Flying68

There is a reason that fully autonomous aircraft already exist and fully autonomous cars do not. Even though aircraft occupy 3D space and can move in all directions, the controlled nature and sparsity simplifies the problem allowing fully autonomous operation. There are no random people doing random stupid things hiding around the corner ready to pull out in front of you. Yes you have birds and other aircraft, but detection is much higher leading to longer reactionary periods. Automobile traffic is a much more complex problem.

This just started for me when the update became available for download. Ford needs to vastly improve their software reliability (web and ota/wifi).

Thanks, was pretty sure they had different part numbers despite having the same version number. My Expedition updated successfully through USB, but haven't been able to get the download yet for the MkC. Seems WiFi stopped working (I only had 1 update on the MkC where WiFi actually downloaded the update).

Anyone experience this where the update software page just gets stuck with the spinning circle (see picture)? It never goes to the update available page, nor the no updates page, it just sits there spinning the circle. The Ford owner site let me download the update just fine for my Expedition. 2nd question would be are the updates the same part number, could I just use my download for the '19 Expedition on the '17 MkC?

I don't really use the remote start on our MkC because it is the wife's, but the locate feature is super helpful. I will use that to see where she is at, if she has left work or not, especially when we have to be somewhere, or to figure out where she went if no one is around. Still have to get Ford Pass setup on her phone so she can see where I am. I had planned on paying for it, but thankful that I don't have to now.

I will say that with my new Expedition the Auto Start/Stop has been a little rough, but it is smoothing out somewhat. Hoping as I drive more, it continues to smooth out. Still I haven't cared to disable it. It works like it is supposed to by restarting to keep the AC cool and there is no real lag when I lift the brake pedal.

Well as much as I wanted an Aviator, I found a Platinum Expedition fully loaded for 6415 off MSRP plus an additional 6500 in rebates (2250 rcc, 1250 fmc cash, 3000 pco on Expedition only). Financially couldn't pass that up. It isn't as sexy as the Aviator GT that I was lusting after, but all the delays and low inventory leading to high asking prices made the decision easier. Maybe in a few when we replace our MkC things will be settled down, of course by then we may go BEV.

They would have been better off starting with a low rate production and ramping up while maintaining quality.

Did they release the official EPA rating yet?

You are looking at probably December before any Aviator GT's show up on lots. Production doesn't start until end of September or early October if it goes as scheduled and then you are looking at another month before they get the ok to ship to dealers. Some dealers have been saying don't expect them until next year, others are more optimistic saying late this year.

I would venture to say that most sales associates really don't know any more than we do. Frankly we probably know more because we research it to death. You can always go onto owner.lincoln.com and download the owners manuals for both the regular and PHEV versions of the Aviator and see what it says.

I am not sure anyone knows exactly what the behavior of the Aviator GT will be as no one has one and press usually don't comment about those kinds of things. I am sure a lot will depend on what drive mode you select. I would guess Excite would always leave the engine running, Normal would operate off the battery more in city driving, Preserve EV would be regular start/stop (no EV usage), Pure EV would be battery only until it can't keep up. Eco would probably delay normal ICE operation but engage after you are moving.

I think all 2017 models have NA 15 installed, at least our MkC does. This update is only for NA 18, so almost 2 full years out of date as the date reflects data as of Q1 of 2018. So three years newer than what we have.

While I have no experience with how it is enabled in MB and Porsche, I do have experience on how it is on a 2017 Toyota Highlander and it is terrible in the Highlander. The Ford system is light years ahead. The Toyota is a noticeable restart and isn't quick. With the Toyota, you have to feather the brake pedal to get it to restart once stopped. One thing you could do is "randomly" drive by a Lincoln dealer and say "hey I want to drive one of those new Aviators, lets stop in and take one for a spin" then she'll just think you are just messing around. Then tell the dealer you aren't in the market but wanted to compare to your current stable to see if it is all that.

I emailed Lincoln concierge and received the following reply: So now I don't know. Maybe they intended to have DVD in the Aviator but decided against it. If it was going to be the same as the 2018-2019 Navigator, I would think it would have been available at Job 1. Who knows.