Dadzee

C520- Escape, has been bumped to April.

Well Done!

Jobs are not coming out of Mexico. The US plant will simply be handling the production overload from down south of the Rio Grande. Hermisillo and Cuatillan will be running full tilt with no lost work. I do not think others believe this to be a game, and reading your post, the valid points you made are actually one of the reasons for my no vote. Someone somewhere has to stand up for what is being done to the labor force of this country.

I think we should keep off this topic as it is something that is a problem throughout the US, currently. We need to focus on things for the new hires, retirees, and a bit for ourselves without pointing up the ladder at something we simply will not be able to change in the short term.

5 dollars is a magic number in the history of Ford labor. I would say give the second tier 5 dollars...I am first tier btw and have no relatives/friends who are second tier. Take a grand off of my signing bonus and use the savings to keep the Christmas bonus for Retirees. Give us the day after Easter back. I can live with weekday OT rules, but the Saturday and Sunday hours must be a penalty for the company. Time and 1/2 always on Sat and Double time on Sun. Keep language in that only suspends COLA and let us live to fight for it another day. Skilled with 10 plus in get their full wage when hitting the buttons/line. I would gladly do without the inflation protection bonuses, if these other items are met. I think in going back to the table we are going to take a major public perception hit. If we show we are fighting for these kids to get a nice 5 dollar raise and for those who came before us to get more, we do not seem so greedy, and we at least are trying to work back towards some fundamental Union principles.

It says right in the language that Steerling and Rawsonville (I believe it is Rawsanville) will both be fully populated by second tier workers.

Anyone having trouble getting into the UAW site to look at the language? I cannot even get to the site.

Did you read the post at all? I would be proud if my Chairman took into consideration language that would have an effect on senority bumps for HIS members. You can argue the ethics of that, but I think he has an obligation to at least let his people know what is coming. ALSO- the article said that "Workers in website spostings" talked about the third shift warnings of the local unit. That to me does not sound like a valid resource to site when doing quality reporting.

Not saying it did not happen, but how did that go down when wages are handled at the international level?

It will most likely...95% probable...involve nothing more than heading back to the table.

You should study some history of your own. What happened to the Union fighting for the 8 hour work day? Unjust convictions, 2 lynchings, and a suicide post Haymarket while fighting for such things; and here we are now over a century later. We can't even seem to fight for a 5 day work week, let alone the 8 hours to do "what we will" Fear should not hold a person back from doing what is right, and this contract is a cementing of the UAWs evolution from simply having a Gompers's induced corporate structure into one sharing a corporate mindset. It does not have to always be us VS them, but my friend it should remain and in the eyes of the corporation always will remain US and THEM. This contract screams of the Union thinking it has magically become WE, the big happy family. I do not think this is the time to get COLA back, BUT the language should remain suspending it, along with the other lost items minus the performance bonuses. The signing bonus should be bumped up a bit, the AWS bullshit abolished, and the disenfranchisement of the locals taken out of the new contract language. Locals are ELECTED by us, let them fight for us.

Add wayne to the no-vote roster.

Additional jobs at a lower pay scale and reduced benefits for workers. This combines with the AWS to take overtime from everyone. AWS being forced by International language on the locals also takes away the ability of workers to have weekends to themselves and their families. Coaching that T-Ball team as I was able to do, watching your kids in the big game, or even in all the smaller events that occur on weekends, will all be a thing of the past. We are talking about quality of life issues here as well as addition of jobs. It is a debate with points on either side, but my observation is this. The global race to the bottom has now become internal to our country. The American Labor force has been so put upon that whatever job is available seems worth the taking, in fact worth throwing your hat in the ring with thousands of others for a few hundred positions. In the position I am in this contract will not have that big of an immediate effect upon me, but I simply see my no vote as a vote against this change in the mindset of the American public, who I agree will see us as greedy and spoiled, and against what we are in danger of turning into as working class...no longer middle class...Americans. A no vote is scary if you really think about the consequences...hell I have a bucket of Ford stock...but I simply cannot vote yes on something that I believe will have such a devastating long term negative impact on my fellow Union Brothers and sisters.

Is Emglish your second langwij cuz yew seems to hav spelin and gramer probims. Just sayin.

Liquid, They are taking that option away from the locals. The local no longer has the ability to block such things.