Ralph Greene
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Some people say to just run the car hard occasionally, helps keep it cleaned out. But to my way of thinking, hi RPM use would just create more blow by fumes to EGR , and increase the problem . Cleaner in gas tank might help keep injectors clean, but this is a problem caused by direct injectors injecting fuel directly into combustion chamber, whereas old port injected engines misted fuel directly into ports and over backs of valves, and kept the valves clean. Maybe nothing to worry about, or just a service item.
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Just wondering if this is really a big problem? We have a 2022 Nautilus with 2 L Turbo. Dealer service guy says he doesn't usually see problem until 75,000 miles or so. And they use a chemical process to clean out engine. Believe a Wynn product. 3 step process. Local BMW dealer seems to prefer hand cleaning....blasting with walnut media. My service guy just says this is a service item on 2 L engine. Just something you do. The Ford Ecoboost V6 and V8's have dual injectors....where port injection keeps the backs of the valves mostly clean. Have noticed Toyota and Hyundai both use dual injectors to avoid this issue. Have also read the Mustang 2.3 Ecoboost for 2024 will also get updated to dual injectors. Imagine that engine will work it's way into Explorer and other vehicles. Wonder if a de contented Aviator will also get that engine? In a lower trim level. It will have adequate tq. Something to replace the Nautilus?
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My wife has had her 2022 Standard Nautilus 2.0 engine and FWD since April of this year. it has been driven about 3000 miles, all urban driving.
Today we took the car on a day trip....over 300 miles of 98% Interstate driving....to Jacksonville (FL) area. (Amelia Island)
Is the dash estimate of fuel economy anywhere near accurate? If so.....I am amazed by this vehicle's fuel economy. Trip 2, which I zero'd out beginning of trip, said constant highway MPG driving in the 65-75 MPH range was 33 MPG. The dash has always said wife's fuel economy in urban driving is 22-23 MPG. Now to be honest....we are careful drivers, and usually drive with an eye toward saving fuel. But we don't hold traffic up either. I also filled the tank full at a Buc--ee's (fun place) on way back,, zero'd out trip 1, and drive back about 75 miles on all hwy driving....again 33 MPG, much of it at 75 MPH. Also....it just idles at 73-74 , around 2000 RPM (near as I can read the tach). And has adequate power for our use. If it was one of my past Mustangs, probably would say not enough power, but for our use of this vehicle, and where we use it, would not pay for a bigger engine using more fuel. And we're not necessarily picky about fuel costs, we just like to conserve. That little 2.0 engine makes 280 ft lbs tq at 3000 RPM, and can propel this 4200 lb (plus passengers) vehicle just fine. It has "tall" trans axle gearing for good fuel economy, but 8 speed trans can down shift for more tq with just a slight pressing of the throttle. Impressive engineering. Do wish it had dual injectors (like larger Ford engines) to clean carbon off the valves and intake, but guess I can do a carbon cleaning when necessary.
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Up date on hood alignment issue.....Local dealership (Parks Lincoln) fixed it. Was in body shop over night, they gave me an Enterprise Rental loaner (BMW 330I....over complicaed controls and hard to get in and out of....over rated small sedan seemed to me) Could not ask any dealership to do more.
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My wife's standard model with 2.0 is now a little over1 month old. The vehicle computer says she is averaging about 22 MPG in urban driving on 87. Don't know trip mileage yet. For our use, it has plenty of power, but do wish it had the dual injectors of the 2.7. Imagine some day will be doing maintenance to clean the carbon build up out. No port injectors to wash over the pistons. Shouldn't have problem on 2.7.
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I wish the 3.0 V6 Ecoboost was an option. Offered between the 2.3 and 5.0. That could easily make more HP and torque than the Explorer versions. Make it more of an M3 competitor.
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That's the only flaw I have found on her car. When standing in front....the seam between hood and fender is about twice as much on driver side as passenger side. The hood almost touches the fender. It's very noticeable and bugs my wife. Is there any adjustment that dealership can make to this? I'm not taking about a difference one would need a micrometer to notice either. Am I being too "picky"? Otherwise vehicle seems well made.
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I don't think going into the corner that fast, obviously to hit him from behind, reflects well on Logano. And I can hear him now crying when he gets it done back to him.
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No worries....I appreciate your response. My underhood is exactly like akirby. There is a nice little bolt there just like his pic shows. That question was bugging me. I'm retired from Merrill Lynch, didn't learn much automotive there. Lots of practical stuff I don't know. Now....if you want to buy some futures contracts on pork bellies....well...at one time I did that. In my old age, I'm impressed by people who know about stuff and how to do things. Lots of us know a lot about useless things in retirement.
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Thanks guys! I looked all over the written owners manual and the digital one. And the manual from NACO. They just keep saying exposed metal part or somilar.
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I carry a NOCO GB40 battery jump starter in back of wife's vehicle. Have rarely had to use it on past vehicles, because she just buys a new battery every 3 years. But have used it on other people's vehicles to get them started.
When looking over her new Nautilus, I see you can't get to neg terminal on battery and use it as a ground, it's way back in engine compartment. So what ground point do you guys use? Is there a ground point designed on the vehicle? Not much exposed metal I can reach with the short cables that come with the NACO GB40. The bolt on top of the strut tower is exposed and can reach. Would that work? A better place in that general area? I have read that some vehicles have designated ground points built in place. Electricity is not something I'm knowledgeable about. Thanks
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After my Local Ford dealership (Central Florida) refused to sell us a loaded up Edge Titanium at X plan, the local Lincoln dealership did 2 weeks ago. So was able to buy a new 2022 Lincoln Nautilus at X plan cheaper than the loaded up Edge, although the Edge did have a couple features not on our Nautilus with premium package. Got a $1000 rebate also.
The sales guy said they usually sell a Nautilus at MSRP plus $899 dealer fee these days. My X plan had a $75 dealer fee. I totally know you never out trade a car dealer, but I was satisfied with the sale and what they gave me for a 10 year old Edge with 81,000 miles. Parks Lincoln in Longwood, Fl is a very nice dealership. They are very transparent in their dealings.
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Yes features are nice. Our 2012 Limited Edge had most of these, but in slightly different form. I think these controls are more logical. More like how a computer works. My ordered Weather Tech mats and truck liner arrived, and will get a 2" receiver hitch on Wed for my US made 1UP bike rack.
akirby....I know you originally wanted the 2.7. Are you now OK with the 2.0? The 2.0 and 8 speed auto make a good combo I think. Car has more get up than I expected. But I live where it's flat.
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Thanks guys LOL....Found it....but it's not on the left side. It's on the right side of steering wheel, and had been turned off. When in display, trip 2 comes just after trip 1 on the toggle....when it's turned on. Have spent a lot of time sitting in garage studying this thing. Think I've got most figured out. I've had to turn a lot of the features on. On our car, all the left side controls do is change station and volume on radio. It seemed logical to me that if there was a trip 1, there would be a 2. And when you guys affirmed that, found it. We've had the car 2 weeks now, and all I have found to complain about is the gap on the hood is about twice as wide on passenger side as the drivers side. Maybe dealer can adjust some of that out when I go in.
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It's a standard model and I know it lacks some of the features of the higher levels. But on the speedo screen wife uses "trip 1". But if there is a "1", where is trip 2? Mostly curious.
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One thing I would mention is front seat comfort. And the contour of the front seats on the standard Nautilus model. I'm 5' 10" and 165 lbs, and the front seats fit me perfectly. Holds me in place just right, without being too snug. If I was a large person, I would check out these seats to make sure you will be comfortable. And maybe the upper levels have wider seat backs.
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On 4/25/2022 at 6:46 PM, escapeman said:
I have a 21 Nautilus with both the 2.7 as well as the 201a package and live in Ontario.
I had a 19 Nautilus with the 2.0 Turbo as well as the 201a package , and when the lease was up got the 21. First hand I will tell you that I prefer the Turbo 2.0 to the 2.7 . The 2.0 is a quieter engine at both acceleration as well as at cruising speed. The only advantage that the 2.7 has is that it is smoother at idle, and dead silent. The 2.7 is loud at acceleration and everyday driving. Hands down a 2.0 Nautilus is a much nicer driving car in almost every way. Only reason I got a 2.7 is it was a deal at the time I could not refuse, and can turn in the car after 12 months no questions asked, even with my new lease. I fully recommend to anyone a Nautilus with the 2.0.
My wife just got a standard FWD 2.0 2022 Nautilus almost 2 weeks ago. For the way we intend to use the vehicle, the 2.0 is more than adequate. It's noticeably quicker, with lots more low end tq, than the 3.5 Limited Edge it replaced. The only time I notice any engine roughness is when it restarts with the stop n go feature. Otherwise quiet and smooth. And i'm an old hot rodder who likes his power. But this is not that kind of vehicle. We don't intend to tow anything, and don't live where it is hilly. And rarely drive on 2 lane roads, so passing power not of any consideration. And rarely go anywher fully loaded. The 2.0 has more power than most would think. It has a sort of BMW sound (that impresss my grown kids who drive BMW's). I even think it has enough power to handle the extra weight of AWD if I lived in snow country. I'm sure the 2.7 is nice, but if you don't want to pay for it, and the AWD that is required with it, the 2.0 is fine.
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I'm a reasonably competent computer literate 80 year old. But haven't yet figured out why using my phone as a key is beneficial to me. And I don't think of myself as a retro grouch. I embrace most new tech, buy it, etc. I use my I phone for lots of things, investments, communications, etc. And the Lincoln Way site won't let me in. I've used old sign ins from years ago. Tried Ford.com. Tried to reset password. Have tried to start over with sigh in and password. it keeps saying "something not right". I give up for a while.
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Thanks...no one told me that. And I have been all over the digital owners manual. And the simple one they provided me.
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Just curious why wife's new 2022 Nautilus has what appears to be a door lock, looks like it has one, but she didn't get an actual key. Sure....she doesn't really need one....she can open door with FOB or combo lock on side. But strange Ford would put a lock there for no purpose. Thanks for your patience.
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It asked me to connect to my home wifi system and schedule a time for updates. Which I did. But I'm not sure they are talking about map updates. I got 3 years of free connected services with the purchase of the vehicle, services I'm not particularly interested in. Fuel prices, restaurants ahead, hotels ahead, stuff like that. Not interested in using my phone as a key either. Car has so many ways to open doors now....having fob in pocket and touching handle, etc. Have spent a lot of time in car sitting in garage going thru the owners manual on the dash. I'm thinking I'll still have to pay for map updates out in the future. I know I can project phone to screen etc. I wonder if I'm missing a booklet from sales team about how all this works.
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Yes....Sync 4. My previous 2012 Limited Edge had a lower level of Sync, for which I had to buy map updates every few years and installed thru a small SD chip port. Guess tech has improved in 10 years LOL
So you are saying, in addition to any updates for the CPU, my maps will periodically get updated with new roads, etc? Great! Am capable of using my phone for Nav if necessary, but love that big screen on the dash. Am liking this new Nautilus more and more. Thanks for info!
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Keep reading about some automatic updates. How does it do that? No SD chip port I can see. So it must do it another way. Thru paired phone, thru the Lincoln app, thru some inbedded modem, etc. Not much in owners manual about this, or on the online info screen in car. Also can't find any info about a maintenance schedule, although I don't really need one. Am I missing some documents or small booklets? Nothing in printed owner manual about this. Can't find it on screen. Thanks
Carbon Build Up
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Your engine has dual injectors. Both direct and port. The port mists fuel over backs of valves, and mostly eliminates the problem. The carbon build up problem has been occurring on vehicles that only have direct injection. And I have read of problems on Audi, MB, And BMW vehicles more than Ford engine vehicles with direct injection only. BTW....Most Hyundai and Toyota vehicles have dual injection also.