Oac98
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13 hours ago, silvrsvt said:
Hardly a shocker.
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3 hours ago, twintornados said:
I am just hopeful that Oakville gets a good product that sells well and with multiple vehicles, it would only bode well for OAC and Ford as well as her employees.
I really hope so, whatever they’re planning I hope this extremely long delay pays off for the long term. One vehicle doesn’t cut it as far as I’m concerned. One EV is still low volume
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2 hours ago, twintornados said:
With the delay of the 3 row EV SUV...I think seeing as Oakville is going EV, these would easily slide in as an addition to the delayed product
Akirby is right, we all know they’re slated for Louisville.I already knew that no chance would OAC get those products.
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On 6/4/2024 at 3:18 PM, twintornados said:
I am thinking Oakville with be at the forefront of that <no pun intended> charge....
Why do you think that? We aren’t getting the new affordable EVS. I assume a cheaper better battery is being engineered for the U759 and maybe the Lincoln U760 if they even do the Lincoln.
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On 5/25/2024 at 1:21 AM, jpd80 said:
Never a truer word said.
Baked in was Bill Ford’s desire for Ford to becoming a full line electric vehicle maker,
we know the story of successive CEOs trying and failing with clarifying product focus
to keep profits coming in but also open the door to the future, Ford needs balance.
It seems like good crisis actually makes Ford reset and prioritise, they do their best work
when the company’s future is on the line and that’s why I hope they make some big changes.
I certainly hope you’re right.
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On 5/22/2024 at 11:17 AM, rmc523 said:
I know it's random, but I wound up down a rabbit hole and looked at site member lists......what happened to @RichardJensen? I remember he was always around, and looks like he hasn't posted since pre-covid, hopefully he's alright!
And I then saw NickF's profile on there - miss that guy, loved his input on the board here. Haven't seen @PREMiERdrum in a while either!
Great post! I was wondering what happened to PREMiERdrum as well.
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1 hour ago, jpd80 said:
Absolutely true.
Honestly, if most people were given the choice, they’d probably pick a next generation
Edge over a Mach E simply because the change to BEV is just too much for most buyers.
When it comes to three row BEV clinic results, I think the decision was even more clear cut,
Ford knew that and with the current battery tech, it was on a hiding to nothing if released,
the Tesla X probably covers most of those would be buyers anyway
It would’ve been great to see a new edge hybrid and nautilus built at OAC as weve said ad nauseum here. I agree with you that ford had to go back to the lab with this u759 mystery product. I suppose they’re playing the long game and all of this is supposed to be for the better. I truly hope it is.
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2 hours ago, jpd80 said:
I feel for you guys now, hitting the delay button was just the easy decision for Ford
as I doubt that Farley really knows what to do now as that could change again by next year.
Oakville is such a big plant, it seems like a crime not to build multiple products, particularly
when Canada is an export hub for ROW markets.
I’m ok as I’m a veteran worker, it’s the people with the low seniority who are greater affected by this delay. I’m still extremely frustrated with Ford and some of Farleys decisions. I’m almost expecting the plan to change again because that seems to be the norm now. One EV product will not be enough volume for that plant. The Lincoln u760 is up in the air so I know there is only one product right now. From talk of 5 to 1 for now. The union kept saying there is a Ford and a Lincoln then a third product coming like 2028 or later. Ill believe this stuff when and if I actually see it.
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1 hour ago, akirby said:
They can’t close it they need the capacity. They just got caught out by some incredibly stupid product planning.You’re so right about the poor planning.
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11 hours ago, Trader 10 said:
I wonder if Ford will eventually announce that Oakville will be closed.
If they’re gonna close our plant they should just fuckin close it! Why wait?! They keep changing the plan anyways so why would we trust Ford??? Idling a plant for 3 years is complete and utter bullshit.
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3 hours ago, AM222 said:
Ford was just too over-optimistic about BEVs. Decisions were shortsighted with limited room for flexibility unlike its rivals.
- Ford just reported a massive loss on every electric vehicle it sold | CNN Business
Ford Europe is halfway into killing the ICE range it needs now. Next up, Focus, followed by the Kuga.
Ford's volume passenger ICE lineup in Europe after 2025, excluding the niche Mustang and the different size Transit/Tourneo vans.
Ranger
Puma
(possibly the rumored) New EcoSport
Stallantis did the smart thing for its European brands, many of its current generation (2019-onwards) small cars and crossovers were developed to have both ICE and EV versions from the start. Ford waited several years before it announced the Puma would get EV version.
Hyundai Motor Group has a larger range of both ICE & EV models, and most of these are global models.
I hope Ford sorts out this mess ASAP.I hope they sort it out sooner than later too as I’m impacted by this!
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18 minutes ago, balthisar said:
I've been away, but we're buying off the body shop tooling, and members of the OAC body shop launch team have been present. This is still a real program despite the delays. I can't account for every person on the launch team or their whereabouts all the time, but this is really business as usual, except for the fact that this stuff is going into storage as-is for this program. That's completely unusual. Seriously. No precedent.
Being laid off for up to 3 years on a retooling delay is no doubt unusual in regards to you talking about the storage of the machinery for this program. I just hope it’s a ford and a Lincoln or 2 Fords. I just feel like more than one product is needed. The info will come out when allowed.
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20 minutes ago, balthisar said:
It was heartbreaking to read the discussion here about OAC without being able to comment. The current okay-to-say information is that the program isn't cancelled. And from my experience, that's true. We're putting the tooling into storage rather than sending it to other programs. It really *is* a delay, and not a cancellation, from what I can tell at my level. If it were anything else, I'd just stay quiet, like I did for the last few months on this particular topic. There are some tool install related dates that I can't talk about on a public forum, but things are more positive than the dates that are currently public.
Because I've always been a conservative, boring car guy that was, despite this, interested in sleepers. Now I'm a middle-aged guy with a bit of discretionary income that wants something a bit more fun than my current Premium, and I no longer care about keeping a low profile. If you see me with ugly, white wheels, bright yellow paint, a tail fin, and racing stripes, I'm _not_ calling for attention – I simply don't care to hide any more! The Rally is finally the car that that lets me look like a douche, but have the performance to deserve it. That's probably not the image the Ford wants, but I'm Gen X – flaunt it if you got it, and the Rally finally gots it (sic).
I appreciate your response. I know you can’t say more than you’re allowed. I believe you that things are delayed but gonna happen. If Ford were closing the plant then I feel they would’ve outright just closed it and not play around. My hope is that we’re back earlier than 2027. I can only hope if not I hope that this delay is worth it and for the better. Whatever Ford chooses to do.
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1 minute ago, sullynd said:
Thank you!I own a 2010 Flex (giving to a friend for his teen) and 2015 Edge (will be my sons when he gets his license in a few months) - both have been outstanding cars.
You’re welcome! Sad to see everything gone, it almost feels like a plant closure with the duration of downtime we’re facing!
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1 hour ago, balthisar said:
Markets and pricing are hard. I'd love a three row SUV. I was REALLY looking forward to U759. I'm not as price-sensitive as most of the market, and so it's probably good to pay attention to most of the market than to me, for the corporate perspective.
Edit: I have a 2021 Mach E, and my 2024 Mach E Rally is on the way. But I need something bigger, too.
Also, you probably have to adhere to non disclosure so I don’t expect much information from you. It’s clear that you’re part of the program.
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1 hour ago, balthisar said:
Markets and pricing are hard. I'd love a three row SUV. I was REALLY looking forward to U759. I'm not as price-sensitive as most of the market, and so it's probably good to pay attention to most of the market than to me, for the corporate perspective.
Edit: I have a 2021 Mach E, and my 2024 Mach E Rally is on the way. But I need something bigger, too.
I really really hope you guys do a Lincoln version. There was a u760, I hope that also becomes a reality in like 3 years!
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R.I.P North American Edge!
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End of the line for the Edge at OAC, it was a great 17 year run!
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3 hours ago, akirby said:
First, I understand these types of situations with contractual obligations and why Ford would not say anything publicly yet. Delaying the products 2 years gives them plenty of time to figure out what they want to do and do all the behind the scenes work before they make a public announcement.Second, Farley made it clear the future bet is on affordable EVs and even with new batteries I’m not sure 3 row vehicles would fit that description.
Third, he said there will be a big push on ICE Hybrids.
So IF the new EVs go to Louisville as rumored or to Mexico and they don’t do the 3 rows then OAC is available and the 2024 Nautilus is a big hit and would make a lot more profit if made in NA. It would also give them flexibility for C2 overflow. And support a hybrid C2 redesigned Edge. And maybe we’ll see a hybrid mondeo and zephyr at Flat Rock.
Now I could be totally wrong and they will build the 3 rows as planned plus the others and leave Nautilus in China and ignore Edge. Wouldn’t be the first time they missed an opportunity.
I agree it should be the C2 Edge Nautilus. I still believe the 3 row thing is happening I hope somehow they get a hybrid into our plant whenever we reopen. The plan will likely change again, I hope it’s for a greater good. I agree that an empty plant and 3 years downtime is more than enough to figure out whatever the heck they’re gonna do.
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54 minutes ago, akirby said:
Nothing like Fordauthority recycling an old story. Nothing new here. I think the 3 rows are dead and Ford is still trying to decide what to put in Oakville. There is a case for C2 hybrid Nautilus and Edge and possible other C2 vehicles but there are contractual and government commitments that have to be considered. Other EVs are still possible but those are likely even further out.
I like what you’re saying but I have a question. You seem strong in your belief that the 3 rows are dead, why do you believe this is the case. Farley just blabbed on about battery chemistry, I like your scenario better but it seems they are still working on these products.
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1 hour ago, joseodiaga4 said:
THREE-ROW FORD EXPLORER EV DELAYED DUE TO BATTERY COST
Early last month, FoMoCo announced that it was delaying the production start date of both the three-row Ford Explorer EV for North America (not the existing European model), as well as the next-generation Ford F-150 EV pickup. At the time, the reasoning behind this decision was simple – the automaker wants to focus on getting smaller, cheaper EVs to market first, starting with a $25k crossover riding on a new, low-cost platform that’s set to launch in 2026. However, when speaking during the automaker’s Q1 2024 earnings call with investors, CEO Jim Farley also revealed that something else played a role in the delay of the Ford Explorer EV, specifically.
“And we’re being very consistent about our discipline on profitability. We expect every one of our EVs to make money in the first 12 months, and that is a very disciplined process,” Farley said. “In fact, we delayed the launch of our three-row crossover, which is a great product, two years, not only to match the slower growth in EV but more importantly to take advantage of new battery chemistry and formats to substantially reduce the cost of the batteries for that vehicle. We’ll do everything it takes to be profitable in the first 12 months of our vehicles.”
The forthcoming North American Ford Explorer EV is slated to be produced at the Oakville Assembly plant in Canada, and the retooling of that same facility is set to begin soon following the end of Ford Edge production. That process will still move on as previously expected, but Ford’s decision to delay the production start date of the Explorer EV drew the ire of the Canadian union Unifor, which is working with the automaker to mitigate the impact of this two-year delay on its workers there.
https://fordauthority.com/2024/05/three-row-ford-explorer-ev-delayed-due-to-battery-cost/
I just finished today and body shop is now empty. The last of the Edges will be done tomorrow. It was a great run. I hope this 3 row is successful for us whenever Ford refines the batteries.
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On 4/17/2024 at 9:20 PM, balthisar said:
Aside from the motors, it's the size of the conductors and the number of parallel connections to the battery. Without getting into the physics, if you can get power from the battery to the motors faster, the car can accelerate a lot faster (and charge a lot faster). Battery size doesn't matter, strictly speaking, but a larger battery offers more parallel connections, so it matters practically. Fast launches aren't a detriment like ICE, other than the heating of the conductors. Current heats the conductors, which increases resistance, which heats things more, thus the 5 second limitation on Mach E GT. Importantly, you're not wasting electrons in the same way that you're wasting gasoline by dumping it into the cylinders. Efficiency, other than conductor losses, is the same.
It's a shame that EV's have become politicized. If you want to have fun, an EV is the best way to do it. I can't wait until my Rally arrives and I can turn in my Premium.
I heard the OAC launch team is back in Dearborn, any truth to this?? If you’re allowed to divulge.
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53 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said:
I’ve just about reached the point where my a-plan will never be used for myself again.Totally understandable!
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3 minutes ago, Andrew L said:
The 3.5 regular and 3.5 EcoBoost and 3.7 in FWD form only have internal water pumps if they fail and you don't catch it in time you need a new engine. If you do catch it in time its a partial engine disassembly to get it done. It's not a cheap fix at all. The 2.0T had coolant intrusion issues I am not sure if that has been fixed yet or not but apparently in 2015 or 2016 they changed the design and if you get coolant intrusion you need a new engine no ifs ands or buts. Ask my friend who had a 2018 MKZ. 69k miles and his car needs a new engine, Ford/Lincoln were not willing to help out at all he was 1 month past warranty but still under the miles.
All of this stuff has shaken my faith in Ford. They are still my preferred brand but I have to really think carefully if I do buy another car. Thankfully that won't be anytime soon, I am very happy with my current fleet.
I feel the same way, Ford is my first choice as I work for this corporation but my loyalty is waning abit. I have an old Ford and I plan on driving it as long as I can
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Might be water under the bridge for you but I’m affected directly by their garbage decisions.