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5 hours ago, Gurgeh said:
Thanks jay for all you and your fellow autoworkers have done to make the MKX/Nautilus so great. I wish the redesigned Nautilus was still going to be made by you all, but at least there will still be a great Ford/Lincoln product available in North America that meets my needs (luxury two-row, mid-sized crossover), and my excitement of getting the 2024 Nautilus I have on order early next year will be layered with some sadness for the 2019 I'll be giving up.
You’re welcome I’m sad to see the Nautilus go and I wish they kept the Nautilus here. I can only hope the BEV vehicles we get are as good as the Edge/Nautilus have been. Edge done April 2024.
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On 11/9/2023 at 12:11 PM, RedHoncho01 said:
There are a couple of things going on. Oakville is winding down production of the 2023 Nautilus and will build it out by the end of December. China began building the 2024 Nautilus in mid-September.
As of this morning, the EPA still hasn't issued MPG ratings for the 2024 Nautilus. Likewise, NHTSA and IIHS have not issued crash test ratings. Until these two key pieces of data are available, there will be no window stickers for the vehicles and this would keep them from clearing customs.
Since the plant in China is near their east coast, vehicles will go via cargo ship to the US and Canada on our west coasts. Once in North America, the vehicles will have to ship via rail and finally by convoy to the dealerships. I would anticipate the shipping to take several months dependent upon your location. Everything I have read said they will be available in the first quarter of 2024.
After building 578,383 MKX/NAUTILUS production ended at OAC Wednesday, December 6th. It was a great run and I hope you guys get your Chinese Nautilus shipped in a timely manner.
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32 minutes ago, jpd80 said:
https://media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/North America/US/2021/12/02/ford-sales-21-november.pdf
So glad that Mach E sales recovered to 4,294
F Series total sales down to 53,069, a consequence of the strike action?
The strike at Kentucky Truck Plant had to have an effect on the sales figures one would assume. They were down for at least 2 weeks I believe.
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1 hour ago, rperez817 said:
Ford Motor Company November 2023 U.S. sales numbers are in the document link. F-150 Lightning sales were up 113% in November, F-Series overall were down about 4%. PowerPoint Presentation (q4cdn.com)
In case the link doesn't work, the PDF is attached to this post as well.
I see Bronco and Explorer sales down due to uaw strike and other factors with Explorer.
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1 hour ago, rperez817 said:
Ford Motor Company November 2023 U.S. sales numbers are in the document link. F-150 Lightning sales were up 113% in November, F-Series overall were down about 4%. PowerPoint Presentation (q4cdn.com)
In case the link doesn't work, the PDF is attached to this post as well.
Good too see Lightning sales increasing. Just a bit of info, Lincoln Nautilus production at OAC ends this week the last units are going through body shop as we speak. They should be done in final assembly by Wednesday or Thursday.
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1 hour ago, T-dubz said:
Neither of those projections (600k in 2024 or 2M in 2026) are going to happen in the timeframes mentioned. I’m not even sure if 200k in 2024 is possible.
OAC will not be online for BEV production til sometime in 2025. Original time frame was December 2024 to start early production. I don’t believe Ford and I believe we won’t start building prototypes til 2025. BOC not online til 2025 so I agree they will not be hitting 600000 of anything in 2024 in terms of EVs!
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2 hours ago, rperez817 said:
Blue Oval City is expected to open in 2025, and Ford stated that it expects to have 600,000 units/year run rate for BEV sometime in 2024 (previously, they expected to achieve that goal in 2023 but pushed it forward a year or so) and 2,000,000 units/year run rate by 2026. That's for all Ford BEV, not just F-150 Lightning. But it certainly suggests that F-150 Lightning sales alone can and should exceed 12,000-15,000 units/month. Twice or even 3 times that volume by 2025 for F-150 Lightning alone is quite possible.
Absolutely not gonna happen. Projections have been lowered.
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8 hours ago, Chrisgb said:
Maybe they think the aero 3-row will be the next Gen 1 Taurus. A front wheel drive, with no grille, and rounded corners. Back in '85, "Frumpy Angular" was the trend. Cars like the Plymouth Caravelle, Chevrolet Celebrity, and Ford's own LTD ('83-'86 midsize). That car turned out pretty well, but I think I'm not alone in growing tired of steeply raked windshields and 3-acre heatsink dashboards.
Honestly I just hope the public likes them, I know that our launch at OAC will be a long low volume situation.
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8 hours ago, silvrsvt said:
Because all your going on is people’s options…I’m sure the same was said about the 1986 Taurus too.You’re correct, I know nothing about how these vehicles look other than what is being said in this forum.
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14 hours ago, jpd80 said:
Best guess at the moment, none of those are planned to arrive before 2028,
Ford has heavily prioritised next Gen BEV F150 that it’s dominating everything
but given the collapse in interest, maybe Ford has to rethink the balance of its plan.
The reason that Ford is slowing its battery plant by 43% is due to several reasons but the
main one is the sleek aero 3- row Utilities planned for Oakville have been poorly received
in research clinics. Ford is ignoring that and intends to just lower expected sales projections
instead of selling a boxy three row that buyers want- they actually redesigned away from that.
So why on earth is Ford forcing out products that may bomb?? I don’t get it!
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1 hour ago, ice-capades said:
No doubt. Per usual, production will ramp up slowly based on production quality factors, customer reaction and demand, pricing, etc.
Yup all those factors come into play.
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8 minutes ago, Deanh said:
demand whether ip or down ahs a direct correlation with production numbers....but judging by what we are recieving in the way of truckloads I think theres a two month communication delay...we are getting Lightnings like crazy, thankfully cheaper XLTs which are still moving VERY slowly, but at least they are moving...
As long as their moving and I agree with what you’re saying
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Yup I totally misread that! It’s not 200000 to start it’s 100000 lol!
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7 minutes ago, Deanh said:
well theyve cut back for obvious reasons but hopefully if the market turns...and itsfickle for sure...at least they can up capacity if necessary...
Ok so I need to correct my information here. The plant will have the CAPACITY to build 200000 units but they expect to build 100000 a year when we start. That info could change now that they’re scaling back so until Ford really sheds light on the situation that’s all I know.
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59 minutes ago, silvrsvt said:
Yeah I think that number is a bit of a pie in the sky...
Ford sold roughly 65K Mach Es between Europe and the USA last year.
I seen the projection on automotive news Canada concerning Oakville. As for Mach E the projection also increased to 200000 plus units but that’s not happening right now. We all know that the OAC future products have been bounced around several facilities prior to landing at OAC. Cuatitlan Assembly was supposed to build Mach E along side these two GE2 7 seaters as we’ve discussed in this group many times.
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2 hours ago, silvrsvt said:
Is there a link or any other info for the expected sales or maybe they are talking about total plant capacity? At one point they where talking like 4-5 different EV products at Oakville, so I think at this point in time there is no good baseline rumor to even venture a guess at what they'll actually do.
The projection is or was 200,000 for let’s just call them explorer aviator EV FOR NOW. At 2020 contract they said 5 vehicles now it’s 2 with a potential 3rd product down the road according to union during online ratification vote.
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2 hours ago, T-dubz said:
I don’t remember exactly, but I thought ford’s original estimate was something like 150-200k a year for the ford and Lincoln combined. Lincoln’s sales will be minimal so that means ford is expecting most of those sales coming from the ford. Besides the f150 and explorer, ford doesn’t really have a vehicle that currently sells in the 150-170k/yr range. For reference, mach e is at 28k at the end of the 3rd quarter this year. Explorer is at 138k (probably finish around 170k) and it’s one of the best sellers in the segment. I’m not sure how ford thinks this will basically do the same volume as explorer.
I am also anxious to see it as well. Seems like it was forever ago that the first pic was shown. Maybe it’s better than we are thinking. Who knows.
Yeah, this is the only thing I can think of too. Maybe it catches on with the environmentalists like the Prius did?
I can’t help but be skeptical those numbers will be achieved. I don’t know shit, I’m just saying how I feel. The brains of the ford operation must know something we don’t lol.
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1 hour ago, T-dubz said:
That’s what I’m saying. IMO this is an experiment and a bad one at that. It’s going to sell in low volume regardless of how good it is as a ev based on its possible polarizing looks. Even with the mustang name and a more traditional look, the mach e isn’t selling well. That doesn’t bode well for this crazy shaped vehicle. I think it’d be lucky to even meet the mach e’s sales figures, which is much lower then the ancient edge that OAC is currently making.
if aero design is what people wanted, why are all the manufacturers coming out with large ev trucks and SUVs that look like bricks? Those are what people want and will pay a lot of money for so that is what the manufacturers and building.
Ford doesn’t think it’s gonna sell low volume, or are they gonna scale back their projections now that they’re slowing down their plans. I can’t wait to actually see what it looks like I wonder when the hell Ford will shed more light on this project. I already predict a slow start up so I won’t be surprised if I’m right. I can see and one shift start up with maybe both shifts coming in on and two week off and on schedule in the beginning. When we had our ratification online meeting they mentioned a possible third product in a few years.
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20 minutes ago, T-dubz said:
If it’s as bad as we all think, it would be better for everyone long term. Yeah, it’s gonna suck short term for OAC, but would you rather get a good selling product in there sooner, or stick with this low volume ev for several years?
We need good products, ours are long in tooth and heading out. Last thing we need is low volume here.
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51 minutes ago, Willwll313wll said:
Some would say the Cybertruck goes too far. I think it went as far as it could and they would probably go farther if they reasonably could. I think that's a good thing, when done right of course, not going far just for the sake of going far. Shake up the market. Push design. Take real risk. Be innovative. Be unconventional. I'm excited to see if Ford/Lincoln delivers with the 3rows and project T3.
Well let’s hope they deliver some great products.
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1 hour ago, DeluxeStang said:
Farley thinks he's Elon Musk. He sees how the futuristic and strange designs for Tesla have worked for them and assumes it will work for Ford as well. He seems to have gotten in his head that new EVs have to be overly futuristic, not a smart strategy imo. It's good to differentiate your ICE and EV models, but it seems like they're going to far with it.
I will brace myself for disappointment as we get the scraps of Fords designs lol.
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22 minutes ago, rmc523 said:
There's a difference between "ugly unique" and "attractive (or decent) unique"
C-Max fell under the former category, IMO - ugly might be a strong word, but it certainly wasn't attractive....
I suppose it will get revealed next year so we can judge for ourselves if this vehicle looks even half decent. The Lincoln sounds like it will at least but Lincoln isn’t big volume.
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54 minutes ago, akirby said:
I believe the reason it looks funky is due to maximizing aerodynamics to reduce battery cost. They don’t have to worry about that on the Lincoln.
So it depends on how much that works and even if it yields a significant advantage - will people buy it if they hate the styling? They tried that to some extent with the CMax Energi to compete with the funky looking Prius but that didn’t work.
Funky doesn’t have to mean ugly though.
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1 hour ago, T-dubz said:
It’s probably better that no one likes it and it’s a huge failure. Sometimes you have to learn the hard way.
Wonder why they didn’t try to do a concept of this new design to gauge public reaction?
Better for who??? Won’t be better for OAC if this Flops.
2024 Nautilus Availability
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You’re welcome and wow that’s awesome 4 Edges that’s really great. Sad to see that these vehicles are going but I suppose they’re Dinosaurs now in this transitionary time we are living in.