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Agree to a certain point but getting new product, example a new car won't save us when they are planning on killing off the pathers. One car won't save us I can see them cancelling the panther then sending our new car somewhere else when the next contract comes around. We need a new line the new rear wheel line. Two tier I don't think we can ignor it any longer, but before I sign my vote I better see a future at Stap, I'm not giving Ford a chance to sweet talk us then shut us down a few years down the road. :missing:

Wow! Spoken from one of our finest in the field. I think in stead of what the Ford employees are saying I think FORD should go right to the men and women in the police force and let them brainstorm as to what they want in the CV! Sure down the road we may loose some of our market to our fellow blood sucker competition but as far as I'm concerned I would sooner have a smaller market, be involved making the cop car and know that what I and my fellow STAP employees are producing are the best to help PROTECT AND SERVE our finest! And by the way the last thing I want to see in a cop car in the future is a chinease piece of crap "Cherrie" pulling me over. Wow again! Chinease car now being built to undercut everyone 10,000 to buy 10yr warrenty man, a car to kick to the curb on recycle day! HISTORY REPEATING ITSELF! Just like in the electronic age the Japanese had it after they took it from the americans, then the chinease came in at a lower price. Now the car industry is taking a hit first us, then japanese now China and oh, yeah now Korea. It seems we live in a den of theives we give and the rest take. When is North America going to wake up and smell the coffee...well, maybe not until someone pours the coffee on our face! Or tea!

All I know if I was a cop and I was in a high speed chase I would sooner be in the CV than the Impala why? Because while chasing after the jackass in the hopped up car if I could wipped out and crashed and in saying that I would rather be in a CV for full body frame protection in a Impala you would be like a pop can NO PROTECTION! Also cops not only have high speed chases but have to use their cars for protection against gun fire. The solid doors of the CV are still more solid than any other SPEED is one thing PROTECTION to our brave police officers is another. Again if I was a cop and I had the option to go for a CV or even a "bloody" Porsche cop car I would choose a CV when it comes to law enforcement. The CV has always proved itself but I think it could be made even better with a "little tweaking" some creative thought I swear the car could last another 20yrs! As the old saying goes "if it ain't broke why fix it just tweak it up a notch". And this goes out to Mr. Mullay "Yes we have the police market!" "No police will not go to a Taurus or an Esacpe, the odd Mustang yes". "That's it! If you at Dearborne want to end the CV you had better have a new car in mind that shares the same frame as the CV." Ford had it once but due to "SHITTY" advertising and "price gouging" the replacement fell to the pits! I am talking about the MARAUDER! Bring back this mean B$$ch and do it right!" Just my two cents Ford needs to learn from the public above all learn from Ford's workers trust us we know! Long live the CV and it's child the Marauder! Time for a new generation! :poke:

Crown Vic faces squad car rival Sporty Dodge Charger aiming for throne November 24, 2007 BY JEFF KAROUB ASSOCIATED PRESS The police car you see on the roadside -- or in your rearview mirror, if luck's not on your side -- might not look as you expected. The sporty upstart Dodge Charger is aiming to challenge the Ford Crown Victoria as chief of police cars. Chrysler LLC's full-size model that debuted in 2006 is no immediate threat to the Crown Vic or Chevrolet Impala, the market's other major player, but the Charger is gaining momentum in a market that sells 75,000 vehicles a year as national tests cite its speed and handling. Advertisement "We've been steadily gaining market share and acceptance for the police vehicle since its inception," said Chrysler spokeswoman Shawn Morgan. "We see that trend continuing." It's a small dent in the automotive industry, which expects to sell about 16 million cars this year. But it's an important niche for automakers, because it gives them a chance to put their products to the test when life -- or at least the law -- is on the line. "That vehicle has to accommodate a bunch of requirements -- it's an officer's first-aid station, comfort area for accident victims, command post for a crime scene. Next thing you know, it's involved in a high-speed run, responding to a heart attack, chasing a criminal," said Lt. David Halliday, who leads the Michigan State Police's annual vehicle tests that serve as a national standard for law enforcement. "We really ask" the automakers "to do an enduring duty for the public that's often underestimated," he said. Automakers don't break out data for sales to law enforcement agencies. John Felice, Ford Motor Co.'s director of North American fleet operations, said Ford forecasts flat sales this year for police cars and controls about 80% of the market. The latest round of police vehicle tests on 2008 models found the Charger with the 5.7-liter HEMI V-8 engine had the fastest acceleration, highest top speed and among the shortest braking distances. "Law enforcement has always liked good performance in a vehicle," Halliday said. "For example, the" 5.7-liter "Charger has a top speed of" nearly "150 m.p.h. If you're in the market for a vehicle that has that kind of performance, that kind of vehicle will fit the bill." Halliday said his testing team doesn't assign scores to the vehicles or declare winners. It assesses what each vehicle offers and how it can be applied to a department's mission. The tests also include road racing course times on a 2-mile course. The winners: the V-8 versions of the Dodge Charger and Magnum wagon. Halliday said the Charger also has an advanced stability-control system, which senses when a driver may lose control of the vehicle and automatically applies brakes to individual wheels to help keep it stable and avoid a rollover. He said his team is working with the other automakers on developing such systems for their police vehicles. Likewise, many agencies opt for the Impala because it has front-wheel drive, which offers additional traction control in slippery conditions, he said. Halliday said he believes the Charger might be garnering attention because it offers a new option in the market, long dominated by Ford and General Motors Corp.'s Chevy division. Chrysler returned to the police car market in 2000 after a 14-year absence, but received what Halliday called a "lukewarm response from law enforcement" to its Dodge Intrepid. The Charger has been much better received, he said. A State Police spokeswoman says the department currently has about 670 Crown Victorias and 10 Chargers. Ford's Felice said the Dearborn automaker keeps a close eye on competitors but also works closely with law enforcement and is confident that it is continuing its 50-year tradition of making safe, affordable, roomy and reliable vehicles for law enforcement agencies. "Really when you look at the overall police market. It's really ... not an individual attribute," Felice said. "It's who brings the product to the marketplace that meets the collective needs of this customer, the police officer." Despite the new cars entering the police segment, Ford remains the dominant player, Felice said. Gene Taylor, the police chief in Belleville, said his small department has used Ford vehicles for several years, but bought a Charger a year ago and plans to buy another. He said his department, which has five cruisers, sought another option after having major problems with several Crown Victorias and came across the relaunched Charger. Taylor, who describes himself as "an old Dodge boy," initially thought Chrysler was using an old nameplate to promote a new product. But he tested all three automakers' offerings at a Chrysler event and came away impressed with the Charger's handling and performance. "It's lived up to the hype so far," he said. Halliday says all three automakers are making vehicles that stand up to the rigors of law enforcement. "Competition is good for law enforcement," he said. "It strengthens the industry in making the vehicles capable across the board for a variety of missions." Funny I thought the Charger was loosing ground with police sales? Like I've always said Ford better wake up do some updates on the CV to compete with the Charger and others. And to the big brass at Ford if you think your going to push the police into the Taurus model after you kill the panther you better wake up. Time to do some modifications on the ever reliable CV it alrady has the market but we'll start loosing if we don't get back on track!

Just set up a table I don't think the company would have a problem. Just make sure the price is also right. If it is I'll probably get a couple. Hopefully they look cool and who knows maybe you guys could come up with another design showcasing the cop car or my favorite the Marauder.

Totally agree! That Vic hauled ASS! See what a panther can do with a little tweaking good driver too! :burnout:

It's got some pontential just need the Ford CAW logo on it. Put the logo on the front and the panther on the back. It would be nice to have a cool looking shirt to wear out and inside of the plant. I think the ones they use to have the white t shirt with the vic cop car looked cheap.

Just saw the bullshit that Chrysler is going through laying off what is it 1200 workers from Brampton yeah and on the other side of the paper China showing off their cars that go for 10,000 yeah and Chrysler laying off here and yet going into a partnership with a company in China. Nothing like feeding the red war machine that in the meantime is willing to take our money to build up their arms or money to either take us out or buy up our land because they are so over crowded and polluted. This is all smart you see when we all loose our jobs and with our new jobs making crap money all we will be able to afford is crap Chinease cars and we'll look back on the old days "Remeber when we made those great cars that would last forever?" Stupid Americans and Canadians the majority of us won't wake up until the bank comes in and takes our house over not just the autoworker but everyone through the chain. Wait until Toyota starts gooning their employees over in order to compete against China who pay's their employees 4.00 hr. Japan can't even compete with that until they move their plants to let's say Iraq. I shit you not! Hopefully Harper and Hargrove can put a plan together and yes I say thyese two because they come from the opposite of the spectrum and I think these two once being enemies could start being allies. Harper for one does not give two shits what China thinks just look at the Dali Lama's visit. In the meantime boycott China, by the way how many pets did they kill with their poison they sold to our petfood companies. Are we next? War is not military now it's takeover in the boardroom.

Way Forward doesn't include Crown Vic Dealers will no longer sell the Ford Crown Victoria October 31, 2007 By SARAH A. WEBSTER FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER Ford Motor Co. dealers will no longer sell the Ford Crown Victoria large car to customers at retail. There are fewer than 80 2007 Crown Victoria cars on dealer lots nationwide today, and there are no plans to deliver 2008 versions of the vehicle to dealers, Ford’s top sales analyst, George Pipas, told the Free Press. Advertisement In the place of the Crown Victoria, Ford will continue to direct car customers to the Ford Taurus, Fusion and Focus, Pipas said. The large Taurus sedan is slightly smaller than the Crown Victoria, but offers similar cabin and cargo space. The vehicle will continue to be sold in bulk to fleet customers, such as business and governments. In recent years, the Crown Victoria business has been 95% fleet. Last year, Ford sold 3,200 of the cars to retail customers, with 60,000 going to fleet customers. A Ford spokesman said in an email that the change on production volumes “won't be significant” at the St. Thomas plant. The Mercury Grand Marquis and Lincoln Town Car, which are built on the same underpinnings of the Crown Victoria, will continue to be sold to customers at retail, Pipas said. Production of the Town Car stopped earlier this year when Ford closed its Wixom Assembly Plant. However, there are plans to resume production of the large car at the St. Thomas Assembly Plant in Ontario, where the Crown Victoria and Grand Marquis are now built. Through September, sales were down 9% for the Crown Victoria, 17% for the Grand Marquis and 12% for the Lincoln Town Car. Several experts previously told the Free Press that they believe the St. Thomas plant, which builds all those aging models, will eventually be closed as part of Ford’s Way Forward turnaround plan. Aside from the current large cars built there, no future products have been announced for the plant. Ford’s Way Forward plan calls for closing 16 plants, eliminating 44,000 jobs and revamping the Ford, Mercury and Lincoln product lineups in an effort to make Ford’s ailing North American business unit profitable again by 2009. Ford has named just 10 of the plants it intends to close, leaving 6 more to be identified. That includes two assembly plants and four parts factories. Pretty sad that Ford is cutting it's own throat! I love that all the experts are saying our cars are dying off, weird though that sales for all three cars are moving up. Yeah lets push Ford customers to the other Ford cars which as far as I'm concerned are inferior to the proven Panther when it comes to saftey and durability! Yes make the Crown Vic a sales fleet car whatever but the Gm is just as good why push them to something else. Put them into the GM which comes from the now rated number 1 quality plant from Ford Canada! Good work everyone and our rating has nothing to do with us on 1 shift. It makes no difference whether we're on one, two or three shifts -- STAP KICKED ASSS! :shades:

yeah let's see if the rest of the media reports this! I'm sure it will be blamed on the north american workers! The wars just getting started and Toyota is starting to show some weak links in their armor! :whipped:

Good points P71 people always put the panther down why? Maybe they're bitter or it's people who think that the only way to go is like the competition small and build crap. The problem is and why the panther line has lasted so long is because it has standed the test of time either motor wise or body wise and yes gas milage. I gotta say the CV and GM's have alot more to offer than anything else if I didn't think so I would have gone to Toyota and by the way...I turned them "Toyota" down! I'll put my faith in our plant if it goes down that was my gamble. The only thing that people can say is give people what they want. Well like I said previously do some modifications on the body and maybe try for better gas milage still, maybe drop the name but keep the CV or GM. EG: the Ford "CV 700" "the Grand Marquise 550" whatever this will keep what we have loyal and hopefully bring in new LOYAL CUSTOMERS. I still say bring back the Marauder and do it right and advertise it this time. The Mustang shouldn't be the only Ford monster on the road time for the KING to come back! Time for Ford to come and slam the competition bring on the "WAR"! :chairshot:

With all of the compliments too bad the media and Ford don't try spreading the word. The panther line the best is yet to come if the new corperate Ford has any sense. :flexing:

The panther platform has lasted so long because it's too good. Can the CV and GM be tweeked to get better fuel economey yes but thats up to Ford. Hey you want new customers maybe a little more harder look "tough enough". People want bigger cars not little shit boxes. The Panther platform is nothing but gravey for Ford. Some people think the Crown Victoria name is for old people, well change the name to the Ford CV 700 whatever get creative. The CV and GM are the best diamonds in the ruff and Ford I think are missing it. Time will tell.

I agree Sparky you know for many years the big three were lacking in certain areas. But I feel that we being FORD, GM and Chrysler are making grounds and out of the three I think Ford is really gaining ground though the naysayers will say different as always. Competition nowadays is good but I still say time will tell and I think still if the playing feild was more equal things would really get interesting. All we can do as Ford boys and girls is do the best job we can do. :flexing:

Maybe they're number 1 is also they are able to manipulate our free trade agreements last time I heard JD powers ranked Ford right next to Toyota Honda number 1 barley. Not like Japan lets any of our products in oh, thats right they do but with such huge tarrifs on our products who could buy them. Oh, and lets not forget how Toyota has their customer appreciation days where the customers come in and the dealership looks at their car free of charge and while the customer is having a free hot dog the dealership fixes any recalls and they don't tell the customer. It was just a while ago Toyota got in big shit from the japaneese goverment for not being honest about recalls. That's right though it was on the news for one day and then was quickly brushed under the carpet. Sure would be nice to see if things were on a more level playing ground how Ford, Toyota and the rest would do.