From MN with bitter love

[crowdogg]

I'm one of a small group from Twin Cities Assembly Plant that was hired between November 2006 and November 2007. We were hired under the 2003 contract as TPT's and started at $19/hr plus the $2 COLA at time, with the standard 5% raise every 26 weeks. Never did they play the 89 day game on us, we had got our 90 days and were relieved we had made it without getting cut at 89! When the contract came out in 2007 which began the new entry level wage of $15/hr and restructured the TPT's, we had already got our 90 days so we were unaffected, yet we got lost somewhere in the mix.

 

So time went on and we were making $28/hr, for years, We worked the exact same schedule and hours as "full time/legacy" employees. Then the 2009 concessions came and we gave up our COLA and break time and such just like everyone else.

 

Finally it came to be that our plant closed in December 2011. This small group of what came to be called "Super TPT's" were told that our gracious union bargained for us! The bargain was that since we were originally hired as TPT's nobody owed us anything, regardless of the fact that we had gained 4-5 years plant seniority and continuously worked for Ford throughout that time. They bargained that they would give us preferential hiring if we chose to move under our own expenses and accept employment at a different plant as a new tier two employee as defined under the 2011 contract.

 

WAIT, we've been working for 4-5 years at full scale, completed our 90 days, had benefits, what!? Aren't WE "real" employees, we got our 90 in under the 2003 contract, doesn't that make us "real" employees?

 

So some of us picked up and moved, on our own dime, to Chicago or Louisville to continue our careers with Ford. We lost all our seniority, got new hire dates, wages cut from $28 to $16 an hour and had to go through the waiting periods for benefits again as well as go through the 90 day probation period and be oh so careful, again.

 

How is this right or fair? We would have been the last people EVER hired into Ford that still makes full scale, to still get a PENSION. We were the last people to get our 90 in before the doomsday 2007 contract that began a new low wage and got rid of pensions.

 

This scenario sounds F'd up to everyone that has heard our story. How can you let someone work for 5 years at full scale and then just cut us back and hit the "reset button"?

 

WHO WILL FIGHT FOR US? WHEN WILL WE GET OUR JUSTICE?

 

 

 

[damagedone37]

Has happened all the time in Michigan, they done away with the whole 89 day rule a long time ago ,

You have no case!

He answered his own question when he said he was a super tpt'er

[Long forker DTP FINAL]

I'm one of a small group from Twin Cities Assembly Plant that was hired between November 2006 and November 2007. We were hired under the 2003 contract as TPT's and started at $19/hr plus the $2 COLA at time, with the standard 5% raise every 26 weeks. Never did they play the 89 day game on us, we had got our 90 days and were relieved we had made it without getting cut at 89! When the contract came out in 2007 which began the new entry level wage of $15/hr and restructured the TPT's, we had already got our 90 days so we were unaffected, yet we got lost somewhere in the mix.

 

So time went on and we were making $28/hr, for years, We worked the exact same schedule and hours as "full time/legacy" employees. Then the 2009 concessions came and we gave up our COLA and break time and such just like everyone else.

 

Finally it came to be that our plant closed in December 2011. This small group of what came to be called "Super TPT's" were told that our gracious union bargained for us! The bargain was that since we were originally hired as TPT's nobody owed us anything, regardless of the fact that we had gained 4-5 years plant seniority and continuously worked for Ford throughout that time. They bargained that they would give us preferential hiring if we chose to move under our own expenses and accept employment at a different plant as a new tier two employee as defined under the 2011 contract.

 

WAIT, we've been working for 4-5 years at full scale, completed our 90 days, had benefits, what!? Aren't WE "real" employees, we got our 90 in under the 2003 contract, doesn't that make us "real" employees?

 

So some of us picked up and moved, on our own dime, to Chicago or Louisville to continue our careers with Ford. We lost all our seniority, got new hire dates, wages cut from $28 to $16 an hour and had to go through the waiting periods for benefits again as well as go through the 90 day probation period and be oh so careful, again.

 

How is this right or fair? We would have been the last people EVER hired into Ford that still makes full scale, to still get a PENSION. We were the last people to get our 90 in before the doomsday 2007 contract that began a new low wage and got rid of pensions.

 

This scenario sounds F'd up to everyone that has heard our story. How can you let someone work for 5 years at full scale and then just cut us back and hit the "reset button"?

 

WHO WILL FIGHT FOR US? WHEN WILL WE GET OUR JUSTICE?

DON'T LISTEN TO THE GENERAL OR DAMAGEDONE 37 THEY ARE FULL OF CRAP, READ THERE POST YOU'LL SEE.

[damagedone37]

DON'T LISTEN TO THE GENERAL OR DAMAGEDONE 37 THEY ARE FULL OF CRAP, READ THERE POST YOU'LL SEE.

I'm being honest a-hole.

You work at DTP you know a few of the super TPTers that worked damn near on and off 8 years same bs that happened to TCAP happened at DAP TO DTP transition.

 

[Glow]

I'm being honest a-hole.

You work at DTP you know a few of the super TPTers that worked damn near on and off 8 years same bs that happened to TCAP happened at DAP TO DTP transition.

 

This is also what happened at the people working 4-5 years and NOT having preferential treatment at LAP....yes, they are still pissed that other one tier workers from MI who moved in on them (as they say), and they are still trying to hired in under "any" contract. Super TPT'ers were all the same. Sorry to say.....

[crowdogg]

 

I'm being honest a-hole.

You work at DTP you know a few of the super TPTers that worked damn near on and off 8 years same bs that happened to TCAP happened at DAP TO DTP transition.

Idk if it makes a difference, but there was no ON AND OFF for us. It was constant full time employment. Not even once did they lay us off until they "needed us again". We were there everyday.

[trailfndr]

For the IUAW to allow this sort of crap, just goes to show how out of touch with the membership they are. These bozo's make good money from the membership and screw the worker every chance they get. No wonder so many of us are not only dis-enchanted with the IUAW, we are totally disgusted with their antics. Michigan will soon be the test, the Ballot proposal (prop 2) is not going to pass, and when it fails, the republican legislature will put "Right to Work" legislation on Gov. Snyders desk, and he will sign it into law. When that happens, the UAW and most other Unions are in deep trouble financially as workers tell them to shove it and stop paying dues as they will still get everything the members get, except the right to vote in Union affairs. When the Union has to protect the worker regardless of that person paying Dues or not, the union will lose. And most of us won't give a damn, as the leadership over the past 12 years hasn't given a damn about the worker. Classsic case of you get what you give..

Edited October 6, 2012 by trailfndr

[stampman]

I'm one of a small group from Twin Cities Assembly Plant that was hired between November 2006 and November 2007. We were hired under the 2003 contract as TPT's and started at $19/hr plus the $2 COLA at time, with the standard 5% raise every 26 weeks. Never did they play the 89 day game on us, we had got our 90 days and were relieved we had made it without getting cut at 89! When the contract came out in 2007 which began the new entry level wage of $15/hr and restructured the TPT's, we had already got our 90 days so we were unaffected, yet we got lost somewhere in the mix.

 

So time went on and we were making $28/hr, for years, We worked the exact same schedule and hours as "full time/legacy" employees. Then the 2009 concessions came and we gave up our COLA and break time and such just like everyone else.

 

Finally it came to be that our plant closed in December 2011. This small group of what came to be called "Super TPT's" were told that our gracious union bargained for us! The bargain was that since we were originally hired as TPT's nobody owed us anything, regardless of the fact that we had gained 4-5 years plant seniority and continuously worked for Ford throughout that time. They bargained that they would give us preferential hiring if we chose to move under our own expenses and accept employment at a different plant as a new tier two employee as defined under the 2011 contract.

 

WAIT, we've been working for 4-5 years at full scale, completed our 90 days, had benefits, what!? Aren't WE "real" employees, we got our 90 in under the 2003 contract, doesn't that make us "real" employees?

 

So some of us picked up and moved, on our own dime, to Chicago or Louisville to continue our careers with Ford. We lost all our seniority, got new hire dates, wages cut from $28 to $16 an hour and had to go through the waiting periods for benefits again as well as go through the 90 day probation period and be oh so careful, again.

 

How is this right or fair? We would have been the last people EVER hired into Ford that still makes full scale, to still get a PENSION. We were the last people to get our 90 in before the doomsday 2007 contract that began a new low wage and got rid of pensions.

 

This scenario sounds F'd up to everyone that has heard our story. How can you let someone work for 5 years at full scale and then just cut us back and hit the "reset button"?

 

WHO WILL FIGHT FOR US? WHEN WILL WE GET OUR JUSTICE?

The Ranger was going to stop production in 2007. You should be happy you got to work as long as you did. You were a LTS, you were not a full time employee. You have nothing to complain about.

[Goongala]

I'm one of a small group from Twin Cities Assembly Plant that was hired between November 2006 and November 2007. We were hired under the 2003 contract as TPT's and started at $19/hr plus the $2 COLA at time, with the standard 5% raise every 26 weeks. Never did they play the 89 day game on us, we had got our 90 days and were relieved we had made it without getting cut at 89! When the contract came out in 2007 which began the new entry level wage of $15/hr and restructured the TPT's, we had already got our 90 days so we were unaffected, yet we got lost somewhere in the mix.

 

So time went on and we were making $28/hr, for years, We worked the exact same schedule and hours as "full time/legacy" employees. Then the 2009 concessions came and we gave up our COLA and break time and such just like everyone else.

 

Finally it came to be that our plant closed in December 2011. This small group of what came to be called "Super TPT's" were told that our gracious union bargained for us! The bargain was that since we were originally hired as TPT's nobody owed us anything, regardless of the fact that we had gained 4-5 years plant seniority and continuously worked for Ford throughout that time. They bargained that they would give us preferential hiring if we chose to move under our own expenses and accept employment at a different plant as a new tier two employee as defined under the 2011 contract.

 

WAIT, we've been working for 4-5 years at full scale, completed our 90 days, had benefits, what!? Aren't WE "real" employees, we got our 90 in under the 2003 contract, doesn't that make us "real" employees?

 

So some of us picked up and moved, on our own dime, to Chicago or Louisville to continue our careers with Ford. We lost all our seniority, got new hire dates, wages cut from $28 to $16 an hour and had to go through the waiting periods for benefits again as well as go through the 90 day probation period and be oh so careful, again.

 

How is this right or fair? We would have been the last people EVER hired into Ford that still makes full scale, to still get a PENSION. We were the last people to get our 90 in before the doomsday 2007 contract that began a new low wage and got rid of pensions.

 

This scenario sounds F'd up to everyone that has heard our story. How can you let someone work for 5 years at full scale and then just cut us back and hit the "reset button"?

 

WHO WILL FIGHT FOR US? WHEN WILL WE GET OUR JUSTICE?

 

They did the same thing to all of us here in Michigan who originally got brought into Auto Alliance in 06 and 07 (and to other temps who had been with Ford since the early 2000's from various plants throughout Michigan, they were the people who really got screwed if you ask me) under the 03 contract. It's crappy for sure, but there is nothing you can do about it. People have looked into it here and there ain't a chance in Hell that the company is going to do the right thing and grandfather you guys in at the traditional rate, they won't even recognize your seniority (they will give you your vested time however...big deal right?). Hell, with us they didn't even hire by time with the company, as several hundred got hired in before many of us who didn't start as temps until 2011. The locals take care of their people first regardless of what the company said they would do. It's sad, butthe iUAW is a pale shadow of it's former self. The sooner you come to terms with that fact the sooner you can move on with your career at Ford Motor Company.

[Goongala]

They did the same thing to all of us here in Michigan who originally got brought into Auto Alliance in 06 and 07 (and to other temps who had been with Ford since the early 2000's from various plants throughout Michigan, they were the people who really got screwed if you ask me) under the 03 contract. It's crappy for sure, but there is nothing you can do about it. People have looked into it here and there ain't a chance in Hell that the company is going to do the right thing and grandfather you guys in at the traditional rate, they won't even recognize your seniority (they will give you your vested time however...big deal right?). Hell, with us they didn't even hire by time with the company, as several hundred got hired in before many of us who didn't start as temps until 2011. The locals take care of their people first regardless of what the company said they would do. It's sad, butthe iUAW is a pale shadow of it's former self. The sooner you come to terms with that fact the sooner you can move on with your career at Ford Motor Company.

 

 

I should point out that we all got our 90 days in before the 07 contract as well. However we were all forced to sign 89 day waivers so there was no threat of us accidently working past that mark as we were filling open jobs from all the people leaving to go back to their home plants at the time.

Edited October 7, 2012 by Goongala

[legend]

For the IUAW to allow this sort of crap, just goes to show how out of touch with the membership they are. These bozo's make good money from the membership and screw the worker every chance they get. No wonder so many of us are not only dis-enchanted with the IUAW, we are totally disgusted with their antics. Michigan will soon be the test, the Ballot proposal (prop 2) is not going to pass, and when it fails, the republican legislature will put "Right to Work" legislation on Gov. Snyders desk, and he will sign it into law. When that happens, the UAW and most other Unions are in deep trouble financially as workers tell them to shove it and stop paying dues as they will still get everything the members get, except the right to vote in Union affairs. When the Union has to protect the worker regardless of that person paying Dues or not, the union will lose. And most of us won't give a damn, as the leadership over the past 12 years hasn't given a damn about the worker. Classsic case of you get what you give..

Notice the date on this post-very prophetic on what was about to happen-Bob King did not listen to any of the warnings about the consequences concerning his unnecessary and costly quest to get Prop 2 on the ballot and ultimately have it fail-sheer folly exhibited by the IUAW.

[littlecountry]

I should point out that we all got our 90 days in before the 07 contract as well. However we were all forced to sign 89 day waivers so there was no threat of us accidently working past that mark as we were filling open jobs from all the people leaving to go back to their home plants at the time.

You signed a waiver, end of story, you knew that you were not getting hired full time, so why are you bitching when the company was upfront with you that you were just a TEMP