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Will the installation bet troublesome or troublefree? Is it more than just simply swapping out the bulbs?

I'm surprised they took that away It looked really nice in the previous models lit up..

You know pricing and trim levels were announced weeks ago officially. You can find it outside of the ford configurator. Hopefully the configurator will be updated with hybrid titanium and energi information soon. With so many people going to Ford.com they probably don't want to publicly announce too soon you can order those 2 new vehicles as that would REALLY mainstream the vehicles fast versus people just finding out they can pre-order them now at dealerships or articles online for those who search for them. However, with production starting in less than a month it looks like it shouldn't be long now! Any day or any week now is my best guess! :D

Lol! Maybe that is why the EPA want to try a different approach with the Fusion now. Ford's new Fusion Hybrid threatens its competition standing boldly at the top of the MPG hill..that's bound to bring some attention in on what makes it so "good". Let's just hope the EPA validates Fords numbers with whatever test they choose to use to determine real-world mileage.

I agree, this shouldn't change anything on time of delivery or anything like that. It's just information and making it more accurate if anything if the audit takes place.

Well I've been worrying over the new 2013 Fusion Hybrid not meeting EPA ratings for a while now, most notably because I have a Titanium Hybrid pre-ordered, however excuses have been flying around blaming the weather and the fact that, apparently, anyone buying a new Fusion hybrid has never driven a hybrid before in their life making thme unable to achieve 47 MPG. Well, I still find it hard to believe that over 100 professional car reviewers don't know how to drive a hybrid and I find it even more hard to believe that a car toting an average MPG of 47 is getting around 10 MPG less. Now Ford says mileage varies per customer and driving habits will allow people to achieve at least 47 MPG or more, but the fact remains more people are complaining about the lack of getting 47 MPG at all, let alone anything close to it than praising the car being the most fuel efficient mid-sized sedan...EVER! It's not Winter yet, temperatures aren't that cold throughout America right now, and the new Fusion comes with hybrid drivers training built in so it can be assumed that people are trying their best to achieve 47 MPG before complaining about it. Other threads have popped up around here from concerned Fusion owners that already have their Fusions (unlike the rest of us still waiting) and well when I found this article it really didn't surprise me. Apparently, the EPA has heard enough from the people and are going to take matters into their own hands. Now what the EPA is going to do and what their results could mean for Ford is in the air at this point..no one knows for sure..but what is sure is it looks like the new Fusion is definitely going to be audited and I think it should... I just hope, for Ford's sake, things don't turn out badly in the results..or their the new flagship Enterprise will have a little more bad press under its wings. Here are the articles below: http://www.greencarr...-hybrid-mileage http://www.nbcnews.c...w-epa-1C7511815 http://www.torquenews.com/1075/independent-tests-fusion-and-c-max-hybrid-mpgs-lower-epa-certification Here is an interesting article on the topic from The Car Connection saying how the C-Max hybrid will also be audited: http://www.thecarcon...-economy-claims Be sure to read the comments on that one ^^^^ Comments and opinions much appreciated! Trolls with nothing to add will be ignored.

A lot of you are missing the point and this threads been trashed. Reposting.

Oh really? And how does owning a car truly make you understand how fuel economy works exactly? How does it mean you're more qualified in all your years driving a truck or school bus to a hybrid? I guess I need to have a landline phone for a few years to truly understand how a rotary phone operates, or be an experienced deep sea diver to truly appreciate life on land. For your information, not that you considered it. This is not my first vehicle...just my first car...so based on your claims that only a person who has driving for years I guess I should at least know as much as you right? Unfortunately your claim is as stupidly justified as it is just stupid in the first place...but look at you..tough man Ford stockholder with lots of shet to say to new Ford customers..You've got a lot to learn my friend...

Dude, you need to calm the f. down. You being a shareholder means nothing except that you're proud of the new fusion and hope it sells well so you make money...Yeah you and everyone that works at Ford. What was that suppose to mean anyway? If anyone says anything negative about the car it threatens your investment so of course you would defend it...like I stated earlier..people like you with nothing to add to this thread don't belong here. Thank you. Second dude, No where in this thread did I say anything about "real-world experience". I never claimed I did. I did claim, however, that this thread is for PROSPECTIVE HYBRID BUYERS OR ANYONE WHO HAS ORDERED THE HYBRID (LIKE ME) because in reality we are the ones who are purchasing this vehicle and will keep the EPA's audit in mind and follow up on it. The only reason why you would is because if they do find anything negative, low and behold if your precious Ford stock goes down as faith and sales in the hybrid drop...go screw yourself. Men like you piss me off because you love to fight and if your opponent says anything that is correct you pick the stupidest things to outline or defend your case with..things that don't even make sense, are taken completely out of context, or purposely curved to fit your stupid ideas and insults. You're a Ford fan? Well I can see why you're such an ignorant fan boy now. I'll be sure when i get my fusion hybrid titanium I love the car just enough to not turn into a blind Ford slave like you. Why don't you turn in your 2008 F250 for a new fusion...try one of the ones that catch on fire. Stock holder like you deserves something special.

I agree and as long as the new fusion gets in the 40s I'll be fine. Not even the more expensive cars being sold right now look as good as the fusion (even though they probably perform much better) But being my first car...ever... i dont have anything to relate it to as far as quality goes so it seems just right to me. Looks upscale and is feature rich and i'm a tech guy. For me the fusion is still a hands down choice..i'm getting one...but based on the EPA audit the fusion hybrid may or may not be the trim i'll be getting. I seriously doubt the EPA audit will change and if it does I am sure we are still looking at low to mid 40s here and that is exceptional MPG considering a car of this magnitude in the midsized segment. I think you'd be crazy to order a different car on MPG alone, but you'd also be crazy to skip out on the hybrid as long as it gets you in the 40s at least.

I have ordered a FFH SE originally and in early November made the switch over to the FFH Titanium. So this does affect me as a prospective buyer and an awaiting owner. I don't see how this has anything to do with Fusion gas owners as they are using their blatant love of their new fusion to defend Ford even if they don't know it. Even the recalls don't affect them unless they were personally asked to give up their new fusion for weeks until it was fixed. That would change their tune as well. I just dont understand why fusion gas buyers flock to fusion hybrid MPG threads as if they know what they are talking about. They are getting piss poor MPG compared to the hybrid and should be glad that piss poor MPG is accurate for their sedan...let the hybrid buyers like me be concerned about our vehicles if all gas buyers are going to do is defend Ford and actually state nothing the rest of the world didnt know already. If this wasn't a problem the EPA wouldn't be investigating it...so get a life or go in your fusion and drive around the block burning a gallon of gas until you feel better lol. ...and no herman..Stating my knowledge of the human mind and how the dynamics of cognitive and social psch affect everything from how we perceive our world to talk sh!t in forums doesn't make me rude. It just lets me stand apart from the real rude people in this forum talking as if they know it all and putting me down and anyone who questions Ford and hybrid MPG. Those are the real rude people. I'm not ignorant, anyone who is interested in the 2013 FFH/energi real world MPG are not ignorant and the EPA choosing to investigate Fords MPG claims aren't ignorant...It's everyone acting childish in this forum that don't need to that are rude. Can we get back to the point of this thread now? 2013 Fusion Hybrid Faces Audit From EPA Due To Poor MPG Reports

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Here's what's interesting... and take this from an educated college student that has learned that much of the public like's to think they are informed and knowledgeable and...right.. when they are really only moved by their own personal biases, no matter how conscious or unconscious. This post goes out to everyone defending Ford. Most of you do not own or have not received a 2013 Ford Fusion of any kind. The others that are posting here are driving 2013 Ford Fusion GAS models. Personally, I feel none of you that fit in the previously mentioned sentence have a right to say ANYTHING about hybrids because (1) if you have ever driven one you probably have not owned one long enough to say any of the claims only true hybrid drivers should be saying. Also, you're all biased in the fact that, if you do have a 2013 Fusion in your garage...be it an S, SE or Titanium...you aren't facing MPG challenges that are 10 MPG lower than the 22 MPG EPA estimates. Because of this you focus on the rest of the car as a whole and its unbelievably good quality...so in your mind this is the perfect car...good everything, good gas mileage so you say YOU ALL GETTING THE HYBRID NEED TO LEARN HOW TO DRIVE IT CAUSE IT DRIVES PERFECTLY...THOSE ARE ESTIMATES..BLAH BLAH CRAP SHOOTING. 1- But you better believe if your 22 MPG was actually 12 MPG for your gas engine you would be pissed. If your 200+ HP was actually 150+ you would be pissed because, while you did buy the car for other reasons, the main driving functions of the car- call them your "basic needs" wouldn't be met and you'd be pissed. But because you're getting your mediocre MPG anyway you can enjoy the finer parts of Fusion. Keep this in mind next time you choose to blast hybrid prospective buyers because to them MPG IS EVERYTHING...and yes it's an important decision because all the other features of the fusion come with the gas model...so the MPG IS WHAT YOU'RE PAYING THE PREMIUM FOR...so dont blast them because they are the ones investing in a hybrid not you...so they are the ones that have the worry not you...So take your Ford defending somewhere else because we aren't bashing Ford for creating a messed up car, we are curious to say the least why the hybrid model fails to perform its expectations...the publics expectations and Fords very own. 2- Ford dealers nationwide and Ford official videos are all calling this "America's most fuel efficient midsized sedan" 47 highway / 47 city / 47 combined...EVERYWHERE...no where do they say its actually 20% less...so you're looking at around 9.4 MPG less give or take. So that is false advertising because in commercials they can list the fine print at the very bottom...that isn't done by official ford representatives and dealers to customers at time of purchase or in advertising videos that make it on Youtube or their website. 3- Yes this car is 3,500 pounds...yes it is a midsized sedan...but none of that matters. The facts are it is a car that can get an advertised 47 MPG combined...it doesnt matter if its as big as a blue whale...if it is advertised at 47 MPG combined then that is what you should be expected to get...your ideas are clouded because once again you do not own the new hybrid, have not purchased one, or have a gas guzzler in your garage that is getting its advertised MPG or better. This concern lies with the hybrid/energi owners only and they have a right to be concerned when a majority of these cars can not meet EPA estimates. The reason Ford is being audited is because it is failing to reach real world expectations and so they are doing more tests (or using CR testing methods instead of their own) to see just what the Fusion MPG should be (if it needs to be changed at all) I praise this because while i bought this car for all of its advanced features, its main selling point for the hybrid over me owning a prius that made it hands down was the fact that it was only 3 MPG less than the Prius so that made it a hands down decision for me to look at what else it had to offer...now that i see MPG is barely in the 40s...that puts finding the best fuel efficient sedan back on the table as well...and im not the only person with this view...so does all the other people interested in the hybrid because for us MPG IS WHAT WE ARE PAYING EXTRA FOR... I didnt pay for "oh my gosh im so lucky to get over 35 MPG in a hybriid" I paid for "47 MPG combined" and like anyone else would be fine with anywhere from 43- 50...but 37.5-39 MPG seriously? The point is...anyone with a gas model has no right to bash hybrid prospective buyers or anyone with a hybrid or speak as if they know hybrids best because they for one know why they DIDNT buy a hybrid. Leave the facts, speculation, and blame for the people who are willing to invest in this expensive trim, have driven hybrids before, and are at least interested in it..because they are the ones who are Fords customers for the hybrid/energi...not you other gas buyers. And because the rest of us are willing to invest thousands more for a hybrid powertrain we have a right to know it can at least perform 47 MPG easily..instead of one week in june when the weather is the hottest and not the rest of the year. The EPA audit will help clarify any debates and ensure the public is properly informed and that the 47 MPG combined is indeed accurate and that is all we can ask for as hybrid buyers. The very least this can mean is that at dealerships ford salespersons and in videos ford makes marketing the hybrid they will now say this car gets an astonishing 47 MPG combined, but typical drivers can expect to reach 41 MPG on average. Telling this to a customer up front is keeping the customer informed and prevents upsetting customers after they have purchased or pre-ordered your vehicle based on Ford's own speculation of what MPG can actually be achieved. And I think it would be much better if people were told 41 MPG realistically because then you can better compare it to a 50 MPG prius or a camry hybrid etc...instead of comparing 47 MPG to the other vehicles and thinking the fusion hybrid is a hands down decision...which is currently what Ford is doing deceptively.

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Exciting news!!!!

You shouldn't have to..and that is why hybrids still struggle today..people know performance wise they are nill and no one should have to re learn how to drive for a hybrid. I think once the technology allows people to DRIVE IT LIKE A CAR...instead of like a specialized machine then it will catch on easier. Until then all car manufacturers can do is blast up MPG ratings to attract people and add fine print. This reminds me of when the new iphone 5 came out and it wasn't capable of keeping calls or a good cell signal. People kept getting dropped calls and call low data speeds....Apple responded with...you have to change the way you use the phone and hold it like this.....OH YOU BETTER BELIEVE THEY GOT SO MUCH BAD PRESS AND PUBLIC BACKLASH FROM THAT!!! i couldnt believe it myself....i was like...honestly? .... soon after they apologized, of course, and had to send out an attachment people could use just to use the phone "normally" until the issue was fixed with a software upgrade. Point is, if you create a product to do a simple thing such as make phone calls or drive efficiently and it will only do that 90% of the time if you follow someone elses rules on how to use a device you already knew how to...it's going to cause some bad press.

STOP PUTTING CONSUMER REPORTS DOWN....sure they may be unreliable and stupid and not the best car reviewers...HOWEVER...in this case they are only making public the claims many other 2013 fusion hybrid owners are making...and if they can easily use their power and influence to get Ford audited for validity then more power to them because me, like every other public consumer interested want to know! ...and while a bunch of "little people" can't do much of anything..a "big wig" like consumer reports can... I'm not saying they were correct, no one is...that is the point of the audit..

I agree! This car has over 70 processors and over 4 billion lines of code written into it..it's an advanced computer- just as any vehicle is...if anything their technology should match the REAL WORLD BASICS drivers expect when purchasing a new car.... Drivers want good economical vehicles capable of (1) lasting longer than its warranty and ( 2 ) not being a gas guzzler (3) being safe.....it's up to car manufacturers to meet these expectations thus we have strict safety regulations, manufacturers with more reliable cars (like Toyota) versus the competition, and every year new cars reaching higher and higher MPG. Now if one year a car is getting 41/36 and the next year its getting 47/47...does that mean old fusion drivers were barely getting in the 30s? NO. And all of you saying Prius owners don't get 50 MPG have never driven a Prius.. it is EASY to get 50 MPG and it doesn't matter if its a toy compared to the fusion...the point is it was made to achieve high MPG...it was rated at 50 MPG and on average people get over 50 MPG in the car... The new fusion hybrid on the other hand was made to get high MPG too...it's a new engine...it's been reported it can get 47 MPG...now is it achieving that at all? Not for the majority of owners on average...big difference...doesnt matter if its a 100,000 car vs. a 10,000 car...if it's built for a purpose and tested for that purpose it should perform at its test results..and the fusion hybrid may not be doing that...thus the audit. Because of this i think the audit is a great idea to at least verify Ford did the right tests and consumers don't have to worry because it has been officially verified...if anything this test will be good for Ford because if they pass the audit they were telling the truth the entire time, publics mind can be at rest and life can move on....however...should they fail.... they deserve much more than some bickering in a forum.

Agreed! No company advertises and pitches a feature or idea that they can (A) not even offer a majority of customers that are purchasing their product or ( B ) doesn't even exist in the first place. Now if Ford wanted to advertise creating the most gas-efficient midsized sedan then they should be prepared to face whatever public backlash they deserve for mainstreaming a car to the American public that is HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING capable of doing what we advertise...teeheee.....just a small fine print...teehee...but WE DIDNT LIE PEOPLE, WE SWEAR!!! We are a company out for profits and profits only! We would never do anything to jeopardize that!!! Trust us..we're American

Same, this is one of the new fusion technologies i know ill be using more than any of the other driver aids. Cant wait to try the lane departure/keeping system as well.

I get 2013 brochures...but they are honestly nothing special and none have anything close to advertisements/coupons/offers of any kind. I've gotten two different types for the 2013 Fusion so far as well.

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For anyone who doesn't know about this update it is for recent 2012/2013 Ford or Lincoln vehicles. You can request the update from your dealer and it is only for MyFord Touch owners. You will need to get the new A4 SD chip for navigation as well as the current SD card will no longer work with the system. On to a bit of even cooler news ford is quote on quote, "reinforcing our commitment to you, we're extending the warranty for MyFord Touch software and the SYNC module to a total of five years/unlimited mileage for 2011, 2012 and 2013 models of MyFord Touch-equipped vehicles." - I think this is great...five years and unlimited mileage for MyFord Touch...awesome! --Oh and another thing...the new navigation updated card...is free of charge

Same..door sills plates are door sill plates...you already have the wow factor having them if you get a titanium..at least anyone without a titanium can get them and have them light up, but for my titanium hybrid the ones included are good enough for me