cecilmeyer

Fats I for one do not believe in the bringing down skill trades pay for my benefit ,never did. You guys have more skills ,went to trade school so you have earned the extra money. I am at CAP and tried to reason with a few non legacy employees. If I am reading the highlights correctly all full time employees will be at top pay after the end of the four year contract. One guy was mad that they made him start over to become full time keeping none of his pay or seniority.I told him that was not right but the temps were not the only ones who lost. We lost our asses in the 2008 concessions. Raises,COLA,job banks ,GIS,legal plan,pensions for new hires,lower starting pay,etc. He said in the future they would vote to cut legacy workers pay and I said so you going to take a cut too because you know you are at full pay LOL. I said so in the future when people come in making less should they vote to cut your pay to have more? He was saying the UAW should strike and that way we would get a much better contract. I said look at GM they were out for almost 2 months for plant closings and guess what ,they came back to work and those plants are still closing and GM told them to expect 3k less on your profit sharing. So basically they financed their own strike which ended in failure. He said the UAW would be behind them all the way. I said really? Who do you think brought this contract to us and why are they recommending it OMG! If they really cared about the GM strike they would have raised the strike pay up to at least $800.00 a week so people would not get starved out. But they did not do that did they? These guys are getting charged left and right with stealing money from us so who's side do you really think they are on ours or the companies? Look I am a Union guy and a believer in Unions but our Union officials are not directly elected by us so we cannot do shit to these guys and they know it that is why these contracts are basically a wash in the sense we are not really making any big gains or getting what we lost back just treading water! What is funny at CAP and I am sure we are not unique is that these workers actually think we have Ford over a barrel and they are really scared and cannot run without us LOL. Until ALL workers unite and I mean All of us, Unions grow exponentially and the trade laws change the rich and powerful are in complete control. I will fight for a cause when I have to and when I know I have a very good chance of winning but we workers cannot beat these guys at this time. They are in COMPLETE control of the banks,trade laws,labor laws,energy production,food production,etc. I have over 31 years and have been through a plant closure, lots and lots of layoffs. They offered 60k for me to leave. I wish it would have been the 70 like last time but hey how much does Taco Bell are Home Depot give you when You retire?.....NOT SHIT!!!! I am taking the money and running out of there as fast as they let me sign up. Hell if they told me the day I sign up you have to go today I would ask " Can I at least get my lunch box and backpack first? But then again if you want that you can have that too ......I JUST WANT THE FLYING FUCK OUT!!!!!!!!!!!I have had enough!!!!! UNCLE,UNCLE, UNCLE!!!!! I hope this contract passes and yes I voted YES. Too bad over half of my plant did not even bother to take the time to vote but will surely take the time to bitch about how we are getting screwed to take 9k just to go back to work!

CAP vote 1497 NO 913 YES Skilled trades 117 Yes 102 NO

Take from salary to give to the UAW?? WTF are you talking about? What about how salary assholes get a bonus when they eliminate line workers jobs and pile that work onto other line workers? No its the GREEDY salary and management that will put the big 3 out of business. Funny I do not remember the UAW have a fleet of private jets and 20mil + salaries. Hey salary asshole its the factory workers that actually do the work while you sit on your ass bitching and get paid for it.

I am not retired but hope to be in the next few months depending on when Ford will allow us to leave and get our incentive. My question does VEBA pick up what Medicare does not cover or do you still have to buy the extra insurance plans like a-j or whatever they are? I have not quite looked into them yet

My personal opinion and mine alone. The lawsuit will not make one bit of difference. Why would the membership vote the contract down because those crooks are stealing money? Hell I am surprised it was not worse considering the people negotiating it. Until the trade laws change and all the auto plants are Unionized we will have no power to do much of anything. Look at the strike at GM they lost all that money and gained nothing. The only way for the working class to win is that ALL working people go on strike not just autoworkers. I mean steelworkers,construction,transportation,sanitation ditch diggers etc. So until that happens the rich and corporations will continue to win by divide and conquer.

Sorry Fats I gotta go LOL . Ford ran just fine before I got there and will run just fine after I am gone! I have 31 and some change. My career at Ford has been rough at best with my former plant closing. Time to go back home to our families in Missouri. Your seniority will go way up so do some bidding. I am a weld inspector at CAP so we are going to need at least 4 or more new ones.

Retirement Incentive: A $60,000 bonus for all production employees and up to 200 skilled trades workers who retire as determined under the normal and early retirement provisions of the agreement.

Right behind ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just give me a little cash to to and I am GOOOOOOOOOOOONE!!!!!!!

"All that and maybe I will drop my insistence that Mary Barra swing around a pole to the tune 'Funky Town',down at the union hall". .....that would be a sight to see LOL

Agreed.

No I was not wrong and I have learned something ....you are a real arrogant asshole

We will see very shortly.

READ THE HIGHLIGHTS the numbers are separated. The workers at the plants closing are getting more 75k versus 60k.

I am not salary but you act like one on this forum. Looks like you are just a hater because you do not have enough time for a buyout package LOL. Wrong last buyout nobody in production was turned down only skilled trades not production. Are you always a wise ass know it all?

"Labor observers said key to making a contract deal work for the other two companies will require looking at the small print and how to slow down the growth of labor costs, which could mean incentives for older more costly workers to retire so that they’re replaced by cheaper labor, and other strategies". A quote from Freep just like I told you. You sure you have been an auto worker for 25 years?

Good for you! At least is was not a necessity.

Unless you need the job to finish out your retirement stay where you are. You will regret it if you come here. I came from St Louis Assembly. This place is terrible and I have been here about 16 years. Just waiting on this contract then I am GOOOOOOOONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I smell an excuse to shut CAP. And please tell just how much Ford needs CAP and how Chicago has Air rail and water infrastructure so they will never close CAP. I say this as a transfer from a plant that would never close LOL

You sure you are not salary LOL? People not showing up? What else is new? Been that way since I hired in. You are wrong about the GM contract. Its 2000 hourly plus the people at the plants being shutdown that is many workers,at least 5600. Plus over half of the buyouts last contract at Ford went unused. We will see but my bet is you are wrong on many of the things you have said. Why would they give 40 year plus people buyouts? It is pretty obvious they are not leaving for any kind of buyout since they had at least 4 contracts to do so.

With someone with 25 years you know better about the buyouts. They will never stop until all or most legacy are gone. Why would Ford want some legacy person staying making more money, adding to their defined pension and better benefits all the way around. They can hire someone new for 1/3 of the cost. Plus the Union takes over legacy workers medical. That alone is 20k a year. I have over 30 years the buyouts have been happening for a least 15 years I know of. They will never stop till Legacy workers are gone. They will run us all out after a another contract or two.

Like they did 31 years before I got there.....just fine!!! But thanks for the vote of confidence!

Last time Fords retirement offer was 70k. Gm's was 60k. GM also has a limited number 2000 for the retirement package. Ford last contract made it available to all hourly and some skilled trades. If its 70k like last time Im gone.....Im gone no matter what LOL . Time to make way for the youngsters! The time period gives me chills. Be out starting Dec 31st. What a Christmas present!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She already has made more money than most of will in a lifetime.....besides who would pay to see her swinging from a pole????????