fmccap Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 How about getting rid of health insurance, then you have 300 million different heads. If a procedure involves some anesthesia, making a couple of cuts, and sewing it back up, how come it costs so much? I believe that a sushi chef has equal skill. They now have the tools to make diagnoses very efficiently. Hospital stay is minimized. What used to require surgery can be done much more easily using lasers. The costs of medical procedures have decreased exponentially, along with the required skills to perform them. The costs to the patients, however have gone in the other direction. Everyone is afraid to die. They play that card to the hilt. I agree with that to. Well it should be your choice, if people want to pool together in an insurance that's there choice. I would like to develop a relationship with a doctor and when I need him I would pay him for what I need. No strings attached(government involvement), it would be between him and I. I don't know what some of these people think, But my health is my life and I would much rather make my own choices and not have someone else make them for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 I beleave that if insurance companies never came into existence than the cost of medical care would never have gotten so inflated. Your sounding silly again. If you believe that then you should not want government intervention, it is because of government intervention that they came into existence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious1Auto Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 (edited) Your sounding silly again. If you believe that then you should not want government intervention, it is because of government intervention that they came into existence. I've backed off of that position and am in suspense waiting for you to dazzle me with your educated plan to rectify the situation! Edited July 18, 2007 by Furious1Auto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 I've backed off of that position and am in suspense waiting for you to dazzle me with your educated plan to rectify the situation! What don't you understand????????????? Get the US Federal government totally out of healthcare. Leave it to the States and the people, where it should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious1Auto Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 What don't you understand?????????????Get the US Federal government totally out of healthcare. Leave it to the States and the people, where it should be. Thanks for outlining a specific plan, your post was very insightful! Go ahead tell me I'm uneducated again bruiser! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 Thanks for outlining a specific plan, your post was very insightful! Go ahead tell me I'm uneducated again bruiser! Here is the outline. Find all laws and regulations written in the US government and rip them up. Then after all that work we let the states and the people decide. P.S. Thanks for my answer. Since you like asking these questions could you specifically show me where in the Constitution it states that the Federal Government has any right to control healthcare???????? The best way to solve a problem is to get to the root of it. What I see as the root of the healthcare problem is there is a force(Government) in it that should not be in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious1Auto Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 (edited) Here is the outline. Find all laws and regulations written in the US government and rip them up. Then after all that work we let the states and the people decide. P.S. Thanks for my answer. The best way to solve a problem is to get to the root of it. What I see as the root of the healthcare problem is there is a force(Government) in it that should not be in it. I'll start by answering your question since you have been patient. The constitution doesn't state that the government can control healthcare, it also does not say that they can't. Are you insisting that it can't because it's not in the constitution? Stating your opinion and saying that it shouldn't is closer to accurate, And would better serve your purpose if you have supporting statements! Now on to blanketly shredding a couple of hundred years of legislation. Assuming that it where possible to totally deregulate medicine, How on gods earth do you plan to convince so many politicians with a vested interest to agree to do it. We need feasible requests, if you have specific laws that you would like to remove or amend to achieve the results you are after then that is more realistic! Edited July 19, 2007 by Furious1Auto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 (edited) I'll start by answering your question since you have been patient. The constitution doesn't state that the government can control healthcare, it also does not say that they can't. Are you insisting that it can't because it's not in the constitution? Stating your opinion and saying that it shouldn't is closer to accurate, And would better serve your purpose if you have supporting statements! Now on to blanketly shredding a couple of hundred years of legislation. Assuming that it where possible to totally deregulate medicine, How on gods earth do you plan to convince so many politicians with a vested interest to agree to do it. We need feasible requests, if you have specific laws that you would like to remove or amend to achieve the results you are after then that is more realistic! Read it again my friend. TENTH AMENDMENT - The Tenth Amendment provides that " The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. It is not delegated by the Constitution, just like you said. But I do see that if it's not delegated then it's reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. We should not have to convince the politicians. They are supposed to work for us, do what we want. This is another problem, when you bring up vested interest. Edited July 19, 2007 by fmccap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Now on to blanketly shredding a couple of hundred years of legislation. Assuming that it where possible to totally deregulate medicine, How on gods earth do you plan to convince so many politicians with a vested interest to agree to do it. We need feasible requests, if you have specific laws that you would like to remove or amend to achieve the results you are after then that is more realistic! A couple of hundred years of healthcare legislation? Please show me. Actually try to find the oldest one you can. The oldest thing I know of would be 101 years old. Pure Food and Drug Act of 1906 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious1Auto Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 (edited) A couple of hundred years of healthcare legislation? Please show me. Actually try to find the oldest one you can. The oldest thing I know of would be 101 years old. Pure Food and Drug Act of 1906 I'm not going to bicker over the length of time, how would you convince them? We both know their not working for us, and If they agree to anything that would adversely affect their interests it would only happen if there where media pressure. And even then would grandstand till the issue was out of focus never resolving anything! I'm fed up with these f-cking politicians all together! Like you said their suppose to reflect the will of the people but, instead do what their champaign contributers tell them to! Edited July 19, 2007 by Furious1Auto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 I'm not going to bicker over the length of time, how would you convince them? Help other people learn what is really going on. Let them know(through calling them or sending letters) that it's my way or the highway next election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Facts on the Cost of Health Care Time for Action on Reining in Health Care Costs Policymakers and government officials agree that health care costs must be controlled. But they disagree on the best ways to address rapidly escalating health spending and health insurance premiums. Some favor price controls and imposing strict budgets on health care spending. Others believe free market competition is the best way to solve the problems. Public health advocates believe that if all Americans adopted healthy lifestyles, health care costs would decrease as people required less medical care. There appears to be no agreement on a single solution to health care's high price tag. Many approaches may be used to control costs. What we do know is if the rate of escalation in health care spending and health insurance premiums continues at current trends, the cost of inaction will severely affect employer's bottom lines and consumer's pocketbooks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 FDA is a protection racket for big Pharma Shortly after watching this news clip, buydca.com the only site I could readily find that sells DCA was immediately shut down by the FDA. Conspiracy……, yes indeed. Whenever cancer cures; or alternatives to traditional medicine get introduced to the market by the mainstream media they are immediately stifled by thugs at the FDA. Same is true with Free and Cheap energy developments people turn up dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 Health Care: Government vs. Private There's absolutely no mystery why our greatest complaints are in the arena of government-delivered services and the fewest in market-delivered services. In the market, there are the ruthless forces of profit, loss and bankruptcy that make producers accountable to us. In the arena of government-delivered services, there's no such accountability.I don't think most Americans would like more socialized medicine in our country. By the way, I have absolutely no problem with people wanting socialism. My problem is when they want to drag me into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious1Auto Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 (edited) Health Care: Government vs. Private No one has been replying to you on this thread. Your doing everyone a great service by talking to yourself. Maybe your right, We should have the best health care in the world even if no one in the world can afford it! Edited July 24, 2007 by Furious1Auto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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