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The COLA was only suspended it wasn't taken away. And the gov't is saying that there isn't any COLA anyways. So we really didn't lose anything. If this union had any balls, and a lot of folks aren't gonna like this, and Bob King had any gonads he'd be telling those states that we can take our business elsewhere. Since this is supposed to be a partnership with Ford I'd be telling them no new products are going into any plant that pulls that right to work crap. Then I'd tell McConnell and Rand to stick it up their asses. I know from talking to folks in my plant that a lot of union people got suckered into the teabaggers party. They're gonna get teabagged all right!

I don't know how many locals out there elect whatever number of bargaining reps and the top vote getter is the chairmn instead of have a separate race for chairman and bargaining. Is this in your by-laws and what do they say and have you always done it this way and is it better? I just wonder because what if you got two guys who are pretty decent and both run for the same job. Then you end up losing a decent guy and maybe getting a asshole instead.

Brother I think you got it wrong. Don Rowe doesn't work at Avon and he didn't steal anything from the membership. What I was told was he doubledipped or something but paid it back. Pena actually stole checks from hourly people getting a package. You can go to the justice center clerk of courts and look at the file. They even had a copy of one of the checks Pena signed. I didn't know they brought in some writing expert but they did. I don't know if you can get copies of it but I wanted to read it myself and it was there. He admitted it to. Don Rowe and Fred Pena are different cases. Its all there. Its some pretty freaky s**t.

Don Rowe isn't at OHAP. I don't know where he is. But I don't think this is racial. How? If you stole something then you stole something. Charges and jail time? That's what a lot of us want to know. If its public record then we can see what happened. It isn't racial. I never heard of anybody else stealing money from their own union people. We all heard of people stealling from the company and getting fired. But stealing from your own people? the race card is stupid and a joke. Whats next? He's gonna find Jesus?

Level brother no disrespect but your a international rep and your not in the plant. Since you want facts heres some. Theres a lot of us that are pretty pissed off about this deal. There had to be some kind of deal cut with the company and the union because the company don't do nothing for free and we're gonna be the ones paying for it. Everyone at OHAP pretty much knows that this asshole stole money from people getting packages if they were taking it voluntary or because they got fired. Then he goes and steals checks from people who retired. What kind of person does this? Why is it still a issue? Because his brother is our standards rep and our standards are fubar and its got a lot of us wondering if this was also part of the deal. He steals and gets caught and then gets a nice chunk of change and is working at another UAW plant and is going to run for chairman there? And this is stuff that Fred is saying! He doesn't hide it! Its almost like he's proud of it. He was telling some of us that he was actually trying to get his job at our plant back. The facts are that this is bullshit. I just found out that this stuff is public record now so I'm going to find that public record and see the facts myself. Trying to throw other people under the bus like you did is just wrong. How do we trust someone like you now whos a rep but is taking sides? Pretty biased! These guys may be friends of yours but they are no good. Let Fred fight his own battle. Your not helping matters either by keeping it going and bringing other people into it. People say that unions are corrupt and this makes the case for it. Defending him makes you look corrupt too.

You don't think charges will be filed? Do you know something that the rest of us don't or are you talking out your ass again as ususal? You seem awful close to this situation like you are personaly involved or something. Maybe you didn't go to Sandusky but went to Strongsivlle? Maybe not? Probably

Damn you azzholes must be worried about something. Talk about people full of shit. Kruse and Hall were the guys who were the chairman or president when those went down. Keep talking and keep showing how all you do is lie and twist shit. Trying to stir up old shit to take the heat off you guys being crooks like your brother Fred! Did you guys get a cut of his buyout? I am pissed off more about you selling us out on this line speed shit John since you had to suck the companys dick to get your brother his money only we were the ones who got screwed. AGAIN

Looks like you heard right Virg! These assholes are gonna keep calling names and lying to avoid answering the question. Looks like they like to point fingers at every body else but forget that they got three pointing right back at themselves!

Jesus Christ you are the biggest asshole! You are the one with the big mouth! Just shut the f**k up already! Every body knows that you are a asshole you do not need to keep proving it we got it already!

Bingo! How many? SInce these guys know all the answers answer that!

I don't speak for any body but myself! We all know why he got fired! He lied to the people he was representing! I'm sure Spring can speak for herself. I notice you guys want to blame her for something she hasn't even said anything about on here. Shows that you guys are the ones with agendas. We don't work the same shift but if she reads this I'd like to know what she knows about the whole deal because then we might get more of the truth. We all know that you guys writing stuff on here defending Fred are his brother and buddies. And that includes that clown ERC MIMI! I'm so pissed about the whole deal that I had to come on here. Spring is the only one showing any class! But if she does read this I'd like to know what she thinks about the whole thing.

Fred Pena since he's a thief and a liar!

Spoken like a true international rep sell out! They take you guys up there after you sell out your local and theres nothing left! You must be one of their favorites!

Spoken like a true international rep sell out! They take you guys up there after you sell out your local and theres nothing left! You must be one of their favorites!

So the union covers up the corruption and if you question it you get bitched out and told your stupid. Nice! Now we get this letter about a line speed increase and how it won't change the jobs or nothing so now I guess we know how much this package for this a-hole thief cost us! Level weren't you the one who said the company don't do nothing for free? You were right!