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But they don't mind greedy executives or bosses.

Just quit? You must be salary or an idiot. All I want is a fair contract. We gave to help the company. They're fine now. Time for them to do right by us like they did you salaried folks. That's all.

There are still some very patriotic and loyal people who will not buy foreign made or foreign branded vehicles. Ford is making record profits and will continue to even if they have to sweeten the pot. Why risk that by moving everything to mexico?

Forget about 2019. Who knows what the economy will be then and what the make up of the workforce will look like. Ford hired a lot of people from around 87-90 many of them will be gone or on the way out.who knows what their wants and needs will be. Our memories are obviously short or we would have never voted in the 2011 agreement.

Some people are voting no because it's a lousy contract in record profit times. We made sacrifices with the promise that we would be rewarded when things got better. They want us to forget about that. Keep the bribe money and give me real raises, stock options or whatever. Sign on bonuses and advancing profit sharing is for suckers. Give me something that will compound or will pay me premium for my premium time.

Then why don't they go ahead and do that? We can't compete with cheap Mexican labor and little or no environmental standards. IMO they don't want to risk the political fallout and the fact that transplant foreign automakers will be more American than them. Why do you think that they brought some Fusion production up here? Why not just expand it in Mexico a couple of years ago?

If Ford wasn't interested in investing in the US then they wouldn't be. They are making most of their profit off of US plants. Why would they want to risk that? Another $1billion or so aded to this 4 year deal isn't going to change the mind of a company who has made $43 billion in the last five or 6 years here.

Gotta love the fearmongering. Ford is the one who should be worried, they would lose a Billion a day in lost revenue.. They are the only automaker who could be struck at this point. They are making record profits in a hot market for their most profitable products. They will somehow find the money to sweeten the pot and after ratification they will hand themselves huge bonuses.

Two tier is more like 29%. New or insourced word does not could toward the 20% threshold. Does it occur to you that many of the legacy employees think that 8 years is too long to get to full pay and are standing up against what they see as unjust like I do?

that's just stupid and fearmongering. How do they think a worse contract will ever pass?

Your job is negotiate for the members not the company. It is the members job to approve it. Last contract was getting voted down until you threatened us as if you were representing Ford and not the members of the UAW. Now you're doing it again. Give the members a little credit. Weren't the concessions supposed to be frozen until the company was financially sound? How many more $10's or $100's of Billions do they have to profit before we get our concessions back and get rewarded for granting them in the first place? What about the Equity of Sacrifice grievance? Didn't salaried employees get their concessions back? Why wasn't it settled before the 2011 contract? Could it be because you knew last time that it wasn't going to be honored? Four years later, many of us haven't forgot about it. This two tier crap has to go. As long as it's around the company wins and union brothers and sister lose. It is an old war strategy; divide and conquer. Because of it, our once great union and it's solidarity has been divided and may well be on the verge of conquer. Can you say right-to-work? Once it took only 90 days to get the same pay as a coworker. Then 18 months became the norm. Yet another contract started workers at 70% and took 3 years to get full pay. That became the new normal. Then comes 2 tier and now a third tier while the company laughs all the way to the bank. To those who say, we can't get it all back in one contract, I say why not? We gave it all away in the middle of a contract. Ford would laugh at us amidst record profits if we asked them to open the contract for gains for us. We'll guess what? We should have got our concessions back in 2011. If not then then we should this contract with the $43 Billion ford has made in North America in the last 6 years. Live to fight another day you say? Who knows what the economy is going to look like in 4 years. Keep your $10,000 of bribe money and bring up my wages and benefits such as COLA, pension raises and 6 minutes of breaks on the hour among other things. Ford can ill afford a strike. It's a red hot market right now and they are wanting to gain market share. Any strike or threat of a strike would be short lived. If memory serves me correct, Ford would lose a Billion dollars a day in lost revenue. Not sure they're willing to lose $7 billion a week to not give us a fair contract. If you agree with this please feel free to share this with others directly or on any other form of social media.

I see a 50% plus raise for tier 2 401k pension. Company contribution goes from 4% to 6.4%. I see nothing aded to the the defined pension for legacy employees. When was the last time there was a raise for our pension? Two or three contracts ago? I can't remember. I don't see two tier voting for us a pension raise in any future contracts as their numbers increase. If we don't get a raise to this this contract I doubt that we ever will. Say as a legacy employee you retire in 10 years, that means that you will retire with the same exact amount of lifetime monthly benefits that a guy who retired 20 years prior to you receives. Think about that.

This is Ford's profit in North America from 2010 through the 3rd Quarter of 2015. Our concessions didn't save the company. All it did was hand the company ridiculous profits off of our backs. Fact is, deep recession and high fuel costs killed auto sales for the Big 3 whose sales were too dependent on high profit and fuel inefficient trucks and SUV's. Our concessions likely only pared about $500 or so off of the price of $30-$40,000 vehicles. All it really did was boosts the Big 3's profit from then and into the future. It's past time that we demand all of our concessions back.

I'm hearing from a good source that the MKC launch has been been pushed back to sometime in the 2nd quarter 2014. This news is old but I finally got it confirmed.

Ford employee with user ID and password. Didn't realize that I had access to the site but apparently I do.