davdog

Oh please, give me a break. All the years of shooting your mouths off has come back to bite you all in the butt huh? I'll list my pay and benefits, but you wouldn't believe it so why bother. I do know I don't get the day after easter and election day off, yeah sub pay and jsp are out too. While you're at it cola is out for me too. I could go on and on about the things the UAW USED to have that most americans didn't but since they're going away I won't. This isn't any attack on the middle class. You lost things most other people weren't getting but they were paying for them. People keep saying that past uaw members fought to get these things, well didn't you ever think the other side was some day going to fight to get them back? It's about time.

Isn't it hilarious that calling out for people to quit for unfair treatment is laughed at by UAW members? Isn't that how things work in America? If they treat you unfairly you quit and get a job elsewhere where people do treat you fairly. DAMN IT, IF THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE US DO THIS JOB FOR THEIR MENIAL PAY AND BENEFITS WE SHOULD ALL QUIT AND TAKE OUR SKILLS ELSEWHERE.

Damn it!!! If they do this I say we all just up and quit!! They can hire their workers elsewhere!!!

If you're willing to come in every day for 8 or 9 bucks an hour then so be it. If you're not then they're going to have to pay more to get you to take the job. If you don't play by the same rules ford has to when they sell their cars then they will find their labor elsewhere and whose to blame them.

I'll be happy the day the D3 can hire for whatever it takes to get someone to fill the job, you know like the rest of the companies in this country operate. You folks cry about fair trade not free trade but I guess fair doesn't apply to the D3's ability to hire at market rates huh? It's OK though, things are working themselves out.

There is not jealousy here, just aggravation that my purchases of Ford products have gone to things like the Monday after Easter off, or years and years of gen/jsp and basically free Health care. h

oh please, giving up the Monday after Easter, having to pay for medical insurance, having to ride out unemployment on, gasp, only unemployment. I think most of the general public will be ticked to learn that some of the money they pay for their vehicle financed this crapola. And no one gave up anything, it was taken.

They should vote no because the meanies at ford are trying to take away their monday after easter day off.

I suppose that is why a lot of Americans are sick of hearing the loud whine coming from the UAW. All you ever hear about is how ex workers have to work for half their previous pay and how new hires into the D3 can be brought in at half the previous pay rate. The uaw at ford basically came out and said that every production job in the plant is really worth $14 an hour. How would you feel finding out you've paid double for some product for that last 10 years.

"Talking with this same person he also brought up the point that when this contract is up Ford UAW workers will not have gotten a pay raise in 7 years, how many other industries (manufacturing or not) would people still stay with a company 7 years while not getting any pay raise?" only the ones in a job where they were overpaid. Makes you think huh?

And 25 years ago I worked for data general repairing circuit boards. Heck are there even any TV repairmen these days? Swaptronics has been the name of the game for a long time.

He seems to sound more anti-uaw then anti-labor, but maybe that's just my perception. The majority of the country is anti-uaw so why shouldn't his opinion be similar to most everyone elses?

That picture really really hurts. Damn you.

I could give a damn what ford labor makes but Ford deserves the opportunity to hire for whatever it takes to get someone to do the job. If it cost them $40 an hour to get someone in then so be it. If they don't pay enough then people won't take the job. That's how it's supposed to work. If you don't want to be cheap labor then don't take the job as it's a free country and you have choices. What world do you live in where pay scales are set up so people can afford to buy lots of stuff? What an insane statement. Maybe we should double the pay of 7/11 clerks so they can buy lots of stuff too? I was in the Air Force 20 years ago for 4 years so you must be thinking of someone else. It amazes me to think that you actually believe what you are saying. Instead of tax incentives lets just double everyone's pay, that should do the trick right? they'll be able to buy all kinds of stuff then.

My issue is that the D3 cannot go out and simply hire people for what it takes to get them in the door and do the job. I know, I know, I'm rehashing. I know someone will come back with how labor only makes up 10 percent of the cost of a vehicle but who cares. The D3 have to sell their cars at market rate but they can't get their labor at market rate? WTF? If it costs them $28 or $38 an hour to get people to fill those jobs, great that’s what it costs but that needs to be determined by the market much the same as the price they can move a car for is. The only thing that soothes me on this issue is that it finally looks like the market is going to correct things. What really ticked me off is in the last contract the UAW came right out and said the jobs are worth $14 an hour. At least the uaw at GM and Chrysler had the brains to say only certain jobs were worth $14 an hour because the idiots at ford said every production job is worth $14 an hour. How do you expect people to react to this?

What is incorrect in what I posted? Is ford hiring? Have poeple been getting 100k buyouts? Do people get moving expenses and do they get them even if they only have a longer drive to the new plant? Did ford not close a New Jersey plant and have people from that plant remain in GEN for 4 years?

Of course I'm outraged, those could be American jobs if Ford were able to fill them at what it takes to fill them. Those could be some great $20 an hour jobs but we know that isn't going to happen. You've overpriced the product, what did you expect?

Ford isn't hiring so how is the $14 an hour position going to help now or any time in the foreseeable future? To fill a $14 an hour position they first need to pay a $100k buyout to get someone to vacate the position, but then that position will be filled by one of the many people in jsp and along with them comes the 30 to 45k moving expense, they even get money if it's just a longer drive to work. How can you expect a consumer to buy a ford product knowing that some of that money is going to a guy in New Jersey whose plant closed 4 years ago and is still getting paid? The more that comes out the less consumer support you are going to see.

The only real truth that matters is the uaw telling ford they can hire new employees at $14 an hour to do the exact same job that ford presently pays $28 an hour for. You folks are fiip flopping here, is the job worth $28 an hour or $14? No one ever seems to want to answer that one.

So, basically you agree with the union that the production jobs at Ford are worth $14 an hour? Isn't this like my paperboy telling me that "yes you're paying $30 a week for the paper to be delivered and I'm worth every cent, but if you do get a new paperboy you'll only have to pay $15 a week?" What the heck is the UAW actually saying? Are they saying they've been overcharging for production labor?

No concessions necessary, simply allow the D3 to hire for whatever it takes to fill the job. Fair enough?

I'm not anti-union, I just don't see what's wrong with being able to pay whatever it takes to fill the seat. I mean they do have to charge what people are willing to pay for their cars don't they?

I don't think the rest of America wants to set a pay scale for anybody, I think they just want the D3 to be able to hire for whatever it takes to get someone competent to do the job. Holding buildings hostage until you get a little more cream off the top is so twentieth century.

GREAT POST. I'd like to add one thing, why don't we as a country try to solve the problem of US citizens being put, or putting themselves, in a postion where they are forced to take the Wal-Mart jobs because that is the only thing they are qualified for. If less people were to apply for Wal_Mart jobs wouldn't wal-mart be forced to offer more to attract workers? Isn't that the way its supposed to work in the US? Why doesn't anyone ever ask why we have so many people in this country that are ill prepared for the work force?

I thought they were turning to the european ford designs? I love my new ranger but I fail to see what other product was added to the pipeline recently with the money from the mortgage. I'm pretty sure they are just using that money to cover expenses since they are losing a lot of money.