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18 minutes ago, Rick73 said:
In fairness that includes most people. We all have biases and often ignore facts. It’s unavoidable. As just one example your F-150 ownership probably biases your opinions on Lightning.If we were all 100% rational and unbiased we wouldn’t disagree on anything. 😀
Speak for yourself. I don’t ignore facts - I seek them out. My preferences are biased but I don’t visit those on others or apply that to the overall market. I hate Corollas and Camrys and would never buy one but I understand why others do and the sales numbers speak for themselves.Saying nobody wants EVs and they should not be built is an ignorant statement.
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13 minutes ago, Joe771476 said:
I knew the EV craze wouldn't last even if the tax credits were still in place. The quickest charge is 20 minutes. I can fill my gas tank in 5. These electric school bus mfrs. are closing leaving municipalities with no parts or repairs. And if federal and state govts. can force mfrs. to make EV's and make consumers buy them, then we're on our way to socialism.
The laws to go 100% EV were in progress and could have easily passed whether they made sense or not. And what you continually get wrong is that nobody wants EVs. EV sales continue to increase and they’ll increase more as next gen batteries arrive with faster charge times and lower costs.-
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10 minutes ago, Rick73 said:
Your logic makes sense from a Ford buyer’s perspective but from the Lincoln buyer’s or owner’s not quite as much IMO.
What he described isn’t badge engineering though. Aviator and Navigator and the previous Nautilus all shared side profiles and doors. But everything else was different. -
2 minutes ago, Joe771476 said:
You mean my opinion? Anyway, I've sent suggestions into DOT's and municipalities regarding road safety issues and they've implemented all of them.
That has nothing to do with business decisions on EV products. You see everything through your biased filter and ignore facts.-
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58 minutes ago, rmc523 said:
Except you could endlessly say that.
I do think they should take CE1 learnings and apply it, but also at some point you just have to go through with something.
You have to weigh the future improvements vs the market at that time. If you can make a decent profit then go for it now and refine it later. But if you’re breaking even or losing money then why bother? Also if the potential market is small then it doesn’t hurt to wait. -
19 minutes ago, sullynd said:
I always thought it was vanity. Fords cybertruck.
But I’m biased. I love my Lightning.
Instead of T3 I’d like to see Ford take what they learned from T3, what they learned from CE1, what they know from building the best damn trucks forever, and apply it to an all new F150 range. F150 should be the best damn ICE truck, the best damn HEV Truck, the best damn EREV truck, and the best damn BEV truck you can buy. Ford has three out of four TODAY. Challenge is how to hold that position in the future.
I think there is room for both - a full blown F150 with F150 capabilities and T3 which would essentially be a F100 just slightly bigger than Ranger with Ranger like capability. A cheaper version for those who don’t need the extra capability. -
I still think T3 is an important future product. But it’s ok to delay it for better technology and lower cost.
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3 minutes ago, DeluxeStang said:
I see no reason why intelligent people would have an issue with that.
First day on the internet? 😎I agree the fastback profile would be good (that’s what Explorer has now).
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4 hours ago, DeluxeStang said:
This is why I try to give Ford credit. People always judge with hindsight, saying oh these brands are all so stupid for investing so heavily in EVs. Yet they forget when these decisions were being made, a lot of markets were pushing hard for a ban on new gasoline sales, I believe much of Europe was 2030-2035 for a ban on pure ICE sales.
Brands thought they had no choice but to invest billions in EVs. Let's also try to remember that when Ford first released the mach-e and lightning, they were selling like gangbusters. I believe the waiting list for the lightning was something like 2-3 years at its peak.
That obviously changed, but it's easy to see why Ford would have seen that at the time, and come to the conclusion that EV demand was higher than it actually was.
Their plans are all over the place, but I respect their ability to recognize something isn't working, and pivot their strategy. A lot of companies don't do that. I fully believe the approach they have now, pushing smaller, affordable EVs and then EREV and hybrids for larger vehicles makes a ton of sense. There was a lot of pain in getting here, but I they have a stellar strategy in place now.
I do blame them for how they did it though. Failed partnerships, failed 3 row SUVs, not doing more hybrids and killing Edge and Escape and having to import nautilus and Corsair from China.-
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4 hours ago, fordmantpw said:
That was nice to let you pay MSRP and wait. Of course, it did have a pretty long trip from the factory.
Wait, ICE boxsters and caymans are discontinued? I didn't realize that.
Believe it or not the trip was only a couple weeks from German port to Atlanta.Europe passed some electronics law last year and the 718 platform was not compliant and apparently could not be upgraded so they stopped selling them in Europe last year but kept them in production for ROW until last month. They decided to replace them with EVs which are due out next year. But after the dip in EV sales they’re now saying they might do some naturally aspirated special versions which means GTS and GT4s and $150k price tags (at least).
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4 hours ago, fordmantpw said:
We're getting fired upon! Hold on, let me text Joe to see if he can help us out. He has notifications silenced. Maybe he'll see it later. LOL
Sorry I had it on silent.
Hello?
Guys?
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4 hours ago, fordmantpw said:
Lariat doesn't come standard with AWD anymore, it's an option. That's where the big price reduction comes from.
It is still standard according to the order guide. Of course the order guide could be wrong.
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2 minutes ago, Sherminator98 said:
Well a phone/Radio call would be faster if your taking fire, for example, in the case that I'm talking about. But there is def an erosion of people skills with younger generations.
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1 hour ago, fordmantpw said:
A true buying experience I want to see is to be able to order my vehicle directly from Ford, pay dealer invoice, and have it show up at my door, ready to go. I don't need no stinking dealer!
I know, it won't happen, but I can dream, right?
That was close to my experience when I used X plan with my local dealer. I just called and said this is what I want and it showed up 6 weeks later just below dealer invoice. Then they increased x plan pricing for which I’m no longer eligible and it became harder to special order. Bought the F150 and Nautilus off the lot. I was able to order the Boxster exactly the way I wanted it and the dealer was gracious enough to allow me to pay MSRP and wait 6 months. But since all ICE boxsters and caymans are discontinued it should be a good investment. -
1 hour ago, Sherminator98 said:
My Dealership already looks like what they are showing in the photos.
To follow up on your training experence-I have a former coworker that is an Officer in the Navy and is currently overseas in the mideast-he was posting on Facebook that he had to force his younger enlisted to actually use a phone for communication vs using other electronic means like email etc-
I have to admit I would rather email or text vs a phone conversation 95% of the time. It doesn’t matter if either of you are busy you still get the message and you can carry on multiple simultaneous conversations and have group conversations. And I’m borderline boomer/gen x-
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20 minutes ago, bzcat said:
I'm skeptical about $4220 MSRP reduction without major standard equipment decontent going on.
According to the order guide they only deleted the power sliding rear window. -
1 hour ago, Sherminator98 said:
The engine is being used in the Mustang and Bronco and in the Bronco case, weighs considerably more than a Maverick.
This is for the 2.0 not the 2.3. Bit it’s also the new generation and Ford wouldn’t do this unless they were sure the powertrain could handle the output. The transmission was used with the 350 hp 2.7 so no issues there. -
7 hours ago, Joe771476 said:
You know, if Farley had asked me if Ford should go full tilt into EV's, I would have said no! I would have suggested baby steps.
And if the pending government legislation requiring EVs had materialized you would have put Ford out of business. Business decisions like this are not easy. -
59 minutes ago, blazerdude20 said:
I agree generally that desire for power from the general public is overstated, especially if it costs a decent amount more. But, I think a lot more people want their vehicle to give the appearance of being super capable in the sporty or rugged realms. If you can build a package that is a little quicker but looks more aggressive, you can definitely build in a higher retail price. That’s where an ST comes in.
Almost no one is tracking an Explorer ST, but they sell a bunch of them. I’d bet there is a decent market for a Maverick ST.
Edge STs sold very well and people actually drove them fast. Lots of folks opted for the 2.7 Turbo in the Nautilus. You don’t have to track something to appreciate more power.-
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4 hours ago, pictor said:
From what I understand it more about who has the the biggest truck among his coworkers.
That is probably true amongst the jacked up suspension crowd but it is 100% not true about your average F150 buyer.How about we stop preaching to others about what they should buy.
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13 hours ago, jpd80 said:
Maverick was by far Ford’s smartest move,
no other brand is really covering it all that well
It kills me when people say “why can’t Ford do this vehicle that Kia is doing”.Why can’t Kia do a Maverick or Bronco or Bronco Sport or Ranger or F150 or Mustang or Transit or Super Duty?
Each company is unique regarding institutional knowledge and experience, reputation and market position. You invest your capital where it makes the most sense for your company.
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13 hours ago, morgan20 said:
That’s some of the best news from FoMoCo in quite some time. Maybe the “Model T moment” the head honcho spoke about is the real deal
I don’t expect it to be earth shattering but I do think it will be very popular similar to the Maverick launch. If they can truly keep the price to $30k with decent range and equipment they’ll sell a lot of them.-
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7 hours ago, T-dubz said:
No one said it wasn’t. People are much more likely to purchase something if it comes from the factory instead of a dealer installed option that costs thousands of dollars. If this 300T was an additional trim, it would probably sell pretty well, but I have to believe being a custom garage item will limit its popularity.
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5 minutes ago, T-dubz said:
I wonder how many of these custom garage packages are actually sold. I see this and think it’s cool, then see it’s from the custom garage and instantly lose interest. Sign me up if it’s from the factory though.
But custom garage IS Ford…..
Lightning production to end?
in Ford Motor Company Discussion Forum
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If ce1 can be profitable there is no reason T3 won’t be profitable. If nothing else we know Ford attracts premium truck buyers. And Lightning is just too costly compared to what ce1 is bringing to the table, although Lightning does benefit from F150 sharing.
To me the question is how much volume they can get from T3 short term. That’s where lower prices will help a lot. (Lower than lightning).