Mister Bill

Please do not feed the trolls.

"I have not seen a platinum dually built in awhile." Ford is saving the best ones for last.

You tell dealer what you want, the dealer places an order for that spec truck, Ford builds it and sends it to the dealer. What you and the dealer decide on for the price is between you and the dealer. You are the dealers customer and the dealer is Fords customer. How is that confusing? The problem as it currently stands, Ford is not able to build the amount of trucks on order because of parts constraints. Dealers with 100 trucks ahead of yours has nothing to do with plant capacity or dealer allocation. Ford has the capacity to build 8500 trucks a week IF there is not a pandemic forcing shut downs, and IF they can source the parts. If parts were available, dealer order banks would remain close to zero and trucks would be getting delivered in 6-8 weeks.

Spot on. I'm amazed at how many people still refuse to believe this simple reality. Well said.

I am indeed a capitalist, I do not purchase anything from Amazon, I do support local businesses if they are honest and competitive, and I support your right to have a different point of view. Fixed pricing will do nothing to weed out unscrupulous dealers, it will only serve to prop up dealers who lack the business savvy to compete in a free and open market while raising prices for customers who choose to do the legwork and shop wisely. Price fixing is never in the best interest of the consumer.

Thank you for the clarification.

That's the problem. As you shared, there are honest dealers, and the not so honest dealers are whining loudly to Ford they cannot compete with the invoice pricing some dealers are offering. And Ford is listening to them, with the support of the anti-free market crowd. Under the proposed plan above, no one will be purchasing under MSRP, so your invoice price goes away. Buyers can and should always be able to vote with their feet.

Usually about a week or two before it goes into production. A link to the WS will be in the "in production" email or VVR at the dealer.

Well, you certainly are not coming across as a capitalist. ? That's the thinking of those who grew up under the participation trophy era, as it seems you are saying dealers should not be free to choose what they price vehicles at so it can be fair to under achieving dealers. No winners or losers, right? ? Price fixing is not a free market and is indeed the mindset of socialists. Springer Farms is not dictating to Kroger how much to charge for their chicken. Under your proposal, they would be. Loss leaders have been a sound business practice since the beginning of time. Because some people prefer not to travel, your saying those who do should be forced to pay a higher price to appease those who won't? Competition forces excellence. Saying someone's business model is stupid is quite biased and opiniated with no basis in fact. Let the free market decide. As for being stuck in a que, retail orders are incremental allocation. Without supply constraints, vehicles would be getting delivered in a timely fashion regardless of dealer volume.

Why would I be happy being forced to paying more at Granger because other dealers are price gouging or inept? I like dirt cheap pricing and excellent service. Granger is providing that in spades and doing quite well. Competitive pricing trumps fixed pricing any day of the week. That is, unless you are a socialist. Bite your tongue, young man. ?

You say that as if it is a bad thing, young'un.

Doesn't matter. You either sign a waiver before delivery accepting the vehicle without the feature, or you refuse to take delivery of the vehicle and the dealer transfers it to dealer stock. That is the only current option for the remaining model year if you are past the cutoff for the delete.

Further on in that thread it was said the testing was not successful and the mandatory delete was then implemented.

True, but unfortunately, the ratio of name matching before being dinged is 70/30. If dealers only name match 71%, nothing goes against them. Additionally, according to the FMC bulletin on COVP, orders older than 120 days are not bound to the name match requirement. The COVP rules protects the dealer more so than customers. FMC taking away allocations penalizes retail customers who have not yet been scheduled while the dealer gets to keep the vehicles they sell without honoring the rules. In reality, the only thing protecting COVP customers is the integrity of the dealer they choose.

You have already reduced yourself far below the level of saying the words butt massager.

If a truck does not get built, it is because of supply constraints, not allocation. I will take that bet.

FMC does not bump orders to the next model year. 100% BS.

Not at all. COVP scheduling can occur anytime on any day. In fact, the past two mass schedulings for Super Duty's were outside of a regular Thursday scheduling day.

Window sticker/invoice follows the vehicle, not the buyer who placed the order. Vehicles are invoiced at current pricing at the time they are built, not former pricing when they were ordered. The reason being, if the buyer who placed the order does not take delivery, the vehicle is then switched to dealer stock at current pricing. If Ford invoiced at the order date, the vehicle's window sticker/invoice would not be in line with current dealer stock pricing. Price protection is to protect the retail customer, not dealer stock inventory. This is why Ford reimburses the dealer only after they can confirm a name match. Ford is not at fault in this regard, dealers playing stupid to use the PP as added profit are the villains here.

They are not important to me. For some reason unbeknownst to me, they are important to the those who have to know where their vehicle is in the que every second from the time it is ordered until they pick it up. Where it is at on the assembly line, tracking rail cars every mile marker and wanting to know what the engineer had for lunch that day. I don't get it either, but I do seem to in the minority on this. I only know what the numbers mean because so many people are posting about them.

Top is the batch number. Your vehicle is scheduled to be the 175th to be built out of 434 total in that batch.

So, politics.

Someone is living right. Perfect timing!

I've seen you repeat this at least a thousand times, and it remains as true now as when you first said it. I question why FMC doesn't hold dealers to a higher standard of customer service with severe repercussions when they get "lazy". I understand the incentives, hold backs, dealer awards, etc., but in the end, it seems to be nothing more than political theater. Nothing ever changes for the better. Why is that?

Electronically signed DORA at time order was placed for 4% under invoice. The actual selling price of 4% under invoice plus doc fees was only given in an email. Dealer always referred to the email quote when asked about pricing. MSRP is not a factor in the offer. I’ll bite my tongue for now and just say it is appearing the method the dealer implemented to take and process orders was by design as to not have an actual legal binding contract which allowed them to build a large order bank to build future allocation from. The jury is still out, so we shall see in the end. This offer was not within the traditional way of pricing orders as you refer to.