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Anyone identify the turncoat throwing solidarity out the window for personal reasons?

New products and new investments is the only way skilled will finally get into permanent jobs. The temp set up isn't perfect but its helped over 100 trades keep their rate of pay and kept them out of production.

That is terrible for the DTP Unit to play with these trades like that. These guys are looking forward to someday get back to their tools and earn their skilled trades rate of pay. How devastating to play with these trades life like this!!!! Anyone know who it was specifically?? Nothing like this was posted in the Body shop so it leads me to believe it was some underhanded crap in DTP Final and Paint

Not to discount the importance of getting trades back to there skilled classification but last I heard there are 500 trades on ILO, working in production and working temp skilled. KTP using 2 production as temp skilled trades or posting for 2 gets us down to 498 trades. See what I mean. The problem is bigger than that. Its not the locals or the IUAW, Its a investment issue. We need more products to fill our plants to full capacity. Its the only way to get trades back _ More products_more investments_fill our plants. The government says our wages are now competitive and we need investments in our plants to add more shifts--------- I feel for the trades without a home and hopefully our current competitive rates get us investments like the last agreement

I thought I had seen a UAW Memo posted in the plant that shut down all of these crazy rumors just 2 weeks ago explaining the whole case. I agree these rumors are nothing but childish games

Gary does not bargain for trades (thank GOD) at DTP. We have our own bargaining unit. This guy is a terrible rep. He never makes a decision, tells people what they want to hear and never resolves a issue in Paint and Final. Ever wonder why no one wants to come to DTP voluntarily??? Now you know Many lower Seniority production here in the Body Shop are on to him and his lies. They realize that Garys position of getting us back to the $70 per hour rate puts low seniority in a bad position for future product and investment. Gary can just retire with his pension while everyone else is left with no job security The IUAW has our best interest, not Gary

I have never seen anything like this!!! You got this DEFLAP guy screaming force here force there blah blah blah Be thankful you and your AAI brothers and sisters have a choice of in zone and out of zone offers Many Skilled have not been offered any opportunity other that ILO or take a $5 per hour pay cut and go to production with a new seniority date Please go cry somewhere else

Look I dont want to demean you but I also have friends (previously coworkers) working temp at MAP and Vandyke. If it wasnt for the International pushing to get those guys loaned they would be in production or ILO and contractors would be in there doing that work. The only reason they are loaned there is that work would otherwise be done by contractors which means they are on scrap and construction jobs that in fact are temporary. There is no contractual language or mechanism that gives the UAW the ability to force the companies hand in make them take extra trades and put them to work at different locations. I think the IUAW acted responsibly stopping contractors and forcing them to take our laid off trades. Last I heard there were over 100 trades working on temporary construction jobs company wide, so the IUAW is being proactive With so many reduced trades in production, ILO and working temporary, Im sure the negotiating team is working to get more product commitments and adding shifts to MAP, KTP, LAP, CAP, AAI etc. and bring back trades on a permanent basis.

The Con Con Delegates didnt vote on it because whomever submitted it didnt follow the Constitution with 175 Delegates (going off memory) supporting the resolution. Therefore the floor could not vote on the improper resolution. You would think if someone would take the time to write and submit a resolution they would at least educate themselves on the process.

Many talking about the job security at LAP-KTP-CAP and getting to a better economic situation. We are all hopeful the UAW will get more investments in our plants again. Many either drove down to the Louisville area already or are doing so this week. I drove down last week and was impressed with the area, river and diversity of 2 states in close proximity. I believe there will be an exodus of people transferring to the KY area.

I made 120,000 last year. So if I figure 100,000 x 7.88 = $7,880 $7,880 Thank you Ford Thank you UAW Lets do it again this year

I knew damned well when the UAW negotiated product to AAI in the failed modifications I figured AAI was in trouble. Hopefully they can negotiate a product like they did in the failed modifications to help offset the high cost of operating on 1 shift Good luck You have a sixth sense that was right on...... I hope they can save AAI

I guess the UAW was right about the Republicans. They are after us. If we don’t stop them now, they will come after us next. That whole auto loan the Republicans were against and tried to dissolve the big 3 wasn’t against GM and Chrysler….. It was to bust the union. Its all crystal clear to me now. The union members in Ohio that voted for that Republican Governor, I have no sadness for you. This guy came right out and told the Ohio citizens he was coming after the unions. He didn’t hide it like Walker and Snyder. Well Ohio….. ya get what you voted for….

I remember that the Ford October Modifications called for Mechanical Work Teams. This is a direct opposite of the 2 trade system at AAI and forced upon GM and Chrysler. The way I understand it is that GM and Chrysler have the language and it is causing problems with overtime equalization, down time and a cost for training that is astronomical. It’s obvious the UAW is against 2 trade system or we would have seen it in the October modifications. The October Modifications called for Mechanical Teams. The team is still made up of all of the same trades typical in the job assignments per location now. No reductions as a result of these teams were also part of the language. This still keeps separate trades, keeps the Apprenticeship Program in operation with our 21 or 22 classifications, overtime will still be applied by classification and lets us have full control over our equipment. The Team Coordinator will have the responsibility of uptime, scheduling, PMs, overtime, ordering parts and basically running a better product without the Salary hold backs. The only part of Salary is for pay authorization and discipline. The Team Coordinator ($1.50 more per hour rumored) will be a UAW Journeyman elected from the Mechanical team. There are so many responsibilities for the Coordinator to attend that he will not be a working Team Member but a Coordinator. This is something we have needed for a long time. Most of the Supervisors hired now have never worked in any trade and that is where this type of structure makes sense. Let us run maintenance. How many times have you strived to fix PMs when all too often they are cancelled, mysteriously “signed off” by a ghost or the frequency is magically changed from once a week to once a month or quarterly and they don’t get done and the result is expensive down time. How many times have you had a break down and a simple service part is not available in the crib and you have to rob from other areas. How many times have you had an idea where you could improve tooling with a simple modification only to be held back from making improvements because Supervisors have never worked in trades and don’t understand the education and systems we have been exposed to over all of our combined years of experience? This is where we need input and a Coordinator will deliver. Overtime scheduling will be done by our own Coordinator as well as the other Coordinators throughout the plant. Job assignments will be made by the Coordinator. Upper management believes we go to a breakdown and if it’s not part of our lines of demarcation that we hold up the breakdown until the proper trade is assigned. This couldn’t be farther from the truth. This is what is reported from Supervisors now for the excessive downtime caused from no PMs and no parts available and the basic cover-ups we see every day. They don’t report to upper management that we work in teams now on breakdowns anyways because we care about our future and the product. This stops the 2 trade system and actually adds heads to the plant by adding Coordinators. This can be justified by reducing the amount of maintenance Supervisors, increased uptime and flow thru. If each plant has 10 non working Coordinators times 20 plants that’s equivalent to a need of 200 extra mechanical trades coming off of ILO or working in production. I don’t see it as losing trades I see it as getting trades back to the tools and getting trades with no home plant a plant to call home. The Mechanical Team structure is a better way to keep from going to 2 trades. I look forward to fully utilizing the power given to the Coordinator and the Mechanical Team to finally run maintenance properly and to show the failures of the current broken structure we operate under now.

Mach, I do understand your frustration. I have been laid off for long periods of time myself. It is demoralizing and depressing. It always seemed like I would never get called back but then the industry picks up and finally things start moving. I do like the fact that my Chairman fights to get laid off trades to help out on project work. I do know other locations are reaching out to these laid off trades and giving employment opportunities that otherwise would have gone to contractors. I have never seen this before and it makes good sense. It is temporary but it does get people back to work. Another observation is that most trades were working at the time of the ratification of the 2007 agreement. Then the depression hit hard and production was half of what we did in 07. Many changes like this pushed production down and layoffs occurred. What you need to remember is the union has not been able to bargain language for the skilled employment shortcomings as of yet. The temporary trades I know put in quite a few resolutions to help the negotiators understand the issue and resolution to the problem. The only way it will change is through language (2011 negotiations), increased production and more products to pull trades off production jobs and ILO and back to the tools.

The Job Security Program is a great placement tool. I wish we had all of this wonderful language back in the 70s and 80s life would have been much better for most impacted by large turnovers back then. The Job Security Program has a big responsibility to properly place people so we may enjoy employment opportunities outside of our hire in location and the ability to return to a base unit if it still exists. There are many variables to placement and Job Security may not have all of the information at the time of an action. I am sure if these oversights are brought to the attention of your Job Security Local Rep and it is contractually supported Job Security nationally they will make the proper changes. Sounds like that is what happened at Forge. They will get it right in the end and if there is a factual wrong doing they will make it right.

If you are a reduced Tradesman that accepted a permanent production job in a different unit you would be eligible to sign up for an opening in your trade in the location/unit you are working production in after all in plant original like trade are back first. Then you will get the opportunity BEFORE IT IS POSTED IN ZONE. They call it step 1.5 of the hierarchy. Example: If I am an Electrician from Utica and I accepted a permanent production job at Vandyke. I would get an opportunity on an Electrician posting at Vandyke after all original in plant Vandyke Electricians are back to work and before it is posted in zone 2. This has been applied like this everywhere except the Dearborn plants. The rule was challenged at Dearborn and they were made to follow the hierarchy like all of the other locations.

As a result of the 2007 agreement Pyrometers were consolidated into the Electrical Trade. Since December of 2007 the Pyrometers had a classification change to Electricians. This summer (2010) the State of Michigan changed the Electrical code that required all Electricians to go thru a bona fide Electrical Apprenticeship and actually show proof to the state. This change made it illegitimate for previous Pyrometers to get licensed or even work on electrical equipment. Because the previous Pyrometers only received half of the Electrical classes in the Pyrometer Apprenticeship the Company was forced to comply with the state and put the previous Pyrometers in an Electrical Apprenticeship. So, in effect the previous Pyrometers were already Electricians from the 2007 agreement and forced by the state to make them go thru an Apprenticeship. Hope this clears up the misinformation you may have had.

Special rights? Appendix N Step 1 Sounds like they were excess in the Rouge. They identified a need within the unit and filled it within the unit. This is step 1 of the hierarchy. Why would the hierarchy let excess trades get laid off within a unit and then bring in more trades from ILO outside the unit therefore increasing the excess within the Rouge. Really is backwards thinking Looks to me like the contract was followed

ILO, Temp Job are treated as the same, by seniority. Why would you lie?

Yes it would be force low in zone. Part of the steps looks for volunteers from all ILO zones first before the actual force step of the process.

Thats a good thing. Anyway, if you are interested in CAP or LAP they may not be able to fill the reqs with ILO/Temp locations. They will look for volunteers from all locations before forcing the ILOs. Good luck

Hope they do get another product in the contract next year. Something that requires 2 shifts. We need 3 shifts so we get skilled back to work.

Must have at least 1 Electrician laid off, working temp production or temp skilled from your unit. I heard the job was both demo and installation

Here is another great interview. There's s a direct relationship between the ballot box and the bread box, and what the union fights for and wins at the bargaining table can be taken away in the legislative halls. Walter Reuther