OAC prayer meeting

[Trimdingman]

I promise to stay away from your OAC II church because I am a non-believer. You are all welcome to come to my place. I have no rules. Call me crazy. Call me stupid. Talk about the economy, the plant, whatever. Free exchange of ideas leads to more truth than blocking out things that go against your pre-conceived notions.

 

I see a parallel between socialism/liberalism and religion. Socialists tend to be non-religious, because they have their own quasi-religious belief system which allows no room for any other religion. When someone, such as myself, threatens to cause them to doubt their beliefs, they run. Any type of religion is bad for the mind. This is not off-topic, because I am also talking about unions.

Edited September 26, 2008 by Trimdingman

[fantasyfrank]

I promise to stay away from your OAC II church because I am a non-believer. You are all welcome to come to my place. I have no rules. Call me crazy. Call me stupid. Talk about the economy, the plant, whatever. Free exchange of ideas leads to more truth than blocking out things that go against your pre-conceived notions.

 

I see a parallel between socialism/liberalism and religion. Socialists tend to be non-religious, because they have their own quasi-religious belief system which allows no room for any other religion. When someone, such as myself, threatens to cause them to doubt their beliefs, they run. Any type of religion is bad for the mind. This is not off-topic, because I am also talking about unions.

Good for you...if you don't believe then stay away, you got that right..as much right as people who do believe. By the way, where is "your place"?

[Trimdingman]

Good for you...if you don't believe then stay away, you got that right..as much right as people who do believe. By the way, where is "your place"?

 

 

Right here.

 

There are a bunch of fanatics who are urging their followers to block my posts. Some of these sheep are obeying. They even have the name of this "Devil" as part of their calling cards. I would feel flattered if I didn't feel so sorry for them. The union wants to be a dictatorship, or religion. There is no room for freedom of speech or dissention. They call themselves Democratic.

Edited September 28, 2008 by Trimdingman

[gbg49229]

I promise to stay away from your OAC II church because I am a non-believer. You are all welcome to come to my place. I have no rules. Call me crazy. Call me stupid. Talk about the economy, the plant, whatever. Free exchange of ideas leads to more truth than blocking out things that go against your pre-conceived notions.

 

I see a parallel between socialism/liberalism and religion. Socialists tend to be non-religious, because they have their own quasi-religious belief system which allows no room for any other religion. When someone, such as myself, threatens to cause them to doubt their beliefs, they run. Any type of religion is bad for the mind. This is not off-topic, because I am also talking about unions.

God bless you ang God help you

[Trimdingman]

God bless you ang God help you

 

Do you want to talk about it? Which religion has control over you? Union meetings are strangely held on Sunday, also. Does the union feel theatened by other religions?

[Mr.Roboto]

Meetings are on Sundays because it is the day that workers are most likely to be able to attend (i.e not working).

 

If your union meetings are turning into a religious affair then they should be reminded that the meetings are about business and they are free to air their religious beliefs (or disbeliefs) the other 30 days a month.

 

Seeing you blessed reminds me of the "family guy" episode with Peter spraying the Holy water "The Power of Christ Compells You". LOL.

[Trimdingman]

Meetings are on Sundays because it is the day that workers are most likely to be able to attend (i.e not working).

 

If your union meetings are turning into a religious affair then they should be reminded that the meetings are about business and they are free to air their religious beliefs (or disbeliefs) the other 30 days a month.

 

Seeing you blessed reminds me of the "family guy" episode with Peter spraying the Holy water "The Power of Christ Compells You". LOL.

 

 

For some, union is their religion. At a church, you do not stand up and say that you are a non-believer. I am ok with the union, but there are some things that I do not like. That makes me a pariah to many who are really into the faith.

[FordTrucklover]

I promise to stay away from your OAC II church because I am a non-believer. You are all welcome to come to my place. I have no rules. Call me crazy. Call me stupid. Talk about the economy, the plant, whatever. Free exchange of ideas leads to more truth than blocking out things that go against your pre-conceived notions.

 

I see a parallel between socialism/liberalism and religion. Socialists tend to be non-religious, because they have their own quasi-religious belief system which allows no room for any other religion. When someone, such as myself, threatens to cause them to doubt their beliefs, they run. Any type of religion is bad for the mind. This is not off-topic, because I am also talking about unions.

 

Be careful, the man dwnstairs is good @ placing doubts in the mind and makin u THINK

ur smart enuff 2 understand.............its not toooo late, tell the good lord u believe and

u shall recieve! Simple as that. Redemption can be yours or....... burning eternity.

[FordTrucklover]

God bless you ang God help you

 

Thats all u can do for ppl like this. Life is short, eternity is eternity. I wish

him and his family blessings and the rd to Jesus Christ.

[ViperPilot]

I am ok with the union, but there are some things that I do not like.

Yes, we know. You're OK with the benefits that you receive, just not OK with anything that you have to give up in return.

 

In other words, "it's all about MEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEME !!"

[Trimdingman]

Be careful, the man dwnstairs is good @ placing doubts in the mind and makin u THINK

ur smart enuff 2 understand.............its not toooo late, tell the good lord u believe and

u shall recieve! Simple as that. Redemption can be yours or....... burning eternity.

 

I am glad that I do not live in a Middle East Muslim country. People like you would be ruling me. In the old days, in Europe, Christianity was the law. I wouldn't have to contemplate burning in hell. I could watch it. The punishment for being a non-believer was a taste of Hell, being burned at the stake. Thankfully, to-day religion does not make law. The poor devils in Muslim countries are not so lucky, though.

 

I don't believe in any institution which denies me the use of my own common sense, whether it be a religion or a labor organization or political movement.

Edited October 4, 2008 by Trimdingman

[Trimdingman]

Yes, we know. You're OK with the benefits that you receive, just not OK with anything that you have to give up in return.

 

In other words, "it's all about MEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEME !!"

 

 

We had cost-of-living. I am saying that it was reckless of the union to agree to suspend it at a time of such a financial upheaval that we will be experiencing in the near future. All they have to do is admit they made a mistake. Instead, they are concealing it and trying to kill the messenger. I could live with limited diversions, but without any insurance, what happens if the house burns down, say the dollar loses 20% or 30% of its buying power over the next year. It probably won't happen, and my house probably won't burn down, but I am not getting rid of my fire insurance.

 

Our COLA has been violated. She has lost her virginity. It is a slippery slope now. The second and third and twentieth times will be easier. The queue will extend around the block now.

 

It is not about me, it is about you that I care. What stake do I have in wage increases at this stage in my life? Putting all of this on me and calling me selfish is a red herring. I am obviously right, but you can't admit that the union is capable of any wrong.

Edited October 4, 2008 by Trimdingman

[Edsel]

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Ed.

[Trimdingman]

:blah: :blah: :blah:

 

 

:slap:

 

Ed.

 

 

I can see that you are also unable to even consider the possibility that your Messiah, the CAW is not infallible. They tell you who to vote for, who to believe, who to ignore. They are your religion. Why do you even need to have a mind?

[FordTrucklover]

I am glad that I do not live in a Middle East Muslim country. People like you would be ruling me. In the old days, in Europe, Christianity was the law. I wouldn't have to contemplate burning in hell. I could watch it. The punishment for being a non-believer was a taste of Hell, being burned at the stake. Thankfully, to-day religion does not make law. The poor devils in Muslim countries are not so lucky, though.

 

I don't believe in any institution which denies me the use of my own common sense, whether it be a religion or a labor organization or political movement.

 

No brother, i dont want to rule you or squash ur free choice or speech,

im simply offering a rebuttal and tryin to spread the word of God and

hopefully save a soul......its ultimately ur choice anyway. This is a

forum and if there's anti- religion rheteric (where it doesnt belong

anyhow right?...religion in general i mean) i should surely offer another

side right? Been on here 2yrs and u dont see me shoving my beliefs

dwn anyones throat.........this should stay ford related emplyee discussions.

[Trimdingman]

No brother, i dont want to rule you or squash ur free choice or speech,

im simply offering a rebuttal and tryin to spread the word of God and

hopefully save a soul......its ultimately ur choice anyway. This is a

forum and if there's anti- religion rheteric (where it doesnt belong

anyhow right?...religion in general i mean) i should surely offer another

side right? Been on here 2yrs and u dont see me shoving my beliefs

dwn anyones throat.........this should stay ford related emplyee discussions.

 

 

Well, it is sort of related because I am putting forth an idea that a union is very similar to a religion. Members are asked to have faith and believe without having a continuous line of logic connecting them to this belief. If you want to spread your word, why are you trying to push me away? All you have to do is prove me wrong, and you will gain converts. Conservatives can have religion and also follow their political party without conflict because conservatives do not ask people to stretch their logic. Everything is explained. Socialists and unions come out with statements out of the blue, like "evil corporations", and "mean-spirited right wingers". The members are expected to adopt these beliefs, but a full explanation, or proof is never given. There is always that "leap of faith". A person's capacity to have faith has limits, so socialism does not encourage religion as it could enfringe on them. Communism is extreme socialism. Most Communist countries ban religion, as you know. Did you ever try to figure out why that is?

 

Feel free to talk about anything else plant or industry related.

Edited October 6, 2008 by Trimdingman

[charly]

No brother, i dont want to rule you or squash ur free choice or speech,

im simply offering a rebuttal and tryin to spread the word of God and

hopefully save a soul......its ultimately ur choice anyway. This is a

forum and if there's anti- religion rheteric (where it doesnt belong

anyhow right?...religion in general i mean) i should surely offer another

side right? Been on here 2yrs and u dont see me shoving my beliefs

dwn anyones throat.........this should stay ford related emplyee discussions.

 

 

I appreciate your restraint with regards to not shoving your brliefs. However, please stop quoting the dingbat, I and many others do not want to see his misguided anti-everything posts.

Thanks.

[Trimdingman]

I appreciate your restraint with regards to not shoving your brliefs. However, please stop quoting the dingbat, I and many others do not want to see his misguided anti-everything posts.

Thanks.

 

Moron, this is not OAC news, it is OAC prayer meeting, MY thread. You are welcome to post if you want, but don't try to tell others what to do on this thread. This is a "free speech Democratic thread", not a "free speech as long as certain people agree Nazi thread".

 

You have me on ignore, IDIOT, so what are you doing on a thread that I started? Someone quote me, please so the moron will see it.

 

I don't know where in the hell he is from, but he sure has a high opinion of himself. There are other people in this world besides him.

 

You see, this just proves what I have been saying. This guy is union through and through. It is religion to him. Religion is hogwash. It cannot stand up to scrutiny. The only solution is to tell the flock to ignore any scrutiny. Also, FordTrucklover says that this topic is not to be discussed on this forum when I started scrutinizing religion. He knew that he couldn't win using logic, because it is illogical.

Edited October 6, 2008 by Trimdingman

[davdog]

Moron, this is not OAC news, it is OAC prayer meeting, MY thread. You are welcome to post if you want, but don't try to tell others what to do on this thread. This is a "free speech Democratic thread", not a "free speech as long as certain people agree Nazi thread".

 

You have me on ignore, IDIOT, so what are you doing on a thread that I started? Someone quote me, please so the moron will see it.

 

I don't know where in the hell he is from, but he sure has a high opinion of himself. There are other people in this world besides him.

 

You see, this just proves what I have been saying. This guy is union through and through. It is religion to him. Religion is hogwash. It cannot stand up to scrutiny. The only solution is to tell the flock to ignore any scrutiny. Also, FordTrucklover says that this topic is not to be discussed on this forum when I started scrutinizing religion. He knew that he couldn't win using logic, because it is illogical.

 

It seems to me that a guy who is making $33 an hour as a janitor would have bought into the union mindset by now. Do you really think there is any reason besides the union that you are making $33 an hour?

[Trimdingman]

It seems to me that a guy who is making $33 an hour as a janitor would have bought into the union mindset by now. Do you really think there is any reason besides the union that you are making $33 an hour?

 

Maybe the reason that I am a janitor is because Ford pays janitors $33 an hour. Anyway, my job has been dealt away in return for a promise of a third shift. Just because I am a union member doesn't mean that I am a fanatical believer in everything the union says or does. The union does not control me. They try, but I have the final say of what I opine to be what is right and what is the truth. When I say that in my opinion, the union was wrong about this or that, I may as well stand up in the middle of mass and denounce Jesus Christ. The flock are all over me. They want to shut me up; deny me my rights under the BNA Act Charter of Rights. I am glad to see that because it proves the main topic of this thread.

 

Thanks for quoting me, davdog.

Edited October 7, 2008 by Trimdingman

[Trimdingman]

I am going to vote Conservative. We don't want more taxes at a time like this. Remember what the NDP did to Ontario? Things in Canada aren't too bad right now compared to other places. You should vote any way you want. It is a free country.

Edited October 9, 2008 by Trimdingman

[Brian502]

I am going to vote Conservative. We don't want more taxes at a time like this. Remember what the NDP did to Ontario? Things in Canada aren't too bad right now compared to other places. You should vote any way you want. It is a free country.

 

If you vote McLame you will see more taxes.

[Trimdingman]

If you vote McLame you will see more taxes.

 

Obama would probably nationalize everything. He may take some of the pain out of the recession, but you would be stuck with more government forever.

 

We are also going to the polls in Canada on Tuesday. Our Prime Minister needs a majority in order to be effective. Otherwise, he has to appease the Liberals.

[FordTrucklover]

Well, it is sort of related because I am putting forth an idea that a union is very similar to a religion. Members are asked to have faith and believe without having a continuous line of logic connecting them to this belief. If you want to spread your word, why are you trying to push me away? All you have to do is prove me wrong, and you will gain converts. Conservatives can have religion and also follow their political party without conflict because conservatives do not ask people to stretch their logic. Everything is explained. Socialists and unions come out with statements out of the blue, like "evil corporations", and "mean-spirited right wingers". The members are expected to adopt these beliefs, but a full explanation, or proof is never given. There is always that "leap of faith". A person's capacity to have faith has limits, so socialism does not encourage religion as it could enfringe on them. Communism is extreme socialism. Most Communist countries ban religion, as you know. Did you ever try to figure out why that is?

 

Feel free to talk about anything else plant or industry related.

 

I hope you find your way brother. Politics and religion are tough topics to discuss ANYWHERE

let alone the confines of an industry forum like this. I really do understand your dounts but

the pt is..............u have to understand that blind faith is the untimate devotion type thing

and while its super hard @ times for EVERYONE...the kingdom of heaven will be well worth

it. It will make the beauty of earth look like the bottom of a sewer (and i think the earth

is a beautiful place!). Faith starts w/in not at any organized place of worship or union hall. lol

[Trimdingman]

I hope you find your way brother. Politics and religion are tough topics to discuss ANYWHERE

let alone the confines of an industry forum like this. I really do understand your dounts but

the pt is..............u have to understand that blind faith is the untimate devotion type thing

and while its super hard @ times for EVERYONE...the kingdom of heaven will be well worth

it. It will make the beauty of earth look like the bottom of a sewer (and i think the earth

is a beautiful place!). Faith starts w/in not at any organized place of worship or union hall. lol

 

Where does an Aboriginal fit into Christianity? They had their own religions. Catholic priests visited the remote villages and infected them with smallpox. You can't inflict one culture on another. Religion is a product of a culture. There are many, many religions, but there is only one truth. Aboriginals are not mentioned in the Bible, so when Christians discovered them, they naturally concluded that they were not people, but "heathen savages". Later, these same people tried to exterminate them. How were they any less savage, themselves. Attempting to inflict Christianity, and have people try to change themselves to be like aliens does not improve their situation, quite the opposite. It you take a cat and put it in a cage and feed it clover, it will not turn into a rabbit. My father was like me. He never believed in religion. I did not have it forced on me as a child. I call that child abuse. To-day, I have no fear of any religion or god. I think that I am on the correct path, and religious people are lost. If there is an afterlife, I will stand at least as much chance of being there as any religious person.

 

Many union people will agree with me; however, they are also being brainwashed to believe something else. They believe everything that the union tells them. Every organization has an agenda. That agenda is sometimes to your benefit, sometimes not. To be truly free, you have to be able to pick and choose what you believe, item by item. If you are a devout follower of an organization, you lose freedom. However, these organizations do not have legal power over you as the government does. That wasn't always the case when it comes to religion. People were brutally tortured and murdered becaues they didn't believe. This would still be done to-day if the law allowed it. We now have separation of church and state. Some Muslim countries do not. These attrocities still happen there.

Edited October 13, 2008 by Trimdingman