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So where the heck is the '23 Escape? Corsair has been revealed and it looks like the next reveal is of the Super Duty pickups on the 27th. I thought the order banks for the '23 Escape opened tomorrow, but without a reveal?
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Ford should be on the hook for your new engines. Research that, stat. Ford extended the 1.5L engine warranty on my 2017 to 84 months. The 2.0L is probably in the same boat.
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On 6/10/2022 at 10:58 AM, jcartwright99 said:
Wondering why the 2.0 isn't included in this??? My extend warranty runs out soon. The 2023 order banks can't open fast enough for me.
Have fun paying MSRP or above for a new one. Bad timing.
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Wonder what happened to all of the Class Action lawsuits regarding this? Bet Ford found a way to stall and get it sidetracked for 20 years like it has done with issues before. I'd be happy with 10/100, not 7/84, since I have ESP for that long anyway. This does NOTHING for me. Figures, and I'm not buying another Ford after this one.
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According to the Detroit News (or Free Press, I forget which one I saw this in earlier this week), the Class Action lawsuit is headed to court shortly. In pre-trial motions, Ford is denying any responsibility for this, claiming that all of the cases either involve vehicles out of warranty and/or have excessive mileage. Sounds like a clear loss for Ford to me. Probably will result in lifetime powertrain warranties, IMO.
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A few folks are suggesting that the indoor photo shot indicates a major revision to the Escape for '22 (and it's needed) and THAT'S what we're seeing.
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Jim Hackett and Bill Jr.s legacies. One was booted and now the other one needs to stay out of it.
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Yep, and a few engine possibility issues aside, it's by far been the best built, trouble free car I've ever owned in MANY years of driving. That Hermossilo plant does spectacular work.
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26 minutes ago, probowler said:
I still find the Fusion to be an attractive car, a good refresh would do wonders for that thing.
The design of it (compromised rear legroom aside) was an outta-the-park , ahead of its time, smash back in '13 and 8 years later, it STILL gets a look. I get questioned about my '17 at least once a month. Thanks for agreeing.
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And look at Fusion sales. In the Top 20 yet again.
Yes, a ton are fleet these days, but they're EVERYWHERE. Dumbest decision ever to discontinue this model (and another feather in the cap for sending Jimbo - take Billy Boy
April 2 (Reuters) - The following are the 20 top-selling vehicles in the United States in Q1 2020, as reported by automakers and ranked by total units. Top 20 selling vehicles in the United States in Q1 2020: RANK VEHICLE Q1 2020 Q1 2019 PCT CHNG 1 Ford F-Series P/U 186,562 214,611 -13.1 2 Chevy Silverado-C/K P/U 144,734 114,313 +26.6 3 Ram P/U 128,805 120,026 +7.3 4 Toyota RAV4 97,631 83,820 +16.5 5 Toyota Camry 77,188 81,684 -5.5 6 Chevrolet Equinox 73,453 88,500 -17.0 7 Honda CR-V 71,186 87,280 -18.4 8 Toyota Corolla 69,214 78,608 -12.0 9 Honda Civic 63,944 78,185 -18.2 10 Nissan Rogue 59,716 93,814 -36.3 11 Ford Explorer 56,310 61,922 -9.1 12 Toyota Tacoma 53,636 58,183 -7.8 13 GMC Sierra P/U 53,009 40,546 +30.7 14 Jeep Grand Cherokee 50,083 57,749 -13.3 15 Ford Escape 48,117 60,702 -20.7 16 Toyota Highlander 47,890 52,621 -9.0 17 Nissan Altima 47,347 51,480 -8.0 18 Honda Accord 47,125 64,411 -26.8 19 Jeep Wrangler 39,668 49,978 -20.6 20 Ford Fusion 36,937 41,683 -11.4with you - off a cliff). Refresh it lightly (but more than for '19) for '22, and a full (NOT new platform) redo for '24. Want 250K in sales for a couple (maybe more) years on top of the Fusion's already healthy sales? Bring the wagon (duh!) and call it Country Squire. Offer it in base (S) trims and above and also a vinyl wood sided option on SE and above. And price it from $27-ish to $40-ish. AWD an option. At the very least, it'll be an instant remake of many movie and sitcom classics. I'd buy one, for sure. So would my sister and her friends and their friends. OK, so the appeal might be to those of us 50+, but we have the money.
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You folks STILL don't get it. The reason for the decline in Escape sales is the nasty, ratty 3-cylinder. A VERY poor value. And it's going in the Bronco Sport too? They're clearly asleep at the wheel.
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On 1/26/2020 at 6:52 PM, akirby said:
It’s only $2500. Go troll somewhere else.Dealers here in Charlotte are offering '20 Escape SEs for $5000 off sticker.
I'm NOT a troll. I went through this for years with a GM forum overpopulated by employees and super fan boys so this is ironic. This site is helpful with the technical stuff, but for like owners with sympathetic ears, not a chance. The good news is that I've found another one where we can bitch and moan together (and they're discussing this very issue at great length) and not be trashed by the Ford die hards, so, yes, I'm outta here. Bye bye arseholes.
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20 minutes ago, twintornados said:
What?!?!? If he did that, he would no longer have any reason to come here and bitch endlessly about Ford.
Guess the plans to buy a Toyota fell through?? <ahem>
I'm leaning toward a compact CUV, in which case I'd go with an Equinox. The Toyota RAV4 doesn't appeal to me as much and discounts are tiny, whereas you can get a Camry, being a sedan of course, for a decent (but not great) price. Toyota just got hit with a massive recall this past week, so no brand is safe any longer.
This site clearly is home to a ton of Ford employees/super fan boys and I'm not thrilled. I think my complaints about Ford are 100% justified. The public seems to agree. The new Escape, which I think is laughable, already has $5,000 cash back. Must be selling like hotcakes (not).
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On 1/17/2020 at 6:12 PM, jcartwright99 said:
And this is one reason why I come here.....information! I wasn't even aware of this at all. I have to admit, I don't look at the coolant level very often but I will now. I was able to find this TSB for the 2.0. This is something I will check and keep any eye out for it. I probably will have them test it before my warranty is out to be 100% sure.
I'd heard that the 2.0L was affected, in addition to the 1.5L in my '17 Fusion. I'm glad I read the TSB for the 2.0. I was nearly about to complain about the plant in Wales that made the engine in my Fusion, but since the 2.0 is manufactured in Spain, the plants have nothing to do with it. It's clearly an issue of lousy design.
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Being super busy lately, I just read through all of the posts from the last 2 weeks on the Escape site regarding this issue.
I also received Fords letter on January 17, one day after I made an appointment to take the car in. The earliest I could be scheduled for is this coming Thursday, January 30. Seems the service departments at all dealerships are swamped. The letter specifically talks about the 1.5L EcoBoost. Says nothing about the 2.0L. Advises me to expect about 4 hours total (and I'm having "The Works" as well), so am bringing a new novel to read. I'll advise after Thursday.
P.S. Ford's name is being dragged through the mud, again. Everyone I've told about this plans to run as far away from Ford as possible. Just in case, good thing GM is now offering me extra $ through my GM Card, ahem.
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15 hours ago, HotRunrGuy said:
I'm not sure what you're so worked up about. If the re-programming helps eliminate even 25% of the engine failures, Ford will save hundreds of thousands of dollars, and minimized inconvenience to a lot of Fusion/Escape owners. My advice to you is, occasionally check the coolant level in the overflow tank, and if it stays full, you don't have a problem, and no need to go thru the 5-hour test. However, if all of a sudden the level drops considerably, take it in and get the leak-down test done. Mine suffered no driveablity problems, and threw no codes, before the low coolant level was discovered.
You've mentioned your dealer is far away. Isn't there one closer that you could go to? The dealer who provided the excellent service on my Escape is not the one I purchased it from.
Or, trade it in for the Toyota you've talked about.
HRG
Well, the issue has to do with Charlotte, NC's rapid and obnoxious growth rate and near-Atlanta style traffic. My closest dealer has a terrible rep (confirmed by many other owners; more interested in his sports teams than his many dealerships). I took the Fusion there for its first oil change and they summarily "lost" the car for 4 hours. When I pulled up, not a service writer in sight. The place I take the Fusion to now has HORRIBLE traffic and isn't close to home (about 12 miles). I bought the car even farther away - about 25 miles; no way. It's shocking how lame Ford service is, generally, compared to Chevy service that I dealt with for 20 years prior. But I don't want another Chevy right now. Truth be told, due to massive sedan depreciation, my car is probably upside down on the loan and I only have 18 months to go until its paid for, so no "Toyota" until then. I'll heed your and others advice and take it in next month. I can drive the other car (a Chevy, ironically) more right now, since the other half is in Africa doing annual missionary work (and why I have no one to drop me off/pick me up). I'm just tired with car companies putting out new stuff like crazy these days and the quality lapses that result. Toyota seems the only manufacturer that can handle it. I'm shocked you're not mad as hell.
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13 hours ago, YT90SC said:
HRG is right, easy things an owner can monitor are low/out of coolant, runs rough at first start, smoke, or coolant that smells "burnt". Later stages of failure will bring #2 or #3 spark plug seized in the head, immediate pressure rise in the cooling system at startup, intermittent/reduced/no cabin heat and MIL illumination with DTCs. Although, sometimes the MIL pops on first and RUNTIME and ECT freeze frame data are both extremely low. Most owners don't worry or notice any of them at all until it either doesn't have cabin heat or the MIL comes on. 95% of the time the pressure test is not needed anyway, it is just final confirmation of the failure.
There is literally NO guarantee that you don't have issues, even at low miles. I've seen them starting to show signs at your mileage. Let the servicing tech do his job as per the FSA wether it needs it or not. It is best to catch the failure in warranty as a minor inconvenience now and have Ford pay, rather than a 6009 that will cost you thousands later.
Most of the time, we insist on doing the pressure test portion overnight so the tech doesn't have his bay tied up during work hours. If it needs further testing or repair, take the loaner. It's free, that is what they are there for. You don't have to go home if it is indeed so far away. Go to a movie, BassPro, the mall, run your errands you have been putting off, or do literally anything else other than sit in the waiting room.
A final thought. I am in no way a violent person, but I would throat punch my writer if I had a 'waiter' for the coolant testing phase of this repair. You don't need the stress of being there and I don't want to put you through it anymore than you want it. I don't need the pressure of having you there. It makes NO sense.
Valid and helpful points.
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2 hours ago, YT90SC said:
The PCM reprogram reduces the possibility for headgasket failure. This takes about a half hour if Ford's servers cooperate. The coolant pressure test is only performed if the vehicle exhibits any of the indicators of headgasket failure. THAT is the "5 hours". This should catch some of them that are on their way out already. WHY are you so hung up on the time it takes?
Because I (and many others) have a lot of things I could be doing with 5 hours other than sitting around a dealership. My dealership isn't close to where I live, so a loaner would be another pain. No way will mine exhibit headgasket failure (bought as a leftover and under 10K miles), so I'll be happy with 30 minutes. An oil change takes 2 1/2 hours usually, so 3 hours. Better than 7 1/2.
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Because they're SOMEWHAT proactively taking action. Apparently, there's no guarantee that this "fix" really fixes it. Boy are a lot of people furious with Ford for the problem just to begin with, never mind the "fix".
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OK, I've posted this in more detail in the Fusion section, but, yesterday I received a notice about Field Service Action 19B37 in my Ford Owner account (apparently a bunch of Escape owners got it last month). After researching this on the "Net (see link in the Fusion post), it is regarding the cylinder coolant leak on Fusion and Escape EcoBoosts. Not only do the tests take up to 5 hours, but some posters are furious that Ford is not (yet) doing a recall. Due to my low mileage, I feel I can wait a month when I'll be due for an oil change. The saga continues...
This probably qualifies for a post in the FMC section (note to Blue Oval staff).
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I just discovered this discussion on the internet:
The whole discussion is not in the above box, so click on the link. This is ONLY an issue with Fusion and Escape EcoBoosts. It is to "correct" the cylinder coolant leak issue discussed in some other threads. My concern is now not with any reprogramming (that would be more of an issue if it was the BCM and not the PCM), but that it takes 5 hours?
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So, I noticed on the Ford Owner site today that I have a Field Service Action for the above. FSA Number 19B37. '17 Fusion 1.5L Turbo. Not sure why it needs reprogramming. And what can I expect after it is reprogrammed (loss of radio stations/settings/Sync3 preferences, etc)?. Not planning on going in for a few weeks yet. Thanks.
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Humph. Just look at those Escape numbers and that was with MASSIVE discounts on the oversupplied '19s. Can't wait to see the numbers for the pathetic '20s in April. Otherwise, numbers are not that bad. Ford is killing it with the Expedition. Until the new Tahoe and Suburban come out; shortly.
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8 hours ago, 02MustangGT said:
I suspect that the USA Escape dash design is somewhat compromised to allow for Baby Bronco to share hard points. Hence the ridiculous separation between the HVAC controls and console.
The USA Escape dash design is probably identical to the latest Focus dash design. Which is why we get cheap. Baby Bronco will more likely have a cheapened version of the Bronco dash.
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