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Thats it? Thats all you got? “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”Socrates

Leave a legacy. Yeah they will put up a plaque dedicated to his 100 years of service. Its always a great idea to keep working until your sick or die. To hell with retiring when you are still in great shape, keep working until you cant drive anymore. Then retire to the nursing home. That guy you said is leaving a legacy and not living a life doing nothing? Guess what working your whole life until you die IS a life doing nothing.

Probably? More like definitely. Livonia hasn't hired a single production worker in the last 17 years.

No area bumps. Lines run traditional shifts, three shifts now in 10R until other area gets back online. Machining is 4 crew, which means you will work every other weekend for straight time. 6R is going away in a few years. Overtime is limited. 24 years will not get you day shift. With all the transfers you will be on afternoons for a long time. A/C is a recent addition, because everything is computerized and needs a constant temp.

Would you hug and kiss the people coming in to take your job? The low people at Livonia are sick and tired of you people coming over. And now if anything happens, like Trump starting a war, you people get to stay and we will get laid off. Its only a matter of time until it happens. But keep acting like you never fucked anyone over by transferring.

Your 17 years will get you afternoons for the rest of your life. You are getting new product stay and wait on it.

40 hours. Its not an assembly plant. They only have crews in 6R machining and that's going away. So dont transfer there.

yeah right, Why else be so mad over this. I'm sure the rents late on his shithole trailer.

Living check to check huh?

And yet out of the 300+ MAP people that came to Livonia only 91 had the balls to show up and vote. Again, 91. You fail to realize not many people even care about how the union is ran. Only you dumb fucks are the ones crying about change. All 91 of you. You pissed off every Livonia worker and retiree, and even in defeat are still talking shit.

Hey dummy, 108 retirees showed up to vote. You only had 91 people show to vote in favor of it. You wouldn't have passed it if no retirees voted. Fixed?? We split the room and you lost. Deal with it. The only attacks we need to fight off are from you MAP assholes. Ive said it before and Ill say it again, why did you dip shits leave MAP if it was so great over there?? You had this system over there and you left.

Because its the same you idiot.

This explains it to you. Mr 70 years old with 38 years is a fucking moron. http://uawlocal2250.com/pdf%20files/GM_Work_or_Retire.pdf Look at the overtime example: thirteen hours a week of overtime, plus 40 hours of regular pay, minus taxes, PSP and expenses, comes out to about $4,728, compared to $3,810 to not work. Net difference for 53 hours a week (not counting travel to and from work) is about $918 a month. Is this exciting? Claudio’s making $4.00 per hour working here.

This. These guys dont even realize they are making around 4 bucks an hour.

So some fool is 70 and still coming to work is something to be proud of? You idiots are institutionalized. I guess he feels like he is going to live forever and still has time to do other things I dont care to hold a candle to some dumbass still working at 70. He will die on the line. Never spending a dime of his pension. BTW the time to retire IS when you feel good and are in good health. Fucking idiot. Waste the good years you have left working when you can go out and live while you still can.

Exactly.

Im sure his way is so much better. He has been in what, 4 other plants so far? Its all about him and his asskissers.

And they bitch about everything.

Because they are assholes.

Unless I missed something we havent received retro pay yet right?

Must be nice. those 170 punted people to afternoons at Livonia and stopped many from going to days. Some that have worked afternoons for 15 years.

If I had 25-30 years why in the hell would I leave my plant voluntarily? Especially for one that is 10 minutes away? Most guys with 25-30 years have day shift and decent jobs, unless you are at Livonia. 20 years gets you midnights or afternoons on the line. Guys with 15-20 years had no status and that was BEFORE you people came over. Some guys that hired in 2000 have never been on day shift and now never will. This was their only hope that they would get new hires or low people under them. Imagine facing working 30 years and never getting the shift you want. Because thats what you MAP people did to Livonia.

Hey Einstein, the low seniority WOULD HAVE WENT TO LIVONIA instead of all the high people.

Exactly, Nobody that transferred to Livonia from MAP was in danger of getting laid off. None of them. They all left thinking they would get better jobs.

Livonia had a lot of capacity because of previous union regimes and division leadership. Ask yourself why was the plant empty and on the verge of closing when POWERTRAIN DIVISION AND THE NEW PRODUCT CENTER are on the grounds? Leadership funneled every new program that would fit to other plants and the union resisted new ideas like AWS. As soon as the heads of both retired, the work came flooding in. MAP people from day one had the plan to oust the current union leadership. Word on the floor is some jerkoff with 44 years is going to run for chairman. Livonia membership was told by plant and union leadership that in two years we would have any job or shift we want. Just wait it out. Instead we get high seniorty people, AGAIN, from another plant come in and immediately take all the good jobs that we have been waiting on. Doesnt matter how good you do your job, some guy with no experience and 5 minutes plant seniority can come in, bump you off your shift and ruin your life. So dont act surprised that no one likes you people and wish you never came here. Dont act like you know anything about whats been going on at Livonia. Youre not Livonia and you will never be Livonia. Everyone knows who you guys are. We know the Saline people, the Sheldon Rd people and the Wixom people.