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[charly]

You can't say NO otherwise you will loose EI. The company is offering work you will be paid short work week.

 

I think I just said that. :-)

[shoemaker]

I think I just said that. :-)

Yes you did i just completed the sentence. :stats:

[OACville]

You have to be ready, willing and able to work. If you refuse, you will not get EI or sub and worse.. They could mark you AWOL and fire your ass after a 5 days.

 

So.. enjoy the sunshine...

[charly]

Yes you did i just completed the sentence. :stats:

 

Silly rhetorical me, thanks

[foxrun]

You have to be ready, willing and able to work. If you refuse, you will not get EI or sub and worse.. They could mark you AWOL and fire your ass after a 5 days.

 

So.. enjoy the sunshine...

[OACville]

 

 

I'm not stirring anything. The only way he can stay off and not get in trouble is if he booked holidays, otherwise he has to be available for work. Not showing up you are considered AWOL. After 5 AWOL days the computer spits out your termination papers. You cant even sit at home and not answer the phone because you have to be willing and able to work if you are collecting comp. I know a couple of guys that got called in mid week. They had no choice but to get their asses in.

[foxrun]

:happy feet:

Edited June 25, 2009 by foxrun

[OACville]

Guy there are a bunch of higher seniorty guys who got the option to stay at home this week and took it.

 

Wow.. Better hope EI doesnt find out.

[CDN007]

Anyone know what Body 1 afternoons is working next week (Mon June 29th), start time and hours?

 

thanks

[lineslaver]

Anyone know what Body 1 afternoons is working next week (Mon June 29th), start time and hours?

 

thanks

 

3:30 start.....10hrs

[foxrun]

[foxrun]

:bandance:

[foxrun]

Toyota chief promises nimbler carmaker

By Jonathan Soble in Tokyo

 

Published: June 25 2009 10:58 | Last updated: June 25 2009 10:58

 

Akio Toyoda, the newly installed chief executive of Toyota Motor, on Thursday pledged to bring a looser, more nimble management style to the giant Japanese automaker, which is facing its biggest crisis since Sakichi Toyoda – his grandfather and Toyota’s founder – ran the company six decades ago.

 

At a news conference marking the start of his tenure as CEO, which officially began on Tuesday, he promised “to do everything possible” to return loss-making Toyota to profit in the 2010-2011 financial year, although he said “difficult conditions” would persist for the next two years.

 

EDITOR’S CHOICE

Nissan sets targets for electric car output - Jun-23GM opens door for improved Opel offers - Jun-24Fiat shake-up at Chrysler hits top gear - Jun-21

[foxrun]

:happy feet:

[foxrun]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/auto/we-jus...article1195406/

 

Lenny Lombardi from CHIN radio loves his MKX.

[crownvicsparky]

Whats OAC's take on these concessions request? Where do we all stand in terms of more commitment to Windsor and STAP? What are they threatening you guys with for concessions?

Your feedback would be very beneficial to all the rest of us? We need to have a common game plan this time.

[charly]

Whats OAC's take on these concessions request? Where do we all stand in terms of more commitment to Windsor and STAP? What are they threatening you guys with for concessions?

Your feedback would be very beneficial to all the rest of us? We need to have a common game plan this time.

 

I have not seen a list of "concessions" yet, however, once we (CAW) were forced into satisfying the Ontario and Federal requirements for loan guarantees for GM and Chryco the writting has been on the wall.

OAC needs to at least make a serious attempt to break the so called "PATTERN" and get a better outcome for ALL the remaining members in this country.

We dont have the government supplying muscle for the negotiations ......SO WE NEED TO DO BETTER THAN PATTERN.

[putt]

I have not seen a list of "concessions" yet, however, once we (CAW) were forced into satisfying the Ontario and Federal requirements for loan guarantees for GM and Chryco the writting has been on the wall.

OAC needs to at least make a serious attempt to break the so called "PATTERN" and get a better outcome for ALL the remaining members in this country.

We dont have the government supplying muscle for the negotiations ......SO WE NEED TO DO BETTER THAN PATTERN.

 

you know that's not going to happen

[Trimdingman]

you know that's not going to happen

 

We need to make sure that it does. Chrysler workers took concessions in the late 1970s, and we continued to set the pattern, and they eventually caught up. We are not just fighting for ourselves, but for GM and Chrysler workers when we refuse to accept the "pattern". It is up to us to set the pattern. It is GM and Chrysler workers who have been taken off the pattern. One thing that we need right now in this economic climate is inflation protection, especially for retirees. We all have heard of the horror stories of seniors living on a "fixed pension", which erodes away as inflation takes its toll. Our indexed pensions were an answer to that, but not any more since the P-COLA has been frozen. At least if you are working under a frozen wage, you have the possibility of working overtime, or selling your vacation to raise extra money. Pensioners are stuck, unless they want to work at McDonalds. That is not retirement, working at McDonalds.

[charly]

you know that's not going to happen

 

I never KNOW what's going to happen, but lets aim high and not walk around with a defeatist attitude....they tend to somehow blossom into reality.

 

Lets keep our:

 

1) time off

2) fill in the blanks

 

3)

 

 

and so on................

[Dragonfly]

I'm sure most of you have heard by now that Ford is demanding the same deal as GM negotiated. I've also heard that Ford has stated that 40% of the trades need to go. That's somewhere around 140 people. There are a hand full of tradespeople who have been trying over the last 2 years or so to make a difference by making an extended effort to protect our work language in the CA only to find out that our brothers couldn't be bothered to lend and supporting hand. Already the tears are flowing down the cheeks of the milquetoast bastards who failed to help the cause. Crying because they, being junior, know their jobs are will soon be gone. Well brothers, you are all about to get what you've fought for... absolutely nothing!

 

Here's what I think is going to happen. The National Union is going to negotiate away your benefits and work ownership just like they have for GM and Chrysler. Expect much of the same bullshit they agreed to. The National is then going to tell our local leadership puppets to sit down, shut up, and to agree to the concessions. The bobbleheads will agree. They will then be told to find a way to sell it to the membership. Oh yeah that reminds me... the dangling carrot to get us to agree this time? Since Saint Thomas and Windsor are toast and therefore lost votes, I think it will be a new small car platform rumoured to be "the S model" which is based on the Mazda 2 platform... Anyways, then like lambs to the slaughter we will be corralled into Hamilton Place for a bullshitting session like we've never heard before. Angry brothers and sisters will stand at the microphone shouting and calling to a table of deaf leadership to make a difference. With tails between their legs, they will not even try. (Here's what happens to them if they do try.). Our leadership will tell us that there is no alternative, sadly for most of us there is not, and that they've negotiated the best deal possible (best for who I ask?). The majority of us will vote in favour of the new contract and a new era in Ontario's automotive history will begin.

 

I have voted against the last 4 contracts and have actively spoken out against them. This time is no different. Our leadership will proudly proclaim that they've done a wonderful job in keeping our wages intact but will disguise the fact that most of your benefits and most certainly your job ownership language will be severely affected. You've already see the coveted senior production jobs starting to disappear. We will never in our working lifetime see those benefits return again to their present status. Personally I'd rather give up some of my hourly rate and keep all of our benefits, pensions and work language -- but then I guess that would mean the the Union would have take a pay cut too since their income is based on our hourly rate... Like I said earlier, in who's best interest will these concessions really be for?

 

Truthfully, we really don't have anywhere to go now. Nowhere these days can you get a job working for $35-$40/hour for this kind of work. What I do know is that if we don't protect our work ownership, you can bet that two tier wages will coming soon, you can mark my words on that. Have you noticed that the Premier cleaning company is actually named Premier Manufacturing? At $17.50/hour and already doing our coveted senior production jobs I think two tier is already here. All we need now if for them to become members of the CAW... Oh wait, they already are! CAW Local 707 no less! More dues paying members for our Union instead of well paid members...imagine that? Now we've got two fights on our hands... the company, and with our own National Union leadership.

 

Don't let the company and our Union scare you with bullshit like we're not going to get anymore products or the plant will be moved to the US or Mexico. Bill Ford himself said that the way forward meant that there will only be 8 or 9 "super plants" and that all of them will be run at 95% capacity. That includes us! If we don't get one model then it will be another model and another until we are at 95% capacity. Ford does not do business in Canada because they like Canadians, they are here because it has been profitable and the facility that matches their needs already exists here.

 

I'll say it again - you'll only get what you fight for!

 

P.S. Have you got your $1700 bonus yet? Don't count on it...

[Edsel]

Hey Charly? You worked for National Steel Car. What do you think of the soothsayer's comments above? Hey Dragonfry? If you are all so wise, why only 2 posts? Roll the dice man. I'll have enough seniority by the time Ford says fuck you Oakville to retire. We will get our bonus by the way......will that be enough for you to listen to reason? I thought Skilled Trades were smarter than Production. You certainly are not demonstrating that here.

 

Ed.

Edited July 10, 2009 by Edsel

[charly]

Hey Charly? You worked for National Steel Car. What do you think of the soothsayer's comments above? Hey Dragonfry? If you are all so wise, why only 2 posts? Roll the dice man. I'll have enough seniority by the time Ford says fuck you Oakville to retire. We will get our bonus by the way......will that be enough for you to listen to reason? I thought Skilled Trades were smarter than Production. You certainly are not demonstrating that here.

 

Ed.

 

Ed, I'm in skilled trades, some of us are OK, not smarter....I spent 6 years on the line in trim, there are IDIOTS in Trades and Idiots in production they don't speak for the majority....bring me something palatable or it's a NO vote. That's MY take no one else's.

Have you seen the state of Steel Car? when I left in October of 1994 I was making 17 and change as an inspector...you can do the math.

 

As far as soothBOY ................already watched his attempts to overthrow the duly elected and I have 0 respect for the boy.

[Trimdingman]

The US Consumer Price Index, 1967=100, increased from 640.121 in May, to 646.121 in June. Subtracting, that is a 5.505 point increase. Divide that by 640.121, and you get 0.859%. That is for one month. Multiply by 12, and you get 10.308% inflation rate, plus the compounding factor. Let's hope that this was just a one month spike. The inflation rate that the media will give you is averaged back over the last year, so it is lower. The one that I give you is extrapolated ahead from June. We don't care what inflation was over the last year. We are dealing with future inflation and the erosion it will cause to our wages with our cost of living allowance frozen.

[shoemaker]

The US Consumer Price Index, 1967=100, increased from 640.121 in May, to 646.121 in June. Subtracting, that is a 5.505 point increase. Divide that by 640.121, and you get 0.859%. That is for one month. Multiply by 12, and you get 10.308% inflation rate, plus the compounding factor. Let's hope that this was just a one month spike. The inflation rate that the media will give you is averaged back over the last year, so it is lower. The one that I give you is extrapolated ahead from June. We don't care what inflation was over the last year. We are dealing with future inflation and the erosion it will cause to our wages with our cost of living allowance frozen.

Hey dingy it seems that you only dream about money. Everybody knows there is inflation, it's nothing new, in times like these we all loose, shut up and do your part please.