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    Ford isn't scoring any points

    this (many years ago) used to be a great thread...does anyone at ford even reply in here anymore? the covid bs/intentional shipping logjams at ports/intentional labor shortages by rewarding the lazy-shutting down businesses during covid over things known now to have been useless will spin into a devolving political mess unneeded- but whatever: Fords customer service is SAD. my buddies Bronco showed up yesterday- 1.5 years hes waited. it was built 3/28, confirmed completed, just awaiting a hauler...it showed up, but the online tracker still says 'awaiting shipment. come on- the system absolutely knows where this stuff is at and why. get some first year IT kid to fix access to it. fedex can track a envelope, ford makes status of 70k+ trucks top secret or simply 'noone knows'... I really cant picture a taco bell employee out there with a notepad and pencil paper looking thru the sea of trucks to find one, know what I mean? its in the computer system, its not lost. as for build quality, its backpedalling a bit. when the 15 f150s came out at the auto show, i nit picked the hell out of them, sent a 'book' of photos to ford- even got a reply from Mark Fields himself and a call from his secretary LOL- and the next year the auto show trucks were perfect though, after seeing a couple years of good things, got a 19 lariat, and its the finest vehicle ive ever had- still is, even though ive got a 2 week old 22 lariat too the 22, the roof seams are showing ecoat(thin to non existent paint) the drivers rear cab corner sticks out 1/2" past the bed- bed or cab aint centered on the mounts...drivers rear door requires slamming to get it to fully close- just little fitting issues...bodywise, the inner side edges of the tailgate though- uggh...jagged/cracked/look like the auto show trucks from 15 again...yeah its not a visible surface, but if you snag a rag or cut yourself trying to clean it, it wont be a 'good job ford' moment... i dunno where the answer lies, but without quality at the forefront, and without actual customer service, fords committing suicide. ive always been a ford guy, but honestly dont love this 22 lariat any more than our 98 windstar new... the 19 was a perfect truck, paint/fit/finish/materials... the 22 has iffy things that will need addressed- and the thought of dealer paint repairs scares the hell out of me- the 22 leather wheel has whats gotta be the cheapest leather on the planet- it might be cardboard from the feel of it, just goofy little gripes that were not there till the newest model...it might cost the most by a lot, but isnt the best...sorry. it will be my last new F150 though, might even dump it and look for another 19 lariat- that 19 is just about a impossible truck not to love- the team that packaged that one all earned a well deserved pat on the back... 2 years into the all new model though, still seeing paint/finishing/assembly issues- combined with poor material on the steering wheel (that may actually be a covid thing- but i still suspect a beancounter thing was behind it, as the quality of the leather seats IS perfect). trying to love this 22, but its just lacking. yeah, more power in the 3.5- but they dicked with the perfection that was the noise csancellation/engine sound enhancement the 19 had, now the 22 sounds like a sewing machine unless you really step on it- the 19 had a soft v8 sound and exceptional muting of the quite noisy 3.5 clatter... shame they went backwards
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    f150 suggestions

    just got a 22 lariat 3.5 a couple weeks ago, have a 19 lariat 3.5 also... I drove the 19 yesterday for first time since getting the 22, and gotta say a couple things... the most touched parts when driving are the steering wheel and shifter. the leather in the 19 is 'grippy', like most leather wheels, kinda shiny, almost squeaks when your hands grip it...the 22 leather feels like cardboard. the shifter in the 19 isnt the best i've ever had, but its a great ergonomic layout - drive modes/manual mode/shift buttons- everything feels 'right'... the 22, they moved the 'mode' button to the dash, gotta let go/look away...they moved the 'manual' button from a detent, to a flat button- again, gotta move hand/look away...the +/- buttons are above/below, requiring you to lift your hand kinda awkwardly to hit the + button... worse yet the motorized thing feels flimsy compared to the 19. those are big 'feel' things to a driver- yes it iS a great driving truck, and has a lot of improved features - but theres a lot of great driving vehicles out there...the 19 is a better feeling truck in comparison though if just driving down the road looking out the windshield...the doo-dads are nice, but the steering wheel/shifter you actually drive with, deserved quality materials at least equal to the late models... those are actual 'feel' items to a driver- but along with the incredible torque curve of the 3.5 in lariat-up trim, the '19 had a extremely effective active noise cancellation/fake engine noise feature that really completed the 'feel' - driving, it feels and sounds like a old bigblock, ... the 22? the thing sounds like a XLT 3.5 at light throttle...piston slap, near 'knock' racket that is a necessary evil companion that comes from a loose fitted high boost aluminum motor...the 22 lariat is not a pleasant sounding vehicle from the drivers seat at light throttle...the 19 was incredible- still a little engine rattle, but nothing compared to the 22- which seems odd as the 22 has extra door seals/less highway wind noise, but sounds as if there is no insulation under the carpeting- hit a puddle in the 22 it sounds like a pressure washer, in the 19 its quiet. tried turning off the fake engine noise in both, they are comparable, both sound like my kids 19 XLT did- after he drove my 19 for a week on vacation, he hated his XLT so bad he turned in his lease and bought a loaded 19 lariat, mostly because of the sound making it 'feel stronger' in everyday driving. "for a extra hundred a month, I can drive the truck I always wanted" was his logic, and due to the market, he didnt get beat up on the lease he turned in please- consider next OTA update to these trucks- to add on/off for fake engine noise for those who dont want it- and the 19 sound profile- the weak one in the 22 is horrible unless youre into the throttle, even then its kinda weak. its a silly thing to complain about unless you have actually driven both- it changes the 'feel' from the drivers seat same as a full exhaust would...just because it dont attract attention on the outside, dont mean it cant sound better inside.the 22 is not the nicest 150 in the driveway. I have been putting 'leather honey' on the 22s wheel, its beginning to soften up after a few applications, but still has no 'gloss' and sounds like cardboard as it slides under your hands, but is a little better. leather on the shifter seems much better quality than on the wheel, it actually feels better now- just still oddly laid out in any event gotta say, nice as it is- kudos on the dash, materials, automated features for sure- that going back to the 19 after a couple weeks, the feel of the steering wheel/shifter/sound of actually driving it vs pushing buttons on the nice big screen, that the 19 is a better truck from the drivers seat. only 'oops' in the 19 was the lack of heated wheel button- always hated having to look 3 menus deep or on/off the radio to get a button to pop up- they did address that in the 22 with a button you can get to easily by feel, so thanks for that one heres the 4 in the family- younger sons red 3.5 xlt, my white 19 3.5 lariat, my space white 22 lariat sport, older sons ingot silver 19 lariat 3.5 he bought used after getting rid of his leased blue xlt 3.5- the white and the silver trucks sound awesome to drive, the red xlt and space white sound like a darn V6, even with that incredibly addictive torque curve of the 3.5 red xlt will be gone soon as son's 2.7 bronco shows up- his biggest concern on the bronco was that it would have the fake engine sound too, as he is also no longer a fan of the sound of his 3.5 without it... crazy, my kids have done pretty well all on their own, having vehicles nice as these at their ages...destined to be car poor ford fans too I guess
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    Plastic Wheel Covers!

    but the chrome cladding is on the plastic, the plastic is glued on the wheel 'glue clad aluminum wheels' or 'chrome clad wheel covers' would be more accurate. I have seen some with the lips corroded, but its not THAT visible- and they require about zero maintenance, compared to polished aluminum... I know they are that way as a durable/inexpensive option to aluminum wheels, but also know a few guys that bought what they thought were all aluminum wheels, didnt realize they were plastic till pointed out...there was a srt chrysler wheel that was a 100% machined gorgeous cold forged/durabrited aluminum, got replaced by what looks identical- but its a chrome plastic wheelcover glued to a far, far cheaper cast wheel...most buyers will never know the difference, long as its shiny... truth be told, bet that 5 axis machined, cold forged wheel cost at least ten times more to produce, yet bet the option price probably didnt drop more than a few percent... its all good unless somebody wrecks one- cast breaks, forged bends... but they all look shiny if folks knew the difference between forged and cast wheels, I truly think many would pay the extra... but as long as they dont know, and manufacturers can sell 'premium' hyped wheels of the lesser material at or near the same cost, the cast/clad wheels will keep coming. seriously, I bet a cast/clad wheel could be made/delivered profitably for under 30 bucks, and a similar looking fully machined forged wheel would barely break even at 300... and a dealer might retail 500 for either. but say a driver hits a curb at speed, the forged aluminum wheel will bend like a steel one would, where the cast one might look like this:AMfront1 by ford4v429, on Flickr
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    Plastic Wheel Covers!

    I agree- the 'chrome clad' name is intentionally misleading... maybe most folks just need to be more wary before purchasing, but still, you see a nice shiny chrome aluminum wheel, bet 90 out of 100 general car shoppers wouldnt guess they would be getting a chromed plastic hubcap glued permanently to a aluminum wheel. we made clad wheels for a while, some were actually a beautiful forged wheel underneath- just cheeper to glue a plastic hubcap on than invest all the time in polishing.
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    auto show paint defects

    both mustang convertibles were 'sealed' this way under the trunklid- fastbacks were good on this seam, verts, sloppy as hell... vert seam1 by ford4v429, on Flickr
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    auto show paint defects

    corrosion under fender bolt? new F150 f150 bubblingsmall by ford4v429, on Flickr
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    auto show paint defects

    Y shaped crack in inner door panel? king ranch crack in doorsmall by ford4v429, on Flickr
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    auto show paint defects

    gaps in sealing aluminum hem edge- new F150 kingranch vinsmall by ford4v429, on Flickr
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    auto show paint defects

    dirt under paint- brand new aluminum F150 kingranch dirt-pinholesmall by ford4v429, on Flickr
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    auto show paint defects

    I'm talking assembly as in crimping the two stampings together- I would assume sealant is applied right after crimp to prevent corrosion where the folded edges meet/likely cut thru any surface treatments. I never actually thought about hoods being shipped as already crimped assemblies sealed or not, to AAI... maybe. still in my opinion had the edges been sealed fully, they never woulda corroded. I have yet to see a picture that showed corrosion STARTING where the edge was properly sealed- they always start in unsealed areas, then it races under the paint in every direction...had they sealed the full perimeter properly (unlike last years auto show pics that showed they sealed outside the seam edges in multiple places achieving nothing...) we would not have seen any more hood issues than the other 99% of the cars on the roads...instead we are seeing the majority of mustangs having paint failures on the hoods. with what I took pictures of on the auto show F150s, I predict in 2~3 years theres going to be a flood of unhappy Ford customers. Fords seam sealing is the sloppiest/most random on the market from what I saw. I just want them to do better. there was a F350 duallie at the show that every seam was sealed nicely on, it was finished 'right' to my nit-picking/corrosion hating eyes... the F150s were a freaking mess...jagged edges, some sealed, some not, dirt under paint, corrosion around fender bolts- come on- these are 40-60 thousand dollar vehicles. hats off to whatever plant built that F350- shouda got the vin to find the assembly location and sent them a 'good job' comment card... the F150? in my opinion final assembly QC needs serious retraining on what a acceptable ceanliness/sealing/paint process looks like on most other makes. I'm a Ford guy, have been all my life- but the quality of sealing/painting work being done on the F150 wouldnt fly in china. If enough of us bitch, they will do better. share pics, I'm gonna start putting them on chevy forums too. make a big enough stink, get folks to start looking at edges when they open a door or hood, guarantee you within a year or two we wont see any more jagged/missed/cracked/unpainted/tape painted to/dirt under the paint type of thing anymore. ford guy or not, I'm gonna be a vocal thorn in their side till they get these vehicles as good as the rest on the market. sorry, but when I had to scrape bubbled off paint from my 4 mile 2009 mustang hood last fall, it broke something... when my 06 went, when the wifes 07 went...didnt bug me THAT bad- but that 09 has only seen water twice - it is just totally fucking wrong that Ford has been sticking good customers with 'unfixable' problems due solely to shoddy panel assembly processes. I will absolutely DEMAND better before I ever buy another- I know Ford CAN do it, if it costs them a extra nickle or a extra fifty bucks a car to do it correctly I could care less. I buy cars to keep a long time and not to watch properly cared for factory based paint bubble off after 2-3 years(or ten for that matter). the mustang hood paint problem was/is bullshit- from what I see they might well be committing business suicide on the F150. look at the pics- this aint good enough guys...
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    auto show paint defects

    two taurus on display have same issue 4 of 6 had at last years auto show- there is a racking issue on the line... http://themustangsource.com/forums/f739/bubbling-hood-paint-ugh-507379/index19/#post6905784
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    auto show paint defects

    new F150 mustang-hood-like paint bubbling starting at hood bolt- other 4 on display were ok http://themustangsource.com/forums/f739/bubbling-hood-paint-ugh-507379/index19/#post6905773
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    auto show paint defects

    crack in the aluminum inner door on a 60K king ranch at the auto show, and of course, more dirt under the paint... http://themustangsource.com/forums/f739/bubbling-hood-paint-ugh-507379/index19/#post6905771
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    aluminum corrosion- any progress?

    a buddy at work has a 'beater' Miata he drives year round, not a trace of blistering on his either... seems like some trucks/models it started in the late 90s, but others never had it at all- Mustang from 2005-current have been terrible though- this is what makes me believe its more of a line/process issue than a materials issue...if Ford used 6061 for some/2024 for others, that would explain a lot- but again, why wouldnt they have simply corrected the alloy at the next part revision? on the dirt/contamination thing, I really still believe it is undeniably poor prep- when you can see dirt/burrs/wires sticking out of the paint under the hood of a brand new high-end Boss302, its painfully obvious the paint line inspection never looked or just ignored it... if the dirt wasnt wiped off, whats the odds any oils were? again though, my biggest beef is brand new cars going out the door after final looked them over and noone saw these hoods- or it was deemed acceptable. if acceptable, the QA decision making guys need canned, if unacceptable, the line guys do- either way these brand new cars with screwed up paint, on a part with a well documented failure trend is just pathetic. look at ANY hyundai and 99% of the toyotas at the next auto show, look closely at the hood/door hems, roof/bodyside seams, etc, then go look at Ford- Hyundai is consistently perfect, ford is the worst of all brands ive looked at...great products, but front and center the paint is sloppy, and certain models, the paint will fail in areas that should be the LAST places you'd see corrosion on a car. my 4 mile 2009 mustang has only been exposed to water twice in the last 6 years, the raw aluminum engine block doesnt show any of the typical corrosion that occurs on bare cast aluminum, but the hood paint started bubbling up underneath with white powdery corrosion this fall? somewhere along the line, Ford has dropped the ball for a decade now. if the new F150 shares whatevever process flaw is causing 2005-2014 Mustang hood failures (material type/prep procedures/tooling/sealing/painting) they will deserve the results. Either they know how to fix it (and did nothing) or they dont think its a issue (long as they arent typically noticed till warranty expires). the auto show pics i got this year included VINs which ive posted several places- eventually carfax or something will pick them up- in a few years when these vehicles are denied warranty (99.9% of folks dont even look underhood anymore- let alone inspect the hood seams- until the surface bubbles up and they find it propagated from the underside) and someone stumbles onto pics of their new car sitting at the auto show with the problem...
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    aluminum corrosion- any progress?

    seven years later though... the 2014s pictured were brand new Fords with dirt and 'stuff' under the paint... I understand where you are coming from though, the problem likely still resides with the hood assembly itself- Ford said 'iron contamination' years ago, but its still happening (assume they corrected/eliminated that), where I still think its due to a sharp edge crimped against a panel with no seam sealer/no way to seal between the layers...some new mustangs (boss 302/possibly others) DID have seam sealer applied, but as the pictures show, the sealer was applied improperly, missing the edges leaving gaps for water to still get in. I still worry if the all aluminum F150 is assembled with similar care to the mustang aluminum hood (unclean before paint/seam sealer misapplied leaving seams exposed) we will be seeing issues on the '15 trucks within a year or two. if the current process flaws havent been addressed a decade into the model, I have little confidence they wont appear elsewhere. 6061 has been around since the 30's, wondering (hoping) some other crap alloy was used on Mustang... is there anyone here at ford tha can find out the actual '15 alloy (reports say '6000 series', but gotta assume its good old 6061) and what alloy was used on 2005-2014 mustangs and others? really doubt junky 2024 alloy woulda been used, but who knows?
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