Twin Turbo
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Nice guy. I met him in Vegas during the Mustang's 50th birthday celebrations. I do wonder if he ever got to "pen" anything though. The S550 was designed by Kemal Curic, although I guess Moray would have had input and final say.
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I like Jimmy Dinsmore and it was good of him to use his contacts within Ford to put some context around the Auto Forecast Solutions report. Thing is, AFS seem to be a reputable industry source so either they know something we don't (ie S650/'23MY has been cancelled) or something was lost in translation (which I suspect is what's happened).
I will be VERY surprised if S650/23MY has been cancelled as, timing wise, we should be very close to seeing prototypes on the road within the next 3 months.......assuming a spring reveal of the '23MY car with it starting production Sept/Oct 2022.
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Can't say as I'm surprised, there's been quite a lot of this lately. I do wonder though, is this such a bad thing? It gets people excited about future product and gets them plenty of internet exposure. I thought any press is good press
Now, can someone leak something about the S650 Mustang please
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5 minutes ago, jasonj80 said:
The most important question, Why would someone want to buy an ICE Mustang that has worse performance and higher ownership costs than electric vehicles in the class?
Soul. Something the V8 gives the Mustang. I don't listen to the stereo in mine, the V8 produces all the music I need. No amount of pumped in fake sound will ever be able to replace that.
I know an EV Mustang will be faster and cheaper to run, but many people buy Mustangs with their hearts, not their heads.
I'm not against an EV Mustang (well, at least one that keeps it pony car roots.......2+2, long hood, short deck, fastback or convertible)........but given the choice of a V8 or an EV, I'll take the V8 every time. When the V8 is no longer available, I'll embrace the EV version
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Yes, S650 is expected to be a heavy revision of S550 but I bet Ford claim it'll be all new and call it the 7th Gen when it launches in 2022.
Thing is, I'd expect Auto Forecast Solutions (thank you for the clarification, Autoline are, indeed, just reporting their news) to be aware of this, so it would have been clearer if they'd said the EV was coming for the 8th gen.
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Sorry, I didn't see this thread when I posted mine.
However, I don't know why Autoline keep referring to 2028 as the next gen Mustang when S650 is coming in 2022 as a '23MY!!!
I'd like to think there will still be a V8 option for the 8th gen (2028 or whenever)........but I guess the V8 has to die at some point
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Autoline Daily reporting on the "next gen" Mustang again.
They're still claiming the "next gen" won't appear until 2028..........and when it does it'll be EV only!
4m 30secs
http://www.autoline.tv/?fbclid=IwAR2gQpzXHe-v6GAdRafFKcNDF2aY3dZDOM2qYKVwK_sIp0YDKovaUpiTRVw
Something definitely doesn't add up though........S650 should be here in under 2 years ('23MY in 2022).......so why do Autoline daily think we won't see anything new until 2028? The EV bit? I can actually believe that, sadly, but I hope there are still ICE options. -
I know there are many reasons for Trademarking names (mostly just so no-one else takes it!)............but if we are getting a new T-bird, it'd better not be another EV SUV!!!!
The recent sculpture revealed in China had many believing that was a thinly veiled view of the next gen Mustang (personally, I really hope it is, because I think it's stunning!!) That being said, that sculpture had definitely has inspiration from the early T-bird.
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It was only just over a year ago (Nov 2019) that the UAW contract stated:
Flat Rock Assembly Plant — $250 million investment
- All new Mustang, including derivatives
- Lincoln Continental will continue through its product lifecycle.
I appreciate things change, but......
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4 hours ago, ExplorerDude said:
Sure....As I’ve said before the MY23 S650 is an all-new generation Mustang with a completely new tophat body on a modified platform, now known as D5. This platform will be heavily modified with some CD6 components mixed in. This generation (S650) is currently projected to have a lifespan of 8 model years and at Flat Rock as of now.
The generation after that is officially dubbed S750 and is expected to change platforms. It should launch as a MY31 and while I know that seems far away, it takes time to configure that into Fords future roadmap. CD6 may not be the platform of choice by then and it may move to another plant. Honestly hard to say where it will be by then. Lots of changes happening all the time.
Also next generation Nautilus is already done. Will be sold globally everywhere. Think RR Velar with Lincoln styling. I’m sorry to say however it won’t come from current plant. Nautilus will be built and sourced from China for global consumption.
Thank you, I really appreciate your response
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5 hours ago, ausrutherford said:
True, but it should at least be a 09-10 heavy update.
Exactly...........all new exterior and interior, whilst using the same underpinnings, albeit mildly updated.
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You were kind enough to give your insights on when S650 is due on a previous post.........can you add anything to this? Thank you
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6 hours ago, AGR said:
According to Auto Forecast Solutions, as quoted on Autoline Daily: all electric Corsair starts production at Oakville in 2026, Next all-new Mustang at Flat Rock in 2028
I'm assuming this is referring to the car after S650, which is due for the '23MY?
Surely there's no way Ford would let S550 run for another 8 model years??!!??
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Ford Authority stating its a '23MY vehicle............if their timescales are accurate, isn't it rather early to see a prototype?
Given how advanced this prototype looks, surely a late 2021 on sale date as a '22MY would be more accurate?
"Expect the next-gen Ford Ranger to go on sale in Australia in late 2022 or early 2023, with a global release toward the end of the 2022 calendar year for the 2023 model year"
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On 12/28/2020 at 7:01 PM, bzcat said:
Ford never said it was making a wagon. That was pure conjecture from the internet. It was always supposed to be a CUV.
I guess the fact they have been using a cut up Focus estate/wagon for the early mules led most to assume it would be an estate/wagon once it reached production
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Back on topic.............I'd imagine most cop cars don't have the engine idling simply so that can take off at a moments notice, it'll be because the cops are using radios/computers in the car, whilst also being cooled by the aircon or warmed by the heater. I wonder what impact that would have on an EV's charge.
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Whilst we obviously can't see the details with this camo.................one thing I will say, the Mondeo/Fusion (we also got the Mondeo estate) was a superb looking car, relatively low and sleek in a world where every other car is a bland, high-waisted SUV. This looks to be just another blob which. Its getting to the point that without seeing the name badge, its difficult to tell these things apart
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The '03/'04 was the ONLY Mach 1 with a standard shaker. It was either only optional, or not available on all other model years.
Besides, with this Mach 1 going global, there's no way it would have passed the pedestrian impact laws (EU Mustangs have an "active" hood that deploys upwards with the use of small explosives in the event of a pedestrian impact).
Besides, in trying to make it functional, it would likely have reduced performance, not increased it.
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With S650 due in 2022 as a '23MY, I don't expect any new models/changes for the current car, which must make this an early development mule for S650?
https://www.autoblog.com/2020/12/14/ford-mustang-spy-photos-awd-hybrid/
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Are those really 19" front brakes?
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I still find it hard to believe that Ford will put the 6.8 in a "regular" Mustang......i.e S650 when it comes out. In a world where automotive manufacturers are downsizing engines and moving to hybrids or EVs, will Ford really put an old pushrod V8 in the Mustang we know and love? In fact, if it's an iron block pushrod V8, I honestly can't see the advantage over the Coyote. OK, it'll have better torque, but power levels will be similar, and I'd imagine fuel economy and emissions will be nowhere near as good as the Coyote. Not mention the mess it'll make of the handling with a big heavy engine up front.
I can see them putting this is something truck based (perhaps even using the Mustang name......as the rumors state there will be a "family" of Mustangs)......but I just have a hard time seeing this in S650.
And, yes, I'm aware Dias stated the 6.8 will be "used in derivatives of Mustang and F150"......but.......
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As reported by https://fordauthority.com/2020/10/ford-has-no-plans-to-use-its-cd6-platform-for-smaller-vehicles-exclusive/
This supports what Explorerdude has previously posted, the S650 will utilize the existing DC2 architecture, but with elements from CD6.
From Ford Authority:
Ford Authority has exclusively learned from sources familiar with product plans that there are currently no plans to use the CD6 Platform for smaller vehicles, for example Ford Edge and Lincoln Nautilus replacements. In fact, the only forthcoming model that will utilize the platform is the next-gen, S650 2023 Ford Mustang, but from what we understand, that vehicle will not represent a “pure” implementation of of the CD6 architecture. Instead, the S650 pony will continue utilizing a specific platform with elements borrowed from CD6, as well as other models.
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ExplorerDude previously posted: "From what I’ve gathered and seen, yes the S650 will be launching for the 2023MY and it’s expected to use the same platform (D2C) which is now called D5. This was done for substantial cost savings. As it is the program is still pretty expensive.
But it’s expected to use many CD6 components. Again, apparently using all the CD6 components would’ve made it too big and too heavy. The S650 is basically a new top hat on the same platform with more CD6 components used"
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I was convinced we were getting a light refresh for the '21MY Mustang but, having seen pre-production '21MYs posted on the internet, it appears those spy shots were all of the Mach 1.
So, the '21 and '22 will be the same as the '18-'20. With S650 just two years away from production (assuming the leaked info showing it as a '23MY are still accurate), I guess that's not so bad.
I think, seeing those spy shots and the fact that the '13/'14 received a pretty significant face and butt lift made me, and others, assume the S550 would follow suit.
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Thanks Ice.......I know people are chomping at the bit for the Mustang Order Guides. Appreciate all your efforts here in keeping us informed
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Ford Lead Designer Moray Callum to retire.
in Ford Motor Company Discussion Forum
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As he's now "retiring", I wonder if he'll join his brother Ian at Callum Design.