Rant

[Flyin Pig]

You fail to realize the impact of insurance and drug lobbyist on your health care issues then

I haven't failed to realize their impact... I've carefully considered the impact of both sides of thought. I don't like either. Which is worse for you? I'm interested in your opinion. I'd like to think that I'm not so pig-headed as not to be capable of changing my mind.

[Trimdingman]

How can what I wrote be considered condescending? Because I said to consider it as if you weren't an autoworker? I only present it that way because what is best for us as a group is not what is good for everyone else. Your first two queries I know nothing about. As for socialized medicine... I would recommend you watch "Sicko", Michael Moore will tell you all you want to know.

 

 

From socialized health care, it is a slippery slope to full blown Communism. Once the government has control over your health, they can extort much more of your money and dictate how you live your life. Health Insurance is bad, but government health care is much worse and costs much more. The low wage earners who pay nothing will always be demanding more services, which the high wage earners, who are fewer in number have to pay for. In the end, it will be Communism. Michael Moore wants it. That's all you need to know.

[S.Knight]

From socialized health care, it is a slippery slope to full blown Communism. Once the government has control over your health, they can extort much more of your money and dictate how you live your life. Health Insurance is bad, but government health care is much worse and costs much more. The low wage earners who pay nothing will always be demanding more services, which the high wage earners, who are fewer in number have to pay for. In the end, it will be Communism. Michael Moore wants it. That's all you need to know.

 

You are talking about people seeking care to allay pain and suffering. I don't know a thing about you... but I know many people with this same opinion that rush to the front pews of their church each weekend. Your lack of compassion for your fellow man scares me.

[Trimdingman]

You are talking about people seeking care to allay pain and suffering. I don't know a thing about you... but I know many people with this same opinion that rush to the front pews of their church each weekend. Your lack of compassion for your fellow man scares me.

 

I don't believe in religion. I look at everything logically, not emotionally. That is the correct way to look at things. You should sign over all of your assets to the third world, according to your way of thinking. The pursuit of absolute perfection will lead to absolute failure. I don't know if anyone else said that, but I just did. You have to accept the reality that no system will look after every individual. The more people you try to help, the more you will harm. There are more people in poverty after 50 years of socialism than there were before government decided to try to help them out. The best health care system is the direct user pay system. That way, prices are set by ability or willingness to pay by the consumer. The natural compassion of individual doctors will prevent them from turning away people who cannot afford to pay. They also have to take the Hippocratic Oath before they get their licenses to practice. The requirements for having a license to practice medicine are such that only a select few elites have them. That gives them a monopoly over the whole business. In the wrong hands, that kind of power leads to dictatorship.

Edited April 25, 2008 by Trimdingman

[S.Knight]

I don't believe in religion. I look at everything logically, not emotionally. That is the correct way to look at things. You should sign over all of your assets to the third world, according to your way of thinking. The pursuit of absolute perfection will lead to absolute failure. I don't know if anyone else said that, but I just did. You have to accept the reality that no system will look after every individual. The more people you try to help, the more you will harm. There are more people in poverty after 50 years of socialism than there were before government decided to try to help them out. The best health care system is the direct user pay system. That way, prices are set by ability or willingness to pay by the consumer. The natural compassion of individual doctors will prevent them from turning away people who cannot afford to pay. They also have to take the Hippocratic Oath before they get their licenses to practice. The requirements for having a license to practice medicine are such that only a select few elites have them. That gives them a monopoly over the whole business. In the wrong hands, that kind of power leads to dictatorship.

 

Three observations:

 

1) If you truly look at things only logically you would not expect to lay indigent health care needs at the feet of compassionate doctors.

 

2) I agree... the UAW should cancel your health care and let you rely on your ability to pay.

 

3) General observation: I imagine with these kind of views.... many of your upcoming summer weekends will be spent in quiet solitary contemplation.

[nvsked]

I haven't failed to realize their impact... I've carefully considered the impact of both sides of thought. I don't like either. Which is worse for you? I'm interested in your opinion. I'd like to think that I'm not so pig-headed as not to be capable of changing my mind.

 

my opinion.... I've paid enough money into social security, to which I'll more than likely never see a dime of, I should have life time medical now. I know I'm expected to compete in a world market, a world of countries, where the members don't have health care cost as a deterrent to doing business in the US. I know the US cannot continue at the pace it is, 16% of our GDP is health care cost.

 

I know the taxes I pay, help support research in medical technology. I know drug companies gain research money from my taxes and then gain patents on that research in order to sell the drugs back to me at a profit, while producing the drugs in third world countries in an effort to avoid "US wages." Free Trade

 

I know I'm willing to look at a single payer system in an order to avoid duplicate cost in health care.

 

I know my taxes help put satellites in orbit, so commercial companies can sell cable TV, and phone service to me at a profit all in the name of our free market system.

 

But everyone knows there are no free rides.... Enough said

Edited April 25, 2008 by nvsked

[Trimdingman]

Three observations:

 

1) If you truly look at things only logically you would not expect to lay indigent health care needs at the feet of compassionate doctors.

 

2) I agree... the UAW should cancel your health care and let you rely on your ability to pay.

 

3) General observation: I imagine with these kind of views.... many of your upcoming summer weekends will be spent in quiet solitary contemplation.

 

1. I was raised under the user pay system in the 1940s and 1950s. It worked just fine. My doctor used to make house calls, for $8.00 a visit.

 

2. I live in Canada under socialist health care. I am trying to warn you people to avoid it. I do not see doctors, even though I have already paid triple through my taxes. I figure that I stand a better chance of staying healthy if I steer clear of doctors in Candada. I pay for others, not myself.

 

3. I plan to be working overtime this summer on the week-ends. I do my contemplating in my morning bath. I contemplate a lot. Contemplating makes people smart. It is better than being brainwashed by some phony preacher, like Al Gore or Michael Moore or a Bible bopping boy-butt buster in a black dress.

[S.Knight]

1. I was raised under the user pay system in the 1940s and 1950s. It worked just fine. My doctor used to make house calls, for $8.00 a visit.

 

2. I live in Canada under socialist health care. I am trying to warn you people to avoid it. I do not see doctors, even though I have already paid triple through my taxes. I figure that I stand a better chance of staying healthy if I steer clear of doctors in Candada. I pay for others, not myself.

 

3. I plan to be working overtime this summer on the week-ends. I do my contemplating in my morning bath. I contemplate a lot. Contemplating makes people smart. It is better than being brainwashed by some phony preacher, like Al Gore or Michael Moore or a Bible bopping boy-butt buster in a black dress.

 

I never heard that before.. you made my chuckle.

[Trimdingman]

I never heard that before.. you made my chuckle.

 

Nobody heard that before. All my shit is original.

Edited April 26, 2008 by Trimdingman