What will it take for us to have "HAD ENOUGH"?

[gunnut69]

Taxed? You're not being taxed, that's the problem. It's one of the reasons why the economy is at the abyss. The problem I have is that the bill is coming due. You're a big war supporter, it’s too bad they couldn't single you chickenhawks out and send you folks the bill. Three billion is the latest estimate, I think that breaks down to around 6-7 grand a taxpayer.

 

That's the irony of it all, the war loving, free-spending ditto-heads hate taxes, but on the other hand, they run up massive deficits. It's like getting credits cards for your kids, then running up huge debts, and at their graduation handing them the bill.

 

Conservative always berate liberal as tax and spenders. At least liberals had the balls to tax what they spent. On the other hand conservatives have spent more than ANY liberal administration, but instead of paying as they go, being the bitches they are, they left the tab for the next several administrations.

well,the national debt is only important as compared to the gross domestic product.it is but a small portion of our overall economy. as long as that is true it will never be a problem,and history bears this out.remember reagans huge defecits? did you ever get a bill?the simple answer is no.the defecit now will work out as well.

 

since w's horrible tax cuts,tax revenue is actually up,believe it or not,its true.

 

having said that, spending is out of control,and trimding actually has some good suggestions how to pay for a lot of it,if it cant be cut out. i know you think we can just stop the war and everything will be alright.someone was talking about rose colored glasses.......

Edited April 1, 2008 by gunnut69

[methos]

well,the national debt is only important as compared to the gross domestic product.it is but a small portion of our overall economy. as long as that is true it will never be a problem,and history bears this out.remember reagans huge defecits? did you ever get a bill?the simple answer is no.the defecit now will work out as well.

 

since w's horrible tax cuts,tax revenue is actually up,believe it or not,its true.

 

having said that, spending is out of control,and trimding actually has some good suggestions how to pay for a lot of it,if it cant be cut out. i know you think we can just stop the war and everything will be alright.someone was talking about rose colored glasses.......

 

<Yawns> Oh boy, another ditto head.

 

Of course revenue is going to rise, and it's a helluva strategy. All it took was double digit increases year over year in discretionary spending. Tack on another trillion dollars or so this year alone on defense, hmmm, it's like a store manager taking on massive debt so as he can buy his own merchandise at sticker to increase revenue.

 

Let’s see like that storeowner, Bushie increased revenue, but only by doubling the National Debt, a feat not seen since Reagan, who tripled it. It doesn’t matter? The third largest item on this year’s budget is paying interest on the debt.

[unionj]

Taxed? You're not being taxed, that's the problem. It's one of the reasons why the economy is at the abyss. The problem I have is that the bill is coming due. You're a big war supporter, it’s too bad they couldn't single you chickenhawks out and send you folks the bill. Three billion is the latest estimate, I think that breaks down to around 6-7 grand a taxpayer.

 

That's the irony of it all, the war loving, free-spending ditto-heads hate taxes, but on the other hand, they run up massive deficits. It's like getting credits cards for your kids, then running up huge debts, and at their graduation handing them the bill.

 

Conservative always berate liberal as tax and spenders. At least liberals had the balls to tax what they spent. On the other hand conservatives have spent more than ANY liberal administration, but instead of paying as they go, being the bitches they are, they left the tab for the next several administrations.

 

Do you think gas is too expensive? Electricity? Water and sewage? Trash collection? Groceries? anything you purchase?

[Trimdingman]

Taxed? You're not being taxed, that's the problem. It's one of the reasons why the economy is at the abyss. The problem I have is that the bill is coming due. You're a big war supporter, it’s too bad they couldn't single you chickenhawks out and send you folks the bill. Three billion is the latest estimate, I think that breaks down to around 6-7 grand a taxpayer.

 

That's the irony of it all, the war loving, free-spending ditto-heads hate taxes, but on the other hand, they run up massive deficits. It's like getting credits cards for your kids, then running up huge debts, and at their graduation handing them the bill.

 

Conservative always berate liberal as tax and spenders. At least liberals had the balls to tax what they spent. On the other hand conservatives have spent more than ANY liberal administration, but instead of paying as they go, being the bitches they are, they left the tab for the next several administrations.

 

If people would just ignore the government, maybe it would go away. Who cares how much money the government has? I only care how much money I have and how much I can keep from the government's clutches.

[gunnut69]

<Yawns> Oh boy, another ditto head.

 

Of course revenue is going to rise, and it's a helluva strategy. All it took was double digit increases year over year in discretionary spending. Tack on another trillion dollars or so this year alone on defense, hmmm, it's like a store manager taking on massive debt so as he can buy his own merchandise at sticker to increase revenue.

 

Let’s see like that storeowner, Bushie increased revenue, but only by doubling the National Debt, a feat not seen since Reagan, who tripled it. It doesn’t matter? The third largest item on this year’s budget is paying interest on the debt.

 

consider your own net worth as compared to your personal debt.then compare the national debt to the gdp.is the ratio of net worth to debt interesting at all??

 

i agree my response was as much a knee jerk conservative statement as yours was a liberal one,but that doesnt mean its not true.i almost didnt post it though,cuz this shit is sooooooo played out.

Edited April 2, 2008 by gunnut69

[The Sentinel]

The era of violent overthrow of government saw its peak and decline in the 20th century as it has been replaced by social revolution.

 

Social Revolution saw its biggest example in the fall of the USSR but there are many examples even South AFrica's change of government.

 

Any government that is continually restricting liberties and believes in a socialist ideal of the working class paying for the living of the non-working is doomed to this fate. Its a mathematical certainty. Eventually the minority can not pay for the majority and the majority will continue to want more and more. The system will fail and once the majority realize they were better off under capitalism than socialism the government will change.

 

We've been heading down this path for a long time and it sure has been far faster than I ever could have imagined. If you would have told me 30 years ago that the best medical plan in America would be welfare, I would have laughed at you.

 

What it means to us directly isn't a gun shooting revolution type war but just as equally as dangerous and catastrophic. As the government tries to pander to both the tax payer and the social benefit, its deficit will continue to climb until economic upheaval is the result. This means hard times for everyone. Crime and organized crime will increase dramatically and so will corruption. The reduction of civil liberties will increase to prevent the crime but only push the law abiding into being a criminal.

 

You think this is all BS? How many people do you know who are so disgusted they aren't voting or worse so disgusted they don't care about the issues and simply voting for change?

 

Hold your socks for we're not going to have a revolution, we are in the middle of one, a social revolution.

[sprinter]

And what are the so called conservative republicans up to? Spending more of your tax money. I will commend McCain for thinking ahead so he wouldn't get caught in this crap during an election.

 

 

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,345371,00.html

 

http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer?pagena...rts_pigbook2008

 

 

Another attempt to put a moratorium on earmarks — local pet projects slipped into legislation —- failed Wednesday, a day after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi insisted that an earmark freeze was still a possibility. The House voted against a Republican-backed plan 215 to 199.

 

Republicans timed their effort to coincide with the release of the annual Congressional Pig Book, distributed by the watchdog group Citizens Against Government Waste. The pig book details pork-barrel spending and was rolled out with pig-costumed staffers pushing barrels.

 

Overall pork barrel spending went up 30 percent in the 2008 fiscal year and the number of pet projects jumped by 337 percent — to more than 11,600. The cost of all the earmarked projects was $17.2 billion

 

According to the book, the top three lawmakers slipping pet projects into bills are all Republicans on the Senate Appropriations Committee — Sens. Thad Cochran of Mississippi with $892 million; Ted Stevens of Alaska with $469 million and Richard Shelby of Alabama with $465 million.

 

But the 50-page book is filled with bipartisan pork, including a few high-priced luxuries:

 

— $1.9 million for the Charles B. Rangel Center for Public Service at The City College of New York. The project was slipped into the Labor/Health and Human Services spending bill by none other than Rep. Charles B. Rangel, the Democratic chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee.

 

-- $3 million for "The First Tee," a program designed to teach the game of golf to young people. This was slipped into the Defense Appropriations Bill by House Majority Whip James Clyburn of South Carolina. Though The First Tee has extensive corporate sponsors and individual donators, Clyburn said the program "will help make generals and colonels."

 

— $188,000 for the Lobster Institute in Maine. This was added by Maine's Republican Sens. Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins, along with Rep. Thomas Allen. It is said to be a cooperative program of "research and education with the lobster industry." Among other programs, the institute has been working on an underwater "lobster cam" and touts one of its achievements as the creation of lobster biscuits for dogs.

 

— More than $740,000 went to olive fruit fly research, of which $211,000 will pay for research that takes place in Paris, France. This program was added to the agriculture spending bill by Democratic Rep. Mike Thompson of California.

 

— Democratic Sen. Robert Byrd of West Virginia is a legendary pork barreller, and in his list of earmarks this year is $123,050 for a Mother's Day shrine in Grafton, W.V., which has a population of 5,489.

 

— Virginia Republican Rep. Virgil Goode added $98,000 to the budget to develop a walking tour of Boydton, Va., which boasts a population of 474 and covers less than one square mile.

 

As for the presidential candidates, New York Sen. Hillary Clinton is listed as being named on 281 earmarks, among them $390,000 for jazz music at Lincoln Center. The other Democrat in the race, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, is listed on 52 earmarks, including $1.6 million for the Shedd Aquarium in Chicago. The aquarium receives 2 million visitors a year and has 36 corporate backers.

 

Arizona Sen. John McCain, the expected Republican presidential nominee, did not request any earmarks this year. He issued a statement instead lauding CAGW for issuing the book.

 

"Once again, my friends at CAGW have done a great job of compiling a comprehensive list of unnecessary and wasteful pork barrel projects. By shedding light on these egregious projects, they are helping to make Congress more accountable to the American people," McCain said..

[Trimdingman]

And what are the so called conservative republicans up to? Spending more of your tax money. I will commend McCain for thinking ahead so he wouldn't get caught in this crap during an election.

 

It isn't your money after they take it. It becomes their money. What they do with it shouldn't matter to you. I hope that they choke on it.

Edited April 3, 2008 by Trimdingman