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1 hour ago, akirby said:
What version do you have now? 2016?
I think all 2017 models have NA 15 installed, at least our MkC does. This update is only for NA 18, so almost 2 full years out of date as the date reflects data as of Q1 of 2018. So three years newer than what we have.
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7 minutes ago, Icspres said:
you say you're not trolling but then you end with the quip about how you value your time more than I do. I run a 40 Man Government Contracting Company in the Cyber and network engineering space, have two small children, I'm busy from the minute I wake to the minute I go to sleep. I'm dictating right now while on an elliptical watching the news. Maybe I'm just a hell of a lot more productive than you are.
I've driven quite a number of cars with start-stop, mostly Mercedes and Porsche loaners. I have a pretty good idea what's the best it could be is. And I did say I was going to take a test drive. When it comes in if not sooner. Would you say it's a better or worse use of my time to figure out which cars I want to spend an hour going to test drive from a cellphone on an elliptical watching the news or do you think I'm better off figuring it out in person test driving
each car?
3 minutes ago, Icspres said:Agree completely. The problem is not blowing the surprise right? I just replace the carpet including the cargo space in her GL450, take the swirls out and sealed with ceramic for the third time. I put a lot of effort into throwing her off the scent.
While I have no experience with how it is enabled in MB and Porsche, I do have experience on how it is on a 2017 Toyota Highlander and it is terrible in the Highlander. The Ford system is light years ahead. The Toyota is a noticeable restart and isn't quick. With the Toyota, you have to feather the brake pedal to get it to restart once stopped.
One thing you could do is "randomly" drive by a Lincoln dealer and say "hey I want to drive one of those new Aviators, lets stop in and take one for a spin" then she'll just think you are just messing around. Then tell the dealer you aren't in the market but wanted to compare to your current stable to see if it is all that.
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On 9/6/2019 at 1:26 PM, CoolScoop said:
I'm getting a Grand Touring so it hasn't been scheduled yet. But my order sheet says "Lincoln Play with DVD", so it should be like the Navigators system but with a built-in DVD player in one of the screens.
I emailed Lincoln concierge and received the following reply:
QuoteThank you for your patience as I’ve run this by my colleagues. Regrettably, the 2020 Lincoln Aviator does not come equipped with a DVD player at this time.
For more information, we do recommend reaching out to your preferred Lincoln Dealer, as our sales stuff will always have the most up-to-date information provided by Lincoln Motor Company.
Thank you,
REDACTED
Social Media Manager
Lincoln Customer Relationship Center
Email: REDACTED@lincoln.comSo now I don't know. Maybe they intended to have DVD in the Aviator but decided against it. If it was going to be the same as the 2018-2019 Navigator, I would think it would have been available at Job 1. Who knows.
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14 minutes ago, Icspres said:
So you consider doing my research a new car purchase for my 20th anniversary to be hyper fixating? Are you imagining me sitting in the dark wringing my hands over it? You also seem to think I've never driven a car with start-stop before? Or that my wife and I don't have some reasonably well formed opinion of our own? I'm not big fan of feeding trolls but don't you think that's a little bit of a leap?
I think what most people are getting at is that the system used by Ford/Lincoln for 2019+ model years is way better than what you may have experienced before with any other vehicle. I drove a 2019 Expedition and specifically wanted to check the auto stop start feature and the engine RPM was at idle before moving from the brake to gas it was that quick. The feature was not objectionable and unless you are monitoring RPM on the tach you would not notice as the engine noise at idle is less than the surrounding ambient noise (radio, conversation, traffic, etc.). Let your wife drive one, if not the Aviator, let her drive a Continental, Navigator, Expedition, or Explorer. Make sure it is enabled and don't tell her about it, see if she notices. Also as others have mentioned if you switch to the performance mode (excite) it disables it.
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Can confirm for 2017 Lincoln models it is $109 / $149.
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Get something like this and a set of bluetooth headphones. There should be a jack on each screen.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01EHSX28M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_6J0CDbN1GY56H
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20 minutes ago, Wheeling said:
May be you are too tall for the Aviator??
6'1" hardly seems too tall. I am starting to wonder if there was something wrong with the seat, still had plenty of headroom. Do they just figure everyone likes to lay the seat back into the second row when driving?
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My dealer got their demo unit in today. It accelerates smoothly and is nice to drive. Plenty of room in the second row. But the dang driver seat sits way too high. I moved it as low as it would go and my sight line was only a few inches below top of the windshield. If I flipped down the sun visor it blocked my view of everything but the HUD. The only way I could get my sight line lower was to lean the seat way back.
Am I missing something on the adjustment or has anyone else noticed this. The headroom for the Aviator is 38.7" with the vista roof and my '12 Explorer is 39" from the lowest part of the cushion to the lowest part of the roof (twin panel moonroof). The '12 spec was 41.4" but I think that was without the moonroof. I just can't figure out if it was just how i had the seat, or is the lip of the roofline lower, or if the seat just wasn't lowering all the way.
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Any updates on 5LM5J7XC8LGL02460?
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On 8/28/2019 at 12:30 PM, CoolScoop said:
My order lists the entertainment system option as: Lincoln Play with DVD. So it appears that it will include a DVD player now. The order guide implies that it was available at Job 2... but I haven't found any details on it yet and it's not covered in the current online owners manual (May Rev.).
Have you been able to find out anything further. I talked to the GM of my local dealer and asked if they were getting the DVD in Lincoln Play and he said that it would be the same as in the current Navigator, i.e. no DVD. If you find out let us know. Any idea on when your build date is?
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5 hours ago, mustangchief said:
The new line is scheduled for start-up next month, it will take a few weeks to get everything running and passed QA. CAP is behind in production do to a few factors, but one is employees taking off without calling in. They have moved some expertise in from other factories to help out, but sometimes that is like putting water on a grease fire. That said, I ordered my GT the day the order backs opened for them also. I've learned to be patient when being an early adopter. I'm hoping by Christmas, but expecting Valentines. Until a VIN shows up for you or anyone else, they are not scheduling. I'm hoping for a VIN any week now. As far as actual timeline on a new line, there is only the best guess.
I talked to the GM of my dealer today. I asked when the GT would start production. He said from the information he has from the dealers conference the GT should start in October with an outside chance in late September. He said Lincoln hasn't even set allocation yet. He also was pretty upset with how badly the Aviator launch has been and hopes the Corsair will be better. The first Aviator they got in about a month ago was a retail order, it has been in the shop waiting for parts due to a transmission issue so it actually hasn't been delivered yet. So with all the issues I thing getting one in by EOY 2019 will be a stretch.
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My guess is those vehicles don't have the huge sunroof or they are exceeding the roof structural limit. The other thing is half of the weight of the tent is carried by the ladder.
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They could build a Lincoln hypercar and people would complain that it is just a gussied up Ford GT.
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1 hour ago, rperez817 said:
You're missing the point that PHEV and BEV are not the same.
Every dollar that Ford spends on dead end hybrid technology including PHEV is a dollar that isn't devoted to BEV development. That's a legitimate risk for Ford in terms of falling behind when it comes to BEV compared to automakers that aren't devoting their resources to hybrids any further.
Wrong. Every dollar spent on BEV development is flowing down into PHEV products that can make money today. How? By developing the packaging of the battery, the control systems, and power requirements. The two streams are not exclusive. If you are going to develop future technology you have to be able to flow that into products that can make money now. When BEVs become profitable at the volumes that consumers are ready to commit to is when this will be apparent. Tesla is still not operationally profitable selling BEVs.
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1 hour ago, akirby said:
From what I understand about a year.
I think it generally depends on how many coats (layers) are applied. I have read anywhere from 2 to 5 years (warranty lengths from pro applicators) depending the hardness of the coating and the number of layers.
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Related to Ford as a company, the biggest impact and potentially biggest profit center for BEV's would be to produce a 150 mi to 200 mi range (whatever covers 95% of commercial operators) Transit vans and light duty pickups for the fleet operators. These are the companies that run local service vans and probably put on 100 miles a day on service calls then park them back at the main office. Ford could greatly reduce those operators running costs by providing a BEV solution where each vehicle is charged overnight at their main depot. FedEX, UPS, USPS could all benefit. I think F-250's and such are going to remain ICE for a while but there is a use case for a BEV F-250, but I think market acceptance will be limited right now. Getting more mass market penetration will take some time. Rural parts of the country will still depend on ICE vehicles until the infrastructure improves. PHEV's are not holding back adoption of BEVs, range, charging time, and infrastructure is. If I want to make a 500 mile trip in 8 hours, a BEV is out. If you want to tow on a long vacation, BEV is out. There are not enough charge points available and the charge time is still too long. It takes 5 minutes or less to pump 20 gallons of gas and there are gas stations every 50 miles or so in most rural areas, chargers not so many of those though.
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1st think I noticed in the full report is that it wasn't a random sample. It was a self selected survey posted to several facebook groups. They don't have nearly enough responses to gauge anything from a self selected survey.
Invitations to participate in “a survey on electric vehicles” were posted in more than two dozen online
Facebook Groups, forums, and blogs (Appendix A, p. 116). More than 1500 people interacted with the
online survey (the entire survey can be found in Appendix B, pp. 117 -165). After eliminating people
who started the survey but dropped out before going very far (127) and people who reside outside the
US and Canada (52), we were left with 1392 surveys to analyze. -
13 minutes ago, EcoBoost said:
Curious why they are going with an outdated DVD-Player. They should offer a Blu-ray unit instead.
Because Voxx doesn't offer a Blu-ray player.
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8 minutes ago, EcoBoost said:
Interesting - makes you wonder where the DVD-player is supposed to be integrated (location).
Lincoln Play (and Ford Play) are Voxx Automotive Evo systems. https://www.voxxautomotive.com/
There is a brochure on the Evo system there. The DVD is integrated into the "A" unit just like the headrest systems in the rest of Ford and Lincoln products. Evo doesn't allow for dual DVD units as far as I know. You can view the manuals for 2018/9 Expeditions and Navigators to see the difference and similarities.
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Appreciate your efforts. Any change?
5LM5J7XC8LGL02460
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3 hours ago, EcoBoost said:
I'm pretty sure it will be identical to the one on the Navi.
There are a few YouTube videos about it out there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzfrV3Yl_so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8WmHzZbvkY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTzIcmKeLpA
The system was supposed to change this model year to include a built in DVD player. It will first be available in the Aviator. However nothing has been confirmed officially.
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2 hours ago, Bob Durk said:
You went to great detail and we appreciate your input sincerely. We will start our do dilligence before signing anything. Thanks again.
I forgot that there is this thread on this forum.
You might read through it.
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1 hour ago, Bob Durk said:
Just bought a 2019 Edge. Didn't take the extended warranty offered by dealer. Any advice pro or con?
If you want to buy an extended warranty, go online and search for Ford ESP, there are a few dealers out there that sell them online for near dealer cost which is considerably less than most dealers charge. As far as value, it depends. If you plan on keeping the vehicle for 100,000+ miles it is probably worth it as most mechanical issues will start popping up in that time frame. Electrical modules usually work or they don't, but age can affect those as well and definitely affects wiring. I didn't have one for my 2012 Explorer and haven't had enough out of warranty issues that would have made the warranty worth it. I have 155,000 miles so if anything were to come up now, it wouldn't have helped anyway. On my spouse's 2017 MkC we did get 8 years 100,000 miles on that, but our dealer sold it for near cost so it was worth it for the extra peace of mind.
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2 hours ago, msm859 said:
I don't see it as being at the mercy of your competitor. Ford and Chevy just did a joint venture building transmissions. No one comes close to the charging infrastructure of Tesla. Tesla made a deal and are adding super stations pretty much at all Targets. They are conveniently placed and spaced near restaurants and shopping. At this point I would see it as a strategic alliance. Tesla has always said anyone can join. Besides their charging cords are the sleekest.
What if Standard Oil had decided to outfit all of their gas stations with a proprietary nozzle way back when? The problem is that Tesla is acting as a auto manufacturer and as a fuel supplier and making it so for anyone to use their fueling station they have to pay a royalty or fee to Tesla. No automaker should help fund Tesla. The private market will install compatible charge stations as EV's become more prevalent.
2020 Aviator Start Stop :-(
in Lincoln Aviator Forum
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I am not sure anyone knows exactly what the behavior of the Aviator GT will be as no one has one and press usually don't comment about those kinds of things. I am sure a lot will depend on what drive mode you select. I would guess Excite would always leave the engine running, Normal would operate off the battery more in city driving, Preserve EV would be regular start/stop (no EV usage), Pure EV would be battery only until it can't keep up. Eco would probably delay normal ICE operation but engage after you are moving.