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I just called my dealer, and he informed me there's a build week and a VIN in the system for my Escape PHEV Premium now! March 13th is the target. He seemed surprised; he wasn't aware of it yet. "It must have just happened," he said. Mine was ordered Dec. 14th, 2021, and re-ordered on Nov. 21, 2022. VIN A297xx.
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Yes, my order is for a PHEV Premium. So maybe the delete code isn't even intended to apply to the PHEV model at all? I agree this is quite confusing. I will ask about order guide updates for the PHEV. Thanks to both of you for your responses!
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I called my dealer and asked about the Sirius XM delete. According to him, adding the SXM delete to an order involves changing from "Tech Pack 2" to "Tech Pack 1".
That means:
10-speaker Bang & Olufsen stereo -> regular non-B&O stereo
10-way adjustable power driver's seat -> 8-way adjustable power driver's seat
Gray leather interior -> Gray cloth, vinyl trimmed interior.
I'm not too surprised about the B&O stereo system, but the rest is a head scratcher. And as I'm looking at Tech Pack 2, it seems to include more stuff than just the 3 items my dealer outlined. Does anyone know all the differences between TP-2 and TP-1? Or if the delete creates some weird hybrid between TP2 and TP1? Is there a better way to look up details like this, other than playing with Ford's "Build & Price" website? I'd like to be confident I know the full scope of changes before agreeing to this.
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If Ford can build an Escape except for the Sirius XM module, do they simply build the car and put the feature delete code on the order?
If you explicitly change your order to include a delete code (is that possible?), does Ford prioritize building your car over orders that don't mention the delete code explicitly, when they're out of that module? Or is changing your order pointless, because Ford doesn't pay attention to delete codes on an order?
Every time I ask my dealer, he says he doesn't know of any commodity restrictions on the Escape. What are all of the current delete codes known for the 2023 Escape?
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3 hours ago, Elguapo99 said:
I ordered my PHEV Premium on 10/5/22 and received a message from Ford on 12/1 with a build scheduled for the week of 1/23/23 and a VIN number.
Congrats! You seem lucky to get one built so soon.
I still don't get how this works... I placed my order on 12/14/21, with my order sitting at priority 02 for about 9 months of that time. Is this a "dealer allocation" thing? Can my dealer be low-priority when Ford is deciding who to build a car for? Sigh.
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I don't know about a law, but as a mode of operation it makes sense. You use fewer watt-hours per mile of battery in low-speed urban driving than you do in high-speed interstate driving, and you use fewer gallons per mile of gasoline in interstate driving than in urban driving. So it makes sense to run electric in town and gas on the highway.
I've been driving a C-Max Energi since 2015, and that's the way I always use it. If I'm in town, I keep it in EV Now mode (Electric only). If I'm on the highway, I keep it in EV Later mode (Save for later), so I have battery left when I get to my destination city, at which point I switch back to EV Now. The Auto (regular hybrid) mode on the Energi is useless, since it favors battery operation until the battery gets down to the reserve level used for hybrid operation, which is exactly the same as EV Now mode. The difference is, Auto mode kicks on the gas engine under low-to-moderate acceleration, while EV Now mode engages the gas engine only under heavy acceleration.
The Energi didn't have the 'Use Engine to Charge' setting, but I've long wished it did. Then you wouldn't have to worry about finding charging ports on multi-day road trips. And a feature where it simply switched back and forth between Electric-only and Use-Engine-to-Charge any time you get on or off a freeway would be ideal... You'd be nearly assured of the most efficient operation possible, and almost never have to touch the control.
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On 12/20/2022 at 5:19 PM, jimsmith94 said:
How did you get all of that information?
The list came from the build sheet my dealer sent me, before the order was placed. He asked me to sign it and send it back to him so he could complete the order.
The confirmation email from Ford had only the info that you posted.
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The PHEV Premium order looks like this. We added the cargo shade and the trailer hitch.
U0E0 ESCAPE 4DR PHEV FWD
106.7" WHEELBASE
ATLAS BLUE METALLIC
LEATHER-TRIMMED SEATS
SPACE GRAY
EQUIPMENT GROUP 700A
18" MACHINED MAGNETIC ALUM WHL
2.5L I-VCT ATK I-4 HYB ENG
ECVT TRANSMISSION
225/60R18 100H A/S BSW TIRES
PHEV PREMIUM PACKAGE
REVERSE BRAKE ASSIST
MEMORY PACKAGE
ACTIVE PARK ASSIST 2.0
360 CAMERA W/SPLIT VIEW
WIRELESS CHARGING
HEAD-UP DISPLAY
10-WAY POWER DRIVER SEAT
CV LOT MANAGEMENT
EASY ACCESS CARGO SHADE
CLASS II TRAILER TOW PACKAGE
FRONT LICENSE PLATE BRACKET
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I've passed the 1 year mark, waiting for a '22 Escape Titanium PHEV. It's since been converted to an order for a '23 Escape PHEV Premium. So much for priority code 02... My order is back to PC 10, and my dealer tells me all three retail orders they had for '22 Escape PHEVs last year were converted to orders for '23s.
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Well, I still don't understand this model year roll/cancellation process. I called my dealer last week and asked them to check if there was a private offer. They called me back and confirmed yes, there was a private offer of $2000 that needs to be used by Nov. 30th. The same day I made the call to my dealer, I got another one of the "supply chain delays" emails from Ford, claiming that they're working hard to get me behind the wheel.
So I went ahead and placed an order for a 2023 Escape PHEV Premium. I just got the order confirmation email from Ford a couple hours ago. But how was I supposed to know that my 2022 order wasn't being produced? The private offer would've expired before I ever heard about it! If I hadn't been following along here on the forums, I wouldn't have had a clue. Is it my dealer's responsibility to pass this info along?
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I'm a little lost... I still have an unfilled order, placed in Dec. 2021, for a 2022 Escape Titanium PHEV. On Oct. 3rd, I got the "supply chain delays" email from Ford that claimed they're "working diligently and aggressively to get [me] behind the wheel." But I haven't heard a word about a scheduled build date for the car.
At this point, is 2022 production finished? Have all the outstanding retail orders for 2022s been cancelled, or what's going on? Is there any chance my order will be built? I see lots of BEV Fords on the roads these days, but very few PHEVs... Did Ford build any PHEVs last year?
Will Ford tell me if they cancel my order, or is my dealer tasked with breaking the news? I haven't heard anything from my dealer since Aug. 4th. And then if I have to re-order a 2023, does it go in line behind all the people who've been ordering 2023s since August?
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On 8/19/2022 at 11:03 AM, Rangers09 said:
Your dealer has all the information available 24/7 in the VVR and other reports.
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Although I purchase directly from a Sales Manager, he assigns me a salesman, who provides weekly updates.
What kind of info do you get in your weekly reports?
I called the dealer and asked for an update, and my salesperson said that my order is at priority 02 and is still unscheduled. That was all the info he seemed to have.
He added that the holdup seems to be that it's a PHEV, not attributable to any one feature like heated seats or roof rails or trailer hitch. He said the only Escape PHEV they've ever been able to get was the '21 SEL PHEV that I test drove 9 months ago. They've never had another one on the lot. The only PHEVs they see are retail orders, and the retail orders arrive very infrequently.
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I received a third communication from Ford. First was on 12/22/21 to confirm order placed on 12/14/21, second was on 3/18/22, and now third on 8/18/22.
"As promised, we want to update you on the status of your EscapeTitanium Plug-In Hybrid order. We are still experiencing delays due to the supply chain challenges that Ford and our industry are facing at this time.
Please understand that while getting your vehicle into production is taking longer than usual, we are doing all we can to minimize the delays.
There’s nothing we want more than to deliver your new EscapeTitanium Plug-In Hybrid. We are fully committed to keeping you updated on your vehicle’s status, and will let you know as more information becomes available. We apologize for any inconvenience, and truly appreciate your patience and understanding."
The order has been at priority 02 for about 90 days now, and no discernible progress. Despite Ford's full commitment to keeping me updated, I still feel in the dark.
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I really like the Corsair GT... When it was announced in 2019, it drew my interest immediately. But after it and the Escape PHEV got on the market and I could compare specs side-by-side, I decided to order the Escape instead. That decision is mainly because I have little need for AWD or 300 hp, and prefer to have a more fuel efficient car with longer EV range and lower weight. But I sure do like the styling of the Corsair a lot!
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I ordered a '22 Escape Titanium PHEV in Dec. '21. In May, it got bumped to PC02. It's now been 7 months, with 2 months at high priority, and I haven't heard a peep about scheduling.
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I'm curious how the scheduling works, if a car with high priority (like 01 or 02) is waiting on multiple parts? Suppose you placed a retail order for a car with 2 features, say adaptive cruise control and a trailer hitch, and both are back ordered. Now a shipment of trailer hitches comes in... Ford can build some cars that are waiting on trailer hitches, but they can't build yours because they don't have any ACC modules.
Then maybe a month later, some ACC modules come in. Now Ford can build some cars that are waiting on adaptive cruise control, but they can't build yours, because all the trailer hitches were used up by building a few weeks of cars with trailer hitches.
How does that work? Does Ford ever hold aside parts so that cars needing a variety of scarce parts can be built when the last part finally shows up? Or do they just keep reaching deeper into the backlog of orders and using every available part as soon as possible, while some cars fall through the cracks and never get built?
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So there was some kind of priority changing event, don't necessarily know what, but it's a good thing, and it's not actually something the dealer did... That helps lend clarity to the situation. Thanks so much for the reply!
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On 8/6/2017 at 8:16 AM, ice-capades said:
· Dealer places order into the USOB (Unscheduled Order Bank)
· When Dealer has vehicle allocation for scheduling, orders are scheduled based on Order Type, Priority Code and commodity restrictions.
I ordered an Escape Titanium PHEV in Dec. 2021. Yesterday my dealer contacted me and said the order is at priority 02 and should be accepted soon for scheduling. However, I read the first 6 pages of this thread (it's long!) and I don't see anything about how an order would get set to priority 02. It says dealers enter retail orders at priorities 10-19, and that priority code along with allocation, availability, etc. determine when it gets accepted for scheduling.
So what happened to my order, to cause it to be moved to priority 02? I don't understand what my dealer's telling me.
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Congratulations bredick!
We've been waiting only 4.5 months ago far. Guess we'll settle in and buy some more popcorn.
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I got an email from Ford yesterday that says, "Thanks again for placing your 2022 Escape Titanium Plug-In Hybrid order. While we’ve been busy working to get your new vehicle into production, we’ve run into a few delays.
Sometimes certain features or options can lengthen the time before a vehicle is scheduled for production.
We know there’s a lot of anticipation when it comes to getting into a new vehicle, so we’ll make sure to keep you updated. Once your vehicle is ready to move into the production schedule, you’ll be hearing from us again."
The little status bar graphic shows still at step 1, Order Confirmed.
It's been about 3 months since we ordered.
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9 hours ago, Harley Lover said:
Would you please update this thread with how long it takes to get your Escape? I'm planning to order a PHEV Escape later this year, and I'm curious what kind of lead time you experience. Also coming from a C-Max Energi!
We ordered mid-December '21. We were told 3-4 months by the dealer as well. We got an email confirmation from Ford that they received the order, but no other info yet. I'll post updates when I hear anything.
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You both are confirming my suspicions. Two and a half years ago (the last time we took a big cross country trip) I definitely didn't see enough chargers to think it was practical to drive cross country in a BEV. I'm not surprised the situation hasn't changed much in the last couple years. Hopefully by the time our 2022 Escape PHEV gets long in the tooth, the infrastructure will be ready!
Another thing I find curious about the marketing of EVs in general are the stated charging times. They typically assume the battery is empty and needs a full recharge. In reality, if you drive 10 miles to work and 10 miles home, you only have to top up 20 miles of charge most days, and that's easily accomplished with a Level 1 charger. Anyone who's driven an EV understands this.
But when marketing to potential new EV buyers, it seems like the stated recharge-from-empty times are likely to be off-putting. It would be great if manufacturers had calculators on their websites to help new customers understand the charge times they are likely to experience, instead of giving the worst case as a blanket statement.
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I've been watching video reviews of the Escape PHEV and I've heard several reviewers make the claim that "the Escape PHEV is a good car for people who aren't ready to go fully electric yet." The commonality of the sentiment suggests to me that it's an item on a list of talking points provided by Ford.
My wife and I want to make long (1 to 2 week) trips around the country exploring the National Parks after the pandemic. We only own one car, which since 2015 has been a C-Max Energi. It fits our needs quite well, except its range around town leaves something to be desired, its turning radius is terrible, and the step in the cargo floor is a much bigger impediment than we imagined.
We recently test-drove a '21 Escape PHEV and loved it, so we ordered one. To me it seems our new Escape phev will hit a sweet spot. My wife and I can save money by owning and maintaining only one car, be eco-friendly by doing all of our in-town driving on electric, and still be able to traipse around the country by taking advantage of the existing national infrastructure of gas stations... and get 40 mpg while we're doing it (better than the C-Max!).
What I'm curious about is this marketing idea that, "It's not the cars that's aren't ready, it's you." Is that true? Would my wife and I really be able to own only one fully-electric car and take long trips across the US exploring the highways and the byways, without having to worry about running out of joules somewhere? If the answer is, "Not yet," how long will it be before that's actually possible?
2023 Escape Orders & Discussion
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I chose the dealer based on the fact that, back in December 2021, they were the only one I could find that had an Escape PHEV on the lot. I didn't want to commit to buying a car until I had the opportunity to test drive one. I felt the dealer had good sense, trying to keep one around for people to drive, so I ordered through them. But it's definitely a smaller dealer. I've been wondering if the long delay could be something about dealer allocation because they are smaller?
I've also been wondering if it might be a regional thing? When we were car shopping, we wanted to test drive a RAV4 Prime, too. The Toyota dealers told us they couldn't order them: Toyota had decided not to make them available in the Pacific Northwest for at least a year, and we should check back in 2022 about whether the 23s could be ordered. If we really wanted a 22, we would have to go to California or elsewhere to get it (we investigated, but $$$$).
Maybe Ford was not so explicit, but was actually doing something similar? Maybe they gave dealers in other parts of the country more allocations for PHEVs than the dealers in the PNW? I can say I've seen exactly one RAV4 Prime on the roads, and zero Escape PHEVs or Corsair GTs. Meanwhile, new gas-powered RAV4s, Escapes, and Corsairs are commonly seen.
In 2015 when we suddenly needed a new car, we went looking for a PHEV, and we had a choice of several C-Max and Fusion PHEVs on Ford lots around Seattle. But in 2021, it was difficult to find any, of any make or model. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that things are moving now that we know a VIN, and this will work out in a timely fashion from here.