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woohoo, thank you very much, maybe it will be a Christmas gift?
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On 9/28/2019 at 1:19 PM, Deafsoundguy said:
I generally liked Doug's review. I've seen him screw up a few, like complaining a button doesn't work when in fact he's pressing the wrong spot - argh! But it's clear that he liked the Aviator and that's cool. The only glaring thing that he missed is explaining about the available (Black Label) themes because they can be glaringly different to the eyes and I don't like the Chateau theme at all (not pictured). I also don't care for the swirled metal polishing on the stereo surround he likes. I mean I actually don't like it enough where it might be a deal breaker for me if I wanted to get the Aviator. However the "Destination theme" is something I'd about kill for! So if you read that review and didn't know anything about Black Label and themes you'd be out to lunch on that. The themes are really polarizing and your normal person who may be looking at Lincoln like me and the wife for the first time are going to be really clueless unless there's a whole lot of homework done or they just happen to have that perfect theme for your eyes at the dealership (I'm going to doubt that). If the salesguy doesn't offer that info straight up, then they could possibly lose a sale because some of the colors and themes just don't fly with certain people.
We went and looked and sat in a Nautilus Black Label last night. It had the only theme we would even consider for the Nautilus, which was the Thoroughbred theme. My wife is super spoiled with her FPace-S , so it was like pulling teeth to get her to look at the Nautilus. Once she sat down and realized the door materials and quality were like 100 times better she's now very interested in the Nautilus (the Aviator being too big for her). She loved the seats and that was without even adjusting them at all! She was really impressed. I wish she liked the Aviator because it is freakin nice. But she won't have a car that has a third seat.
Get her to sit in and drive the Aviator, it drives so much smaller than it looks. Any one buying a Black Label should be helped by a concierge not a salesman. If they act like a salesman, reach out to Lincoln on a social media site or by email. Heck, if you are in range, have them bring it to your house. They have a traveling showroom of materials and paint chips. (I prefer seeing the color on a vehicle). I didn’t like diamond blue on the chip, but that’s what I ordered because it looks good on a full sized car.
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On 9/9/2019 at 5:30 AM, mustangchief said:
Good Morning Mr Cyber
Dealer. L22658. Order 777
Any update would be much appreciated
Thank You Very Much
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6 hours ago, Bellanca said:
It’s amazing!!!
Congrats on the new ride, it looks superb...?
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1 hour ago, Professor1234 said:
It looks like you can’t lock the doors from the touch-sensitive pad on the handle anymore. So if you take your gym bag out of the back door, where do you lock the car?
Does ANY exhaust enter out the exhaust tips? If not it’s going to look pretty stupid in the cooler weather.
There is a touch area lock at the bottom of the keypad, you can lock it from your phone also. The exhaust exiting down should make it appear to be floating on a cloud. we'll see soon.
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12 hours ago, AutomotiveAddicts said:
One one other note, the air suspension and its road preview feature appears to work identical to the one in a new 2020 BMW 750i I got in for review... funny enough, it is the best riding 7 Series I've ever driven and it rides JUST LIKE my Aviator. I kid you not! Take it for whatever it's worth. haha.
Every day I drive over the road I made the video of in the other thread I wish I had the Aviator back. Sometimes you don't know what you miss until it is gone. It was not perfect, but the ride was head and shoulders over my other rides.
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9 minutes ago, Bellanca said:
Even if everything is covered under warranty no one wants to have a loaner multiple times out of the year. I hope Lincoln makes everything right, though.
They will or I'm bringing a pitch fork to the stock holders meeting.
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3 minutes ago, jfischetti said:
I like my 2008 Audi Q7, but cannot stand the shysters that are their service department (at many dealerships). I wanted another SUV, and the Aviator was the only one that struck me as stylish with the best performance. I really worry that service will be an issue with this 2020 model.
Very True, My last Audi trip was not fun. 200 clams to change my brake fluid at 12,000 miles, manual says 20K or 2 years, it will be 2 years in December. Service agent said it was important for the brake fluid to be changed to prevent brake failure. LoL, wander who buys that crap. I always worry about service, but a GM I have a good history with just became Co-Owner of the Lincoln Dealership, as long as he is there, I'm not worried. I would check out your service department though. Look at their reviews and then just go visit them for a bit. I always watch my first experience with a new dealer no matter how long they say it takes. The drop it off and pick it up doesn't fly. When I'm comfortable, then they can work on it at their leisure. There are issues on the best built cars, it happens. I would only reject or not wait if I were not getting a good deal and know the owner. I have four years to work out the bugs, and they will pick it up. It is not my daily driver so I have that luxury. With Lincoln though you will get a loaner and they pick it up, nothing to worry about for me.
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I own my first and last BMW. Nice car for around town, but if you are going over 50 miles, it gets to be uncomfortable. My wifes Audi is the same way.
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Might be why David Woodhouse left after creating a master piece. Management wanted it pushed through despite issues with the new equipment and staff to build it. He knew it was going to be ganked up and did not want to be part of it. They will get it right, just might take a minute. If the CAP production coach is reading this forum, remember slow is steady, steady is fast, ask Jamie over at KC about it.
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10 hours ago, Littlematty said:
Was hoping someone by now would have gotten their Aviator. That being said a new vehicle platform does take time to work out the issues so delays should be expected, but quality shouldn’t be ignored as it seems to still be an issue.
There are some out there, we have a silver one in town, and a white one was sold to ? We are a tiny market. You probably will only see 1 in every 1000 Lincoln buyers participating here. Many view but don't say anything.
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49 minutes ago, Flying68 said:
Did they release the official EPA rating yet?
No, that is what MT got during testing.
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Another bit of information missing is what mode are they testing in, was the battery at full charge, all of these effect timing. I don't think people shopping these are looking for a drag SUV anyhow, just one where a youngster in his Honda Civic needs a lesson in judge your competition carefully.
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10 minutes ago, jcartwright99 said:
From every first drive, each said the GT felt significantly quicker from a start. Here we have a test saying its inherit advantage isn't? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
See above, I recognize the similar trap speeds, but it is a faster vehicle. Other testers will have different trap speeds, some maybe slower. Based on the fact you have a much heavier vehicle putting in a few same numbers and then a larger gap in others, I would think the inherit advantage is there. 23 MPG overall vs 20 MPG is pretty significant also.
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I would not focus so much on the Trap numbers, it brakes shorter, has better skid pad numbers, passes quicker, figure 8s faster, is a lot faster in the taller gears. I'd bet a nickel it is tuned to not rush out of the gate to keep Grandma from getting whiplash. The widening gap at higher speeds support that. I'm sure if you want to monkey with the tune, it will launch pretty quick. Another reason to harness that kind of power is to not snap the drive shaft. Launching almost three tons into a 13.8 quarter at over 100mph takes a pretty beefy shaft to start with, applying all that torque would probably take an upgrade.
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30 minutes ago, akirby said:
There is really no practical difference between 4.8 and 5.3 unless you're actually drag racing or (more likely) bench racing.
I've got 90 feet of on ramp to the freeway every time I head south, like to work. It is the shortest on ramp I've come across and I do it every day. Going from 35 to 70 to merge is crazy, especially when the person in front of you panics and stops, then it is 0-70 in about 45 feet. That half second is helpful, but any 0-60 time below 8 is enough oomph.
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7 hours ago, msm859 said:
It would be worse, but I don't see how that could be. It would totally destroy their "performance" emphasis story for the hybrid, which is their explanation for the limited electric range.
Lets talk performance: 5838+Lbs and a 13.8 1/4, you think that is not performance? Here are a few "cars" that ran a 13.8 stock
1) 2013 Taurus SHO
2) 2005 Mustang GT
3) 2003 Mustang Mach 1
4) 1971 Mustang Boss 351
5) 1969 Mach 1
6) 1969 Boss 429
Maybe if you stripped out all the luxury it would feel fast. Be assured it is fast enough to pass or accelerate out of a mess, all the while massaging your fanny. I drove a 69 Mach 1 for a while and can tell you a pet rock in the passenger seat could feel the difference in ride. I'm ecstatic as I age, I can go just as fast as I did in the 69 and have my aching bones pampered.
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1 minute ago, Bellanca said:
Maybe he misspoke or I didn’t hear correctly. All I know is that it needs repainted. I’m tempted to take it now and then have them repaint it once the paint comes in. God knows how long that will take.
If the paint is that bad, it needs to be returned. I would never take a brand new dealer painted vehicle over factory paint. I just checked and Chicago did update their paint facility this spring when they converted the machinery. The two-wet process is a harder surface and less prone to scratches than a typical paint at a body shop. I know you have been waiting, but they would either replace it or I'd walk away. If they insist on repaint, have them include ceramic coat for free. Maybe they just want you to walk away so they can sell it to someone else. A small fish eye or similar blemish may get through, but needing a repaint, never heard of that on a high end vehicle line THE other thing, when the paint comes in? What kind of body shop is this? My friend has a large rebuild operation and has DuPont paint mixing stations. You only need the color code and about 20 minutes and you can have every paint out there. You open the correct base paint, put it in the machine, put in the code, a few squirts, take out the can, put it on the shaker for a minute, strain into the paint gun and shoot away.
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9 minutes ago, Bellanca said:
Factory blemishes. He said multiple panels missing base coats
Hmmm, he'd have to show them, not sure if CAP is using two-wet process now, but you only have a primer, then color and clear are shot together. I'd ask for a better explanation, sounds wishy washy. I don't think anyone shoots base coats anymore.
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5 hours ago, Bellanca said:
She’s in!!! But they have to do the recall on it, I don’t know how long that will take. I was hoping to pick it up today since it’s my birthday.
Happy Birthday
Sorry about the issues, did he say whether they were factory blemish or handling abuse? I'd look at it before they do anything to it.
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The start stop on the Aviator I drove wasn't really noticeable. There are plenty showing up at dealers now, go drive one. I hate it on the Audi, because it is so pronounced at take-off. The Aviator did great though.
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Good Morning kind Sir, Could you check for any change this month?
Dealer L22658 order D777
Thank You
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Perfect example of looking the same at first blush, but 4...6...7 years later at the end of the loan, do you need a new car or is the refinement still there.
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9 minutes ago, Flying68 said:
I talked to the GM of my dealer today. I asked when the GT would start production. He said from the information he has from the dealers conference the GT should start in October with an outside chance in late September. He said Lincoln hasn't even set allocation yet. He also was pretty upset with how badly the Aviator launch has been and hopes the Corsair will be better. The first Aviator they got in about a month ago was a retail order, it has been in the shop waiting for parts due to a transmission issue so it actually hasn't been delivered yet. So with all the issues I thing getting one in by EOY 2019 will be a stretch.
Aug 23 was the OKTB target date for the PHEV, not sure if they made it.
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Excitement!!! We have a VIN and build week. Nov 11 build week, Veterans Day week. As a Vet I feel this will be a special car. I also have hopes for it to make it home by Christmas. Christmas will already be special this year. My Daughter gets married next month and it will be the first Christmas with all of my children and their spouses together. The Mrs and I have flown to one or the other for Christmas the past 13 years. I'll miss Okinawa, Maui, Tokyo, Atlanta, Cape Canaveral, New York, Pennsylvania, but it will be nice to decorate the house and have everyone home. ?