Robin Hood
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On 2/20/2022 at 3:20 PM, Dog breath said:
If you are leveling your truck look into 2 degree castor shims and have a good alignment guy realign your front end. raising the truck in front brings your castor more towards positive castor. positive castor will contribute to the death wobble. Use adjustable castor shims they arent hard to find for your truck. also keep your tire pressure no lower than 65 psi. I had lowered mine to 35psi and within 5 miles on the freeway my first big bump started the death wobble. after pissing my pants i pulled over. started off again and soon after i hit a good bump and it shook so violent my steering wheel had moved almost a quarter turn. The crossbar on the wheel was at 11 and 5. The only thing changed before the trip was the tire pressure.. pulled into a convience store and pumped back up to 65 psi and all was good for the next 280 miles. when i got home from my trip i installed the castor shims, replaced my steering box and tie rod ends. the wobble really tore stuff up. This is on my 2018 f250 leveled 2".
I find it interesting that this isn't discussed more. It is my understanding that the death wobble is caused by too little caster. So why aren't people just adding caster shims on stock height trucks to resolve the issue? Better yet, why doesn't Ford put more castor into the trucks. The dealerships are replacing the steering stabilizer when there is a death wobble issue ILO adding caster. What is the real reason for the death wobble?
The tire pressure scenario is interesting and it made me realize something. My 2019 with 18" wheels and corresponding tires had a much bigger issue with the death wobble than my 2017 with 20" wheels and corresponding tires. I just assumed it was the model year that made the difference, but now my 2022 with 18" wheels has more of an issue than my 22 with 20" wheels.
This has been one of my biggest issues in deciding whether to level or lift my 22 to the height of the 17 to 19 trucks and level the front. I feel like I need to start with resolving the caster issue first and for some reason know one seems to discuss.
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2 hours ago, Denao_53 said:
I like the idea of better milage, but at what cost:)
I didn't get it for the fuel mileage, I'm just sharing information as requested by the OP.
Yes it cost more, but so does a Super Duty over an F150. The high maintenance cost of a diesel isn't typically a factor until around 125K miles.
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If you go with bags, I would recommend the 7" bags over the standard 5". They do the same work at a lower pressure so you get a lot better ride out of them.
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3 hours ago, Forderorder said:
Which motor / gear ratio?
6.7, 3.55, cc, LB, 4X4, 20" wheel and tire package. I was editing and adding more as you asked. Additional info was added while towing.
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6.7, 3.55, cc, LB, 4X4, 20" wheel and tire package
I just drove my truck, 6.7L, 866 miles, empty, except 3 passengers and luggage, across AZ. Highway, 2 lane, hills and traffic. I drove between 65 and 85, in the gas a lot passing and pulling hills. Dash says that I got 18.0 MPG. During most of the trip it registered 18.2 MPG. I was pretty surprised and happy to see that. Did it all on one tank of fuel and still have 91 miles to go until empty.
A week and a half before, I got around 6 MPG pulling my 5th wheel, weighing around 17K pounds across AZ into CA, mostly freeway driving. I typically travel around 10 MPH over the speed limit. A front was pushing through and I was driving into strong headwinds, pushing me and all the big rigs around on the road. At one point in CA we were down to 20 MPH in blinding dust. It was that bad.
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49 minutes ago, akirby said:
Hope? That’s literally the definition of a calendar year.?♂️ I guess I got a little confused. Thanks for the clarity!
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Has anyone received a PCO for a SuperDuty recently?
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7 hours ago, Forderorder said:
A calendar year ends on December 31st.I hope you are right
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On 2/9/2022 at 7:09 PM, akirby said:
The pin is absolutely not required until you take delivery - there is nowhere to even submit it until then. But some dealers may want it up front to ensure you actually can get it when needed.
"An eligible Partner Recognition employee or retiree may generate up to two (2) PINs per calendar year to be used towards the purchase/lease of a new vehicle for them or members of their households as noted below (see PIN Generation for details):"
Do you know it the two PINS per calendar year is from the delivery date or the date the PIN was generated? Also, is the calendar year January thru December or (1) Calendar year from PIN generation or delivery date?
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On 2/11/2022 at 8:19 AM, akirby said:
But that doesn’t mean the invoice price isn’t useful in negotiations especially if you understand holdbacks.
IMO the invoice is useful. The market conditions will determine how much under or over you will have to pay. With a little homework, you can discover the market temperature pretty quickly.
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Yea, that's relevant!
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40 minutes ago, akirby said:
That’s my point. Nobody has a problem paying well below MSRP a when it’s a buyer’s market (my F150 was discounted almost $10k) but they do t like it when it’s the other way around.I'm in construction and got the crap kicked out of me during the financial downturn. Client's didn't mind squeezing us for every last penny, because supply and demand were out of balance.
I am technically in the service industry, not the commodity business, so it's a little different then vehicals. IMO these trucks are a commodity. For the most part, people ended up getting what they paid for by squeezing that hard. There was always someone willing to do it cheaper and deliver poor quality and service. We found our good client's and took care of them, but they still expected a deal. Things are different today, it's a lot easier to find good client's willing to pay a fair price for good work. No matter what market we are in, we charge what the market will bear for exceptional service and quality. Sometimes that pay is good, sometimes it's not so good. It's no different for any other business...gotta make hay when the grass is green.
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I just took my 22 on a 900 mile road trip pulling a 5th wheel. It had a full DEF tank before hooking up and leaving. Dash said 4000k miles until empty. When I started the truck to warm up before leaving it went into high idle. I figured it was regenning since the truck had mostly been driven around town for the previous month or two. As soon as I got in and touched the brake to shift it dropped the idle. It did this a couple more times on the trip and on the way home the dash warning came on letting me know I had 500 miles until empty on the DEF. Something is not right and I plan to call the dealer to have it looked at. Maybe your situation is similar?
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6 hours ago, Black Label said:
Okay, I'll bite. What is a good price, to you?
A payment under $1200 a month is a good deal. Actual cost doesn't matter in today's society???
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On 2/9/2022 at 7:51 AM, CBears said:
I can understand dealerships needing to make a profit. All the empty lots. Nothing to sell means no profits from sales. All of that said though, I think it is generally wrong to charge more for products during hard times. I know morality doesn't really enter into the business bottom line but it should. It just looks bad to have an MSRP right on the window and charge thousands more.
Does that mean when things get tough and sales are slow that all consumers should be willing to pay MSRP?
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On 1/30/2022 at 11:57 PM, IUEC135ELEVATOR said:
Never liked the LED headlights on vehicles (well, the ones headed in my direction at night)?
They are blinding! On lowbeams on a empty truck they are bad enough....put a load in that same truck bed and the lowbeams become highbeams to oncoming traffic...then there are the actual highbeams from a LED....?
When I would courtesy flash someone to let them know their high beams were on and then they flashed back with even MORE LED TORTURE (or didn't flash back) I would let them know what their lights felt like.....
In these housings I ran Cessna landing gear lights...
on the front IR military housings
(par36 14v 200w spots 10hr lifespan)
On the top KC housings
(par56 450 watt 24v spots, 20hr life span) (yep 24v 2 batteries in toolbox, with isolating disconnecting relay and a sep charging 12v relay, and high draw winch relay to power lights)
You could feel the heat off these from 15 ft away...
Anyway...
You hit me with your misaligned leds...I burn your retinas with landing gear lights!??
Problem is these trucks need bags to keep it level with a load. I don't know why Ford doesn't offer it as an option. Even coming over a hill people think I have my high beams on. And yes...if I get flashed, I flash back!
I hooked up my trailer tonight and almost took the daily driver, because it already has bags installed. I haven't bought bags for the other truck because I have not decided what exactly I want to do yet. The problem with a level kit or lift to get to the stance of a 2017 to 2019 really needs long travel bags and radius arms. It starts to get expensive quick if you want to do it right. Not Fox offers an electronic adjustable shock for road conditions or load. That just bumped up the price even more?♂️
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1 hour ago, mattdm said:
Yes, a lot of it comes down to your perspective on money. Much like you cash to me is unlimited opportunity, why would I give up that opportunity for 2%?
Ultimately it comes down to can you actually afford it. If push came to shove I could easily move funds around and pay my truck off with a few days notice. To me that is enough justification that I can afford it. I also put a large enough down payment on it(proceeds from selling my previous truck and a car I had) that I will never be upside down on the loan, so if plan A for some reason fails I could always sell the truck and pay it out.
?... I would point out that if you need to borrow money on the truck for those"unlimited opportunities" you don't have the security you think you have.
The only guarantees are no debt and food in the pantry. Anything else you are gambling with your livelihood.
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I would think that is an assembly line install, not out sourced, but maybe not. I am sure ford installs the 5th wheel prep before the bed is set in place. It can't take much labor, as it doesn't cost that much.
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Doesn't really make sense for there to be availability thru parts but not for an order. Anyways...Better have a lift if you are going to attempt.
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On 1/13/2022 at 7:15 PM, RCorsa said:
Yeah guy sent me the details and I have him a deposit. No up charge on paperwork or other nonsense additions. Some clown in Arizona wanted an extra 4k in “protection “ that was mandatory. Unreal. Hopefully it will
go smoothly. Painful to spend the $ but hell I made 7k on my 3 year old raptor. Crazy times for sure
I have a loaded lariat or a trimmed down lariat that I might be willing to sell and reorder one if it makes sense for both of us. Both are 2022's with just less than 5000 miles on them. Since I have two I can be without one for a short period of time. DM me. I am in AZ
2022's F350 6.7 Lariat, 4X4 CC LB....
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2 hours ago, 35FordTudor said:
This has been a good read, I’m going from a 17 F250 4x4 crew cab short bed, 6.7 to Ordered 22 F350 4x2 crew cab long bed 7.3 gas. Hopefully this is not a mistake, my biggest fear is the fuel tank. I installed a titan 55 gallon on the 17 within 6 months. I will miss the range between fill ups and stopping at stations that I pick. My DW needs to stop more than me
The 17, pulling our Airstream 28 foot trailer would average 12 mpg. This is between Lexington KY and Sarasota FL, it’s nice not stopping for fuel but one time.
The 6.7 has plenty of torque and pulls like a train, the cost of the maintenance and repairs. (Never had a issue) had me to change to the 7.3, Hopefully I will not regret my decision.
Has anyone found a larger fuel tank for the 7.3, or adding a second tank? I have been looking for real mpg on a 2 wheel drive 7.3 towing, looks like no one has a 4x2 on here.
Does the 7.3 longbed not have the 48 gallon tank like the 6.7?
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camera on my lariat is crystal clear unless it is a low light condition.
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My Weather Tech mats from my 17 and 19 fit in the 22 with no issues. The rear mat depends on whether you have the storage option under the seat. I tried to remove the storage option in one of the trucks but there is holes in the carpet and studs spot welded to the floor to hold it in place.
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1 hour ago, IUEC135ELEVATOR said:
Yeah yeah....? but think of all the DEF manufacturing employees you are supporting!
I can't imagine how big the carbon footprint is from the emissions system and cost to maintain?...not to mention the reduced fuel mileage.
Leveling new F 250
in F-Series SuperDuty Forum
Posted · Edited by Robin Hood
Well that all depends. There are a lot of things the factory could do to improve the truck and for some reason they don't. Maybe crash testing, roll over etc. It makes no sense at all why they don't offer an air bag set up from the factory. You can't put any substantial load in the back with out messing up your headlights and with the LED's it is a big issue with on coming traffic.
I was told the castor range on these trucks should be 3 to 4 degrees and ideally 3.5 degrees. If you correct the caster issue as part of the level/lift kit on a 20-22, it can start to get expensive. I would start with radius arms to correct the caster, then I would need springs, blocks for the rear, and new shocks. Or do you go with Deavers in the rear to eliminate the blocks, wheel hop and provide a better ride. If you put Deavers, then you need long travel air bags which are expensive and a custom setup. To do it right you are pushing $10K without wheels and tires.
Now fox has come out with a electronic controlled shock package. If it works the way it should, it would be the cat's meow for those of us that use our trucks for towing and off road purposes. ?♂️