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Let me give Level a break............ If a Trades-Person with no production seniority takes a production slot, will you have to take DOE into your new classification? If you choose to go back to production and stay in your current unit you will take a new DOE. If you choose to go to production and leave your current unit you will be able to take your full 7 1/2 years as your production seniority to your new unit.

Happy Easter.....

Sure I can take a pill......Can you do the same?

Whereswaldo, You can not be that blind to see what is going on here. I am simply stating to keep the line running, example: sensors, reflectors, touch screens etc... simple Electrical tasks to keep production going. This is the same scenario happening at AAI. Everyone does everyones work. Now as I stated earlier project and construction are different and you will see the Electricians will not let anyone past that golden egg, not to mention it is against state code. GM and Chrysler got their foot in the door and it is not pretty. Someone had made a statement in past threads banging on the AAI umbrellas because the do each others work. AAI has the leanest trades force in the big 3. They operate with 30% less trades than the closest big 3 competitor. Why do you ask? Umbrellas ding, ding, ding..........winner Now IMO I feel we will have more trades working because of the consolidation......A far cry from umbrellas brother. Do you really not see much difference between 2 trades and 22 trades?

When they work in teams to support production the "umbrella teams" will do whatever it takes to keep the line running. When it comes to project/construction work they will follow state code.

Could you tell us the recall rights for the trades that go back into production and if they have changed from the last contract? There were no recall rights before and there no recall rights in the new agreement. When you choose to go back to production there is no mechanism to call you back to your trade unless management tries to hire from the street. In fact they could actually put a apprentice on with your same trade while you remain in production. When there is a need for your trade you would be the first to be recalled to your trade before they contracted out or transfered in? No you stay in production while contractors are on site. Yes others in layoff or protected status will fill openings within your trade first before you. Be very careful and as Level stated make yourself familiar with the agreement and go over every detail with your Job Security Rep. before you make any decision. Your Rep. will get you all info you may need........

He said She said....... His Classification is Machining Specialist. Believe who you want. Just being honest. This site thrives on dirt and mud slinging.....Just trying to clear the bull.

They exist at the locations I stated. Not to speak for level but he may just be quoting the new agreement where they will continue to operate with Machinig Specialists at R&E and DT&D. The other locations I listed will not repopulate. The other 2 openings are to be filled with Toolmakers or Tool and Diemakers consistent with the new agreement.

What seems to be the problem???? That's BULLSHIT as that classification is only @ 2 plants and their NOT closing now are they? Wrong assumption....The Machining Specialist exist at R&E, T&D, Walton Hills, Maumee, Chicago Stamping and Buffalo Stamping. No takers for the other 2 slots then the posting goes to all locations that have T&D Makers and Tool Makers in protected status which is what happened. TMOs have no part in this equation. IT wasn't posted corporate wide and since you didn't deny it was a union kid, then it must be, by your logic. Wrong assumption again. Everything was done within the agreement. I believe this is a good sign that trades are starting to fill openings. BTW Are you a Tradesperson? Production/TMO?

This is the last place I would look for important issues like retirement and benefit questions. Most questions like this are personalized case by case. Not one answer fits all. Please see your benefits rep for your retirement elgibility, credits and monthly estimates for you personally. Also if they are singleing you out with a TLO while other lower seniority are working, get your committee involved....

The Union leadership you have at Wayne are properly representing you and the membership. The company has until April 1st to notify the shutdown dates and people working the shutdown. We all know how things change daily with management. Once management produces the shutdown "officially signed by the HR manager" letter then the Union will inform you of the dates with a signed document to back it up. Hope this helps.......

Are you currently working or are you currently in GEN (JSP)?

Buy outs have reached the peak.......There will be no higher incentives. This is it. We can complain and try to push a agenda here like ($250,000 each) but they will not increase. The American public sees us as a bunch of spoiled kids and the media portray us as overpaid cavemen. We will not get anymore sympathy. This is it.......... What ever happens after this round of buyouts will surely be painful if we do not reach the numbers needed. I am riding out the storm...... Good Luck.

I happen to like Captain. If you can get past the cussing he is usually 100% right on. Keep up the good work Captain!!!!!!! "supreme post master" LOL Don't let these guys chase you off, I appreciate your knowledge.......

Well said Captain......Its sad but alot of people that read these posts believe everything is true that uninformed people post. Good job!!!! I also feel you are a good resource to this site and appreciate your time spent here clarifing the "bullsht". Keep up the good work...........

When there is a need for manpower the Union and Management will meet and both jointly agree to add manpower by needs. The may need Pipefitters or Welders in the Mechanical Umbrella if both parties agree then they either add a Apprentice, JSP or hire from the street. The "Mechanical Group" is made up of UAW Journeyman card Millwrights, Welders, Pipefitters and Hydraulic. The site determines what trade is needed for shortages in the Umbrella.....I don't know how I can make it any clearer for you Good Luck

You are falling into the companys trap They should compare your hourly rate with fringes added in at about $60-$64 per hour straight time O/T falls down to about the regular base rate because all fringes are paid on 40 hours, not $77. Your controller should give you this rate since it is required in the new agreement. Then they throw out the outside contractors wages about $50 per hour which is untrue. The company and the outside contractor bidding will hide the fringes on you and say these guys are paid $45-50 per hour. The contractor is smart and will hide his fringes also like gloves, equipment rentals, tool allowances, travel expenses, equipment depreciation, and will also make a profit on the manpower he gets from the hall. Then the biggest scam is the smart contractor will hide labor cost in his material bid to show a lower hourly rate not to mention the profit he makes on materials. The hourly rate for contractors are $95-105 per hour when all of the smoke clears. Do not get caught in the war on rates. There are too many hidden items. You must bid the complete job. You have all of the tools you need in the agreement.......Use them. Good Luck

Thanks for clearing up the umbrella structure. My mistake.....

AAI has all of the traditional trades. They are divided into 3 umbrellas Mechanical, Tool Maker and Electrical. When there is a need for manpower the Union and Management will meet and both jointly agree to add manpower by needs. The may need Pipefitters or Welders in the Mechanical Umbrella if both parties agree then they either add a Apprentice, JSP or hire from the street. The umbrella structure is dangerous to the trades membership. AAI operates with 1/3 less trades than traditional plants with the same volumes. We were fortunate the negotiators fought off umbrellas for Ford unlike GM and Chrysler who do have umbrella language in their agreements. Otherwise all locations would be like AAI with not many trades positions opening up. Good Luck......

The way I see this and this is my own opinion all of these posts are missing the whole picture. 1) The Union negotiated these packages for people that want to leave with some incentive. No more no less. Voluntary!!!!! 2) The packages are not designed to give someone with 8 years seniority age 35, 140,000 and benefits for the rest of their lives. Or give me 10,000 for every year of service. Will not happen……Never will happen 3) Management is clearly trying to reduce retirement eligible employees with the new incentives. 4) The 50k and 70k and possibility of getting back lost pension credits are a clear sign of this action. 5) Instead of complaining why are we not being supportive of our union and all of these efforts to give people options never seen in any other sector. If I was an outside customer looking to buy a Ford, reading through these selfish posts I would be turned off from all of this rhetoric and probably go to a competitor’s brand. If this alarms you go back and look at what we are posting publically and how these posts end up after 3 pages. This board is for information among the employees not bashing the Union or our brothers and sisters. Let’s share good info and not be so selfish…….. Good Luck

Under Joels Leadership he sucessfully pulled Rawsonville out from under Visteon and returned the plant safdely to Ford. Under Joels Leadership he sucessfully saved his plant from certain closure. The membership can not be foolish enough to even think about replacing Joel.....Never will you ever have a President as sucessful. Good Luck

A valiant effort but this will not happen. It is a part of running a large manufacturing facility. Temporary full and part time employees are here only to fill shortages. If there were no vacations, no personal time, no medicals and everyone came to work on Mondays and Fridays there would be no reason to have the temps. They are here on all shifts for these shortages. In most cases they will be sent home early with no SWW or any type of benefit. Also there are more than usual TFTs in all facilities currently as place holders until people start moving next quarter.

Also note that it does not matter if your a tradesman off the street, you may voluntarily accept a production job in a different bargaining unit and take your total skilled seniority to use as a production seniority date. Other trades that had a previous hire in date before taking a skilled date will use the actual ford hire date. Hope this helps.......