Ford Jellymoulds Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 (edited) What Car? Green Awards 2010 Thursday, July 15, 2010 Overall winner Volkswagen Golf 1.6 TDI 105 Bluemotion 5dr Price £18,685 Target Price £17,507 CO2 emissions 99g/km NOx 0.00129g/km Particulate emissions 0.10g/km Av economy 74.3mpg The overall winner of our Green Car Awards demonstrates exactly what can be achieved by improving established technology. We acknowledge the contribution made by hybrids and battery-powered cars, and we're very excited at the prospect of range extenders and hydrogen-powered vehicles, but at this point the diesel-powered Golf Bluemotion is the best green car you can buy. LINK Best green used buy Ford Focus 1.6 TDCi 90 Style 5dr '08/08 The Ford Focus is good to drive, reliable and environmentally friendly, which proves green used cars don't have to cost the earth. >Read our review of the Ford Focus 1.6 TDCi 90 Style 5dr 08/08 It has beaten off hardened eco-warriors such as the Toyota Prius to be our Used Green Car of the Year, and a look at the numbers shows why we chose it. An official average economy of 62.8mpg and only 118g/km of CO2 emissions means you'll pay just £30 a year in road tax, and if you do 12,000 miles a year it'll cost you only £982 in fuel. Older examples with higher mileages start from as little as £7000, and the Focus comes with a particulate filter, which keeps harmful emissions down. LINK Best green supermini buy Fiat 500 1.2 Pop It's no surprise that Fiat’s brilliant 500 has won this category for the second year in a row. Nothing else in this class can mix such style, affordability and fun with such green credentials. Best Buy £8000 to £10,000 Fiat 500 1.2 Pop Price £9265 Target Price £9265 CO2 emissions113g/km NOx 0.0032g/km Particulate emissions Average economy 58.9mpg Green verdict Everything that a green supermini should be – affordable, fun and easy on the environment. Impossible not to loveThe 500’s chic, retro exterior is impossible not to love, and it’s just as appealing inside, with a cheerful and colourful dashboard. The materials used are a cut above, too, with exquisite details and a user-friendly layout. There’s lots of space upfront, and although rear legroom is tight and the boot is small, the 500 will still take four people and their luggage. LINK Edited July 17, 2010 by Ford Jellymoulds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenCaylor Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 (edited) Why would anyone buy a diesel over a hybrid. They're expensive to buy, expensive to fuel and pollute more. Prius vs Jetta TDI Size (EPA) midsize vs compact Base model cost (Kelly Blue Book) $22160 vs $24,680 Fuel Economy (EPA) 50 mpg vs 34 mpg Average yearly cost for fuel (EPA) $816 vs $1279 Carbon footprint (tons/year) (EPA) 3.8 vs 6.2 Air Pollution Score (10 being best) (EPA) 9.5 (SULEV II) vs 7 (ULEV II) Edited July 17, 2010 by StevenCaylor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted July 17, 2010 Author Share Posted July 17, 2010 (edited) Why would anyone buy a diesel over a hybrid. They're expensive to buy, expensive to fuel and pollute more. Prius vs Jetta TDI Your Jetta is not fitted with a 1.6 Bluemotion diesel which is averages 4 MPG more than the new Prius, Golf 1.6 costs £18,685 Prius costs £23,000 the diesel engine will last twice as long and won't have to dispose of lots of nasty polluting batteries after 8 year that cost a small fortune to replace the extra cost of replacement batteries would keep the Golf running on free diesel for the next 20 years. It had taken the Prius 10 years to sell 200,000 vehicles in Europe (1,666 sales a month), the Golf sold 228,418 (45,683 a month) in the first 5 months of 2010 in Europe. Edited July 17, 2010 by Ford Jellymoulds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenCaylor Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 (edited) Your Jetta is not fitted with a 1.6 Bluemotion diesel You are correct. Our Jetta is fitted with a 2.0 diesel that meets California emission standards. That's the only diesel that VW offers in the many states that have adopted our standards. The non-California (Federal) Prius and Jetta TDI have no difference in cost, fuel economy or power, just emission levels. Diferences for Federal standards Prius vs Jetta TDI Air Pollution Score (10 being best) (EPA) 8 (BIN 3) vs 6 (BIN 5) Here in the US, base Prius is $22160, base Golf TDI 2.0 diesel is $24,809, more than the Jetta TDI. Edited July 17, 2010 by StevenCaylor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted July 17, 2010 Author Share Posted July 17, 2010 You are correct. Our Jetta is fitted with a 2.0 diesel that meets California emission standards. That's the only diesel that VW offers. Non-California TDI diesels meet our BIN 5 standard. Here in the US, base Prius is $22160, base Golf TDI 2.0 diesel is $24,809, more than the Jetta TDI. Thanks for that Steve, Nox is lower on the 1.6 NOx is 0.00129g/km do you know if that would that meet Californian regulations Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 17, 2010 Share Posted July 17, 2010 Thanks for that Steve, Nox is lower on the 1.6 NOx is 0.00129g/km do you know if that would that meet Californian regulations Steve. Couple of good diagrams Jelly, My link **2009 Jetta TDI clean diesel has been awarded the 2009 Green Car of the Year® by Green Car Journal. For more information see GreenCar.com. 38 city / 44 highway real world fuel economy based on AMCI testing. 29 city/40 mpg highway (automatic) EPA estimates. Your mileage will vary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyk24 Posted July 18, 2010 Share Posted July 18, 2010 Why would anyone buy a diesel over a hybrid. They're expensive to buy, expensive to fuel and pollute more. Prius vs Jetta TDI Size (EPA) midsize vs compact Base model cost (Kelly Blue Book) $22160 vs $24,680 Fuel Economy (EPA) 50 mpg vs 34 mpg Average yearly cost for fuel (EPA) $816 vs $1279 Carbon footprint (tons/year) (EPA) 3.8 vs 6.2 Air Pollution Score (10 being best) (EPA) 9.5 (SULEV II) vs 7 (ULEV II) The mileage figures initially quoted for the VW Golf is from the European values not the USA/EPA values. When/if the VW Golf diesel is tested via the EPA method, the MPG values drops significantly due to different test methods. If and when the USA vehicles are tested via the Euro test methods, their MPG values increase significantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted July 18, 2010 Author Share Posted July 18, 2010 (edited) The mileage figures initially quoted for the VW Golf is from the European values not the USA/EPA values. When/if the VW Golf diesel is tested via the EPA method, the MPG values drops significantly due to different test methods. If and when the USA vehicles are tested via the Euro test methods, their MPG values increase significantly. Folk here keep quoting the Jetta not the Golf which won the award here l know they are more or less the same car but l just had look and the UK Jetta does not have the Golf Bluemotion Tech model and maybe thats why the Jetta never won green car of the year award because MPG of the Jetta are nothing like the new Golfs. Nox emmissions on the new Prius are rated NOx 0.006g/km in the small family car section which the Golf was also the winner, of the Nox emissions are 5 times higher on the Prius. Does somebody here know if the NOx 0.00129g/km on the Golfs 1.6 Bluemotion Tech would meet Californian regulations? Edited July 18, 2010 by Ford Jellymoulds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 18, 2010 Share Posted July 18, 2010 Folk here keep quoting the Jetta not the Golf which won the award here l know they are more or less the same car but l just had look and the UK Jetta does not have the Golf Bluemotion Tech model and maybe thats why the Jetta never won green car of the year award because MPG of the Jetta are nothing like the new Golfs. Nox emmissions on the new Prius are rated NOx 0.006g/km in the small family car section which the Golf was also the winner, of the Nox emissions are 5 times higher on the Prius. Does somebody here know if the NOx 0.00129g/km on the Golfs 1.6 Bluemotion Tech would meet Californian regulations? FJM Tier II Bin 5 and California emission regs tabled here Tier II Bin 5 stipulates a maximum of 0.07 g/mile but that's for US EPA test cycles so the Euro 6 pollution levels would need retesting to city/highway test cycles. I recon it would pass with flying colours and even go close to California's SULEV status (Super Ultra low Emission Vehicle). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Jellymoulds Posted July 18, 2010 Author Share Posted July 18, 2010 FJM Tier II Bin 5 and California emission regs tabled here Tier II Bin 5 stipulates a maximum of 0.07 g/mile but that's for US EPA test cycles so the Euro 6 pollution levels would need retesting to city/highway test cycles. I recon it would pass with flying colours and even go close to California's SULEV status (Super Ultra low Emission Vehicle). Thank for taking the time to post them JPD, l will have look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 18, 2010 Share Posted July 18, 2010 Thank for taking the time to post them JPD, l will have look. You're welcome. It can be done but I'm pretty certain that the Americans are following the path of least resistance, clean diesel in the capacities needed are more of a challenge compared to DI Turbo petrol engines and Hybrids/electric vehicles are attracting huge government subsidies along with battery plants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted July 18, 2010 Share Posted July 18, 2010 You're welcome. It can be done but I'm pretty certain that the Americans are following the path of least resistance, clean diesel in the capacities needed are more of a challenge compared to DI Turbo petrol engines and Hybrids/electric vehicles are attracting huge government subsidies along with battery plants. It's more like this: Who wants to lobby for *increases* in allowed pollution? It's a tough sell. In the EU there were probably other factors (for instance, EU rule-making seems to be considerably more opaque than US rule making) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 (edited) It's more like this: Who wants to lobby for *increases* in allowed pollution? It's a tough sell. In the EU there were probably other factors (for instance, EU rule-making seems to be considerably more opaque than US rule making) The 6.7 in the Super duty shows that it can be done but.... justifying $8,000 price hikes in smaller engines is almost impossible. Sure, VW can do the diesel Jetta and even the Golf diesel but at what price compared to a DI Turbo gasoline engine? Most buyers only want enough fuel economy to take the cost off the radar, anything in excess of that is really wasted in terms of pushing a premium price. Edited July 19, 2010 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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