mustangchief

My Son does a pretty good job of decluttering, but wait. No, he always leaves something behind when he borrows...lol

My gosh you are so right? or left🙄. Anywho, I'm not going to argue aviation with you. I'm not going to even discuss the ordering process of autos at Ford. The final thing I will not do is grow up, I worked too hard and sacrificed a lot in life to do as I please and play with any expensive toy I choose.

" You joined BOV 3 days ago and just rained a tribe of useless barbs on a forum of the biggest fans of Ford/Lincoln, not to mention employees past and present here. Ford tried to do something others would not contemplate in a complete makeover of a massive plant in a month. Instead of looking at what went right, you are focused on what went wrong. If your post was the single driving factor of a person deciding what vehicle to buy, people would never buy a new or used Ford product. Thankfully, Ford/Lincoln customers are mostly Blue Collar or from the Blue Collar realm and pretty damn smart. They understand life is not perfect and when life deals you a lemon, you make lemonade. You do not cut the tree down and smirk at how you won't get another lemon. There are many highly satisfied Lincoln customers with Aviators and other Lincolns. You won't have a chance to enjoy a truly great vehicle because you like the other five threw a fit and canceled because you did not get it on your terms. This thread was started by me with the sole intent of following my order through the process with my friends on this forum, I did not post it on Audi or BMW forums even though I own one of each and my daily driver is a BMW. When I need to tow/haul/travel I use a Ford F-150, when I feel sporty I get my Mustang or Challenger out. If I had to give up four of my cars today, I would be driving the F-150. When I get the Aviator, it will be the Aviator. I spent a three day weekend with one and put on hundreds of miles. When you get seat time, if you trust it enough to try, you will see Lincoln blew away the Europeans IMO. A short jaunt around a dealer area doesn't count. I think my Audi is superb around the house, but I took it on a 600 mile trip and will never again do that. These are my opinions and just that, my opinions. In your other replies you mentioned your "professional hat" and that it somehow qualifies your comments. I wore a blue collar hat and then a professional hat until my retirement at 48. My specialty was production/manufacturing. My latter years was at the top overseeing product cradle to grave lifecycles of aircraft. I spent time in classes with automotive production managers. Your comment about the "Max and Lightning" kind of pisses me off, but I let it go because you obviously have arm chair manufacturing experience. They were not my projects and many of the mistakes made at Boeing were due to greed and though I'm sad to see them go through this process they brought it on themselves. The Lightning, where I am intimately familiar with the company is more of a corporate salesman promising what engineers said was possible before T&E. It is an extremely capable aircraft and will be for decades to come. All that said, manufacturing is about CPI (Continuous Process Improvement) Ford tried something, and though I don't know specifics, they are bench marking what worked and improving what didn't. As you said AI and BEVs are on the horizon, they guy who can win the day on factory changeover speed will win the market. Ford is not about to spill the beans to dealers or consumers on what went right and what went wrong, these are corporate secrets they will use in the near future to improve. Ford has innovated since the Model T and I think they are on the brink of the next big thing.

Who promised? Lincoln did not. They (Lincoln) sent me a package in September, and it said winter of 2020, not 2019. The dealer did not lose 5 special orders, he gained 5 retail assets that he will sell sure as the sun comes up. Finally, if you cancelled your order why are you still on the Aviator forums, some of us still believe in Ford and their employees, your sour grapes add zip to the conversation.

Me too, My Dad raced Fords in the late 50s and 60s, the reason we always owned fords was because repair parts were easy to come by and cheap.

Uh, my Q5 is far from perfect, it has more wind noise than my F-150 and is no where as comfortable on long trips. It has been back to the dealer for an installation error in the wheel well and a stereo that kept dumping my iPhone connection. Ford never once told me to change my brake fluid every 10000 miles or 2 years. I have less than 10K miles in 27 months and nearly $300 in service costs. It is a nice local car and we are keeping it as such, but gimme a break on how great it is. Yes, Audi does call every 6 months to ask how things are going and suggest expensive service...

Nothing going on now is normal. Maybe they will run them down the line and call them 2021 models. The folks I know who know, are very tight lipped right now, which just means they were threatened with their jobs. It also means slackers know they are safe because they won't fire anyone. Best place to find out right now is hang out around the bars and buy lots of rounds...

Any update on yours? Mine is Frozen in time.

I only have heard of two being delivered. My November production date only slid 3 weeks to Dec 5th.

No Change

So glad your decided to buy the awesome Expedition Platinum and post it on my thread about my GT order.

There has been no blown start, just folks who don't understand new product roll outs. You can run over to GM and pick up a new C8 Vette, oops they are being held for retrofit of updated parts, Guess Chevy blew the start of the new awesome Vette.

I still haven't seen any invoice or ship out. Should be getting the 2021 order guides soon. It will be an interesting January.

I would hope these haven't been held back to move the tax credits to 2020

Sorry to hear you still have water issues, ask the dealer politely to exchange it for a new one. If they balk or refuse, have an attorney write a polite demand letter to the dealer and Lincoln stating the roof leak was not fixed and you are worried the water intrusion will harm your health via mold/mildew and that you feel unsafe not knowing what electronic devices were effected and you feel your safety is compromised. The Lemon Law in Fl gives them three chances to fix the same problem, they also have to have it fixed using a total of no more than thirty days. Writing the letter now and sending it by certified mail (this is a must) lets them know you are serious and not just pee'd off. A good consumer Lawyer is worth every penny of a consult if your car is in the shop more than 30 days in the first year. Being water intrusion, you may want to talk to your insurance agent, they may send a specialist to look at it, after all they don't want to insure a lemon or have a payout if it causes an accident.