whitetail

How come the plant chair of Dearborn truck can't afford to pay for his own vehicle like the rest of us? He makes well over $150.000, sounds like someone is in bed with the company!

I was looking in the new agreement, and was looking at the different zones and noticed a line drawn thru Phoenix hvc. Can we still go there if openings come up during the buyouts. Or is it off limits now?

Per the Uaw constitution you have a right to change your local bylaws. The membership decides whether to accept it or not. It is not uncommon to separate the president and chairman position. You do when your membership numbers go up, so that your chairman can have the time to represent you properly. It has nothing to do with your plant. It is about the numbers go up and more reps get put on. Look in your national agreement.

If they cut anymore it would definitely effect some of the committee persons.

Yea, Chairman is protected until elections next spring, then bye, bye, to him and the rest of this committee!!!!

The other problem we have here is our union representatives have NO seniority and our protecting their own butts. Self serving

The union here at Van Dyke said 2 months ago NO ONE was leaving, well 40 are gone now and we have layoffs scheduled one week for the next 3 months, my guess is we are still overroll and need to shed more manpower, maybe when our Union gets their head out of the sand and deals with the real issue, which is not enough work for the manpower we have. No new work until new line gets installed within 2 years. Short answer more people are leaving!!!

Well it looks like Sterling is getting some of our employees, seems we are fat and you are skinny. So we are going to send you 50 of our finest.

First of all, if you know anything about the National agreement, you carry your seniority with you. You cannot negotiate anything locally that supercedes the National agreement. We have heard from clowns like you before when we transfered to other facilities, and guess what we still had our seniority. So let me break it down for you over at Livonia. MAP is laying off and Rawsonville is going to also post it at their facility. So in other word there is a whole lot of people coming who are going to have a lot of seniority, and there is not a damn thing you can do about it. HA! HA! Get used to it, some day you will have seniority TOO!

With the Fn area leaving and stamping being taken out, I am sure the plant will be in an over roll condition. Therefore layoffs are going to happen. It also does not help that we are over producing parts, there is no longer a need to carry the extra crews in maching and midrange, Van Dyke has never been a plant that does rolling layoffs, nor should it be. The local union needs to quit hiding and communicate with the membership, let people know what is going on, and make a informed decision about their lives! So I guess the answer to your question is YES there is going to be people leaving Van Dyke. It may be high seniority, if the local union post jobs at other facilities, or low seniority being forced somewhere else.

I was wondering with all of the buyouts and retirement packages, why are we not seeing postings at the HVC centers. Can the employees at these sites let me know if they are using temps or second tier.

At Rawsonville under the first modification they gave us a commitment of a feasibility study for seats, no real commitment other than work that was already slated to come to our plant. Any contract with a feasibilty study in it, is a vote NO for me. Any contract without our COLA is a vote NO for me.

A $5000.00 dollar signing bonus is only $2800.00 after taxes which translates into $700.00 a year, we have lost over $30,0000 dollars over the last 3 years. What about all of the concessions we gave up 3 years ago, Ford is making money and not lowering the price of cars, but yet they do not want to give us a raise. When Ron Gettlefinger was President and negotiated the VEBA he said it was funded for 80 years, and now they are already asking for money from your profit sharing check to help fund it. We need commitments of real work!!!! NO MORE VAGUE PROMISES.

What peole at Rawsonville need to realize is, employees from Saline who were on temporary assignment from Rawsonville will be returning and displacing lower seniority employees at Rawsonville who are currently working. meanwhile temps are being hired to work at Rawsonville, while employees from Rawsonville are being forced to DTP. This is so WRONG!!!

Just in case you though I was lying here is the document:

Well here is a wakeup call to the employees currently working at Rawsonville, Saline has put out a list with 22 people to return to Rawsonville, bet the union is not telling you that the low seniority is leaving and going to DTP!!!!! This is just another example of our union not fighting for us. How can they hire temps, oh and by the way , were did these temps come from, (friends of Joely) so they are hiring temps, meanwhile YOU are being sent to Dearborn, isn't that funny!!! BUT Joel saved the plant, yea so temps can work there and you will be busting your buttt on the assembly line. Good job Melissa Ha! Ha!

I think what needs to happen is to get rid of date of entry in the trades, there is no reason for a pipefitter with 4 years working, when another is laid off or knocked down to production and he has more company time.

Why are we giving up anything based on false promises, we have been offerd work before and have not received anything. Why does the union not request start dates on new work? The only reason they are asking us for anything is because Ron Gettlefinger and Bob King made a deal with Ford, before GM and Chrysler went into bankruptcy court, they hammered out an agreement with Ford that they could take to the bankruptcy judge, so the union brothers and sisters would not lose everything. Now GM and Chrysler come out of bankruptcy with no debt and Ford is telling the UAW that they have to match them so they will not be at a disadvantage. Meanwhile Ford gets all of the benefits of telling the public they did not file bankruptcy and are a great american company for not using tax dollars. Now we have given up enough with the last modification, and the UAW wants us to believe we are going to get new work. The only problem is it is the same package we just barely passed with a few more twists to it. I URGE EVERONE TO SEND A MESSAGE TO THE INTERNATIONAL UNION AND VOTE THIS CONTRACT DOWN AND TELL THEM SEE YOU IN 2011.

Apparently Diecaster you don't know Mike because that is not true, he always fights for what is right for everyone, and not just for himself.

There is Mike Cornelius, he came from Flat Rock, he was an elected committeeperson and appointed by Greg Drudi and Bob King as a Health and Safety Rep, and was also appointed as the Production Standards Rep/Job Security Representative. He has numerous connections downtown, and has said that he will be running next election for Chairman. He is not part of the Joel Goddard regime!!!

Are there any opening at the Phoenix HVC, I was wondering if anyone has taken a buyout.

you are exactly right, Joel did screw us on the last set of bids that came up, he did not want the chairman from Ypsi and the committee people to come over before elections. He did not want anyone to run against him that could split the vote. That is why he allowed tlo's instead of putting people in GEN. Even now he is making decision that are not in keeping with the National agreement.

We have 8 of them at Rawsonville, they are in the garage Driving Seimi tractor and doing dispatch work. Was told by the union that they will be replaced by shutdown. They have been working anywhere from 40 to 60 hours every week for about a year.

ok here is the real deal, In volume 4 of the National agreement on page 263 it talks about seniority imbalance, I believe this is what Joel is refering too. I am not trying to stick up for him, but the company created this situation by shutting down all of these areas at the same time. You have to remember that some jobs take time to learn and some do not. The bottom line is soon jobs at other ford facilities will posted, just like skilled trades has been doing for the last year, and everyone will have the oppurtunity to put in for those opening based on their seniority.

that is not how it works, if you are placed in GEN, Openings at other facilities are posted in the plant, everyone has the opportunity to place a bid on those openings, not just at our facility but any facility that has people already in GEN. Once all bids have been submitted to the National job security committee, which is downtown,then those openings are filled by seniority. So if 2 openings are at lets say brownstown and we have 2 high seniority people place a bid on that opening, then they will go and 2 people from GEN will be able to stay in our facility. If no one puts in for those openings then they will force the 2 low seniority people in GEN to that Facility. Hope this makes since to you,