fordworker Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 (edited) Example bush left us with a depression and failed markets and a unjust war and huge debts to pay. And u want to blame obama for this debt Lets say U coached the Cavs for the first 60 games next year with Lebron James and u go 50-10. Now lets say that u drop a 50 lb weight on Lebrons foot and its broken. Now lets say u quit and I take over as coach but James sits out the last 20 games and I go 2-18. Does that mean your a better coach?? No it doesnt all it says is u broke LBJ's foot and I came in to clean up your mess. This is what Obama is facing Bush messed everything up and now he is fixing it but it cant be fixed overnight. Go ahead and keep blaming Obama for our debt. You might want to check where the debt was prior to Reagan and where it was after he left office, then check bush SR. then clinton who had 3 plus years and 22 million new jobs, now check Bush Jr and see how much debt he ran up. bush ran our budget from $1.7 trillion a year to over $3 trillion in his 8 years or was that Obamas fault also? vote republican and vote send your job to China Edited June 9, 2009 by fordworker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westmont Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Example bush left us with a depression and failed markets and a unjust war and huge debts to pay. And u want to blame obama for this debt Lets say U coached the Cavs for the first 60 games next year with Lebron James and u go 50-10. Now lets say that u drop a 50 lb weight on Lebrons foot and its broken. Now lets say u quit and I take over as coach but James sits out the last 20 games and I go 2-18. Does that mean your a better coach?? No it doesnt all it says is u broke LBJ's foot and I came in to clean up your mess. This is what Obama is facing Bush messed everything up and now he is fixing it but it cant be fixed overnight. Go ahead and keep blaming Obama for our debt. You might want to check where the debt was prior to Reagan and where it was after he left office, then check bush SR. then clinton who had 3 plus years and 22 million new jobs, now check Bush Jr and see how much debt he ran up. bush ran our budget from $1.7 trillion a year to over $3 trillion in his 8 years or was that Obamas fault also? vote republican and vote send your job to China Your example is wrong along with your facts. Your jobs were going overseas no matter how you voted. If you enjoy drinking the government koolaid they go right ahead. Your posts only reflect why that socialist pig is in the White House, and the state of our nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereswaldo Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Your example is wrong along with your facts. Your jobs were going overseas no matter how you voted.If you enjoy drinking the government koolaid they go right ahead. Your posts only reflect why that socialist pig is in the White House, and the state of our nation. I was going to agree that his example was lacking but once I got to your last sentence I'll pass on his example. Do you also disagree with a notion that Dubya drove votes away from his own party ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordworker Posted June 9, 2009 Author Share Posted June 9, 2009 (edited) Your example is wrong along with your facts. Your jobs were going overseas no matter how you voted.If you enjoy drinking the government koolaid they go right ahead. Your posts only reflect why that socialist pig is in the White House, and the state of our nation. Fact is Bush lost more manufacturing jobs then any other president in history during his term. And Bush took office under a good economy with a surplus and he messed it up in 6 months. 2000 Clinton left him a surplus a surplus that both Bush and Gore agreed on in the debates. Go you tube it and hear it from Bush's lips. And it was Bush who said we needed the bailout money not Obama you jackass you dont know nothing about the facts do you? It was Bush's people who told congress if he didnt get that $750 billion that he was going to impose martial law. you tube Brad Sherman from the house floor and watch it. Edited June 9, 2009 by fordworker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpc655 Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Fact is Bush lost more manufacturing jobs then any other president in history during his term. And Bush took office under a good economy with a surplus and he messed it up in 6 months. 2000 Clinton left him a surplus a surplus that both Bush and Gore agreed on in the debates. Go you tube it and hear it from Bush's lips. And it was Bush who said we needed the bailout money not Obama you jackass you dont know nothing about the facts do you? It was Bush's people who told congress if he didnt get that $750 billion that he was going to impose martial law. you tube Brad Sherman from the house floor and watch it. You need to research a little deeper then soundbites from youtube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westmont Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Fact is Bush lost more manufacturing jobs then any other president in history during his term. And Bush took office under a good economy with a surplus and he messed it up in 6 months. 2000 Clinton left him a surplus a surplus that both Bush and Gore agreed on in the debates. Go you tube it and hear it from Bush's lips. And it was Bush who said we needed the bailout money not Obama you jackass you dont know nothing about the facts do you? It was Bush's people who told congress if he didnt get that $750 billion that he was going to impose martial law. you tube Brad Sherman from the house floor and watch it. Regardless of who you voted for or your political stand. We the manufacturing sector has been sold out for years. E.P.A, taxes, state and local. If they wanted to help then stop putting roadblocks in our way. We are past the point of return. This could of been prevented after the first gas crunch with Gov help on subsidizing research and development on new technologies. That would of required our leaders to do there job, and stop pointing fingers let's remember they work for us. WE THE PEOPLE! Not the special interest groups or worried about re-election. That's all I'm saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereswaldo Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 You need to research a little deeper then soundbites from youtube. And the Tobacco Lobby is still waiting for proof/facts that smoking is hazardous to your health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) that socialist pig is in the White House That's the President of the United States you are talking about pal. No matter what you may think of him, show a little respect. I HATED Bush (and the guy who was really in charge.... Cheney..... *shudder*), I thought he made a mockery of the White House but I never called him a pig...... If you remember, if you had shown this sort of dissention toward Bush's gov't you would have been cast as somehow "un-American" as well for not agreeing with his administration. Edited June 11, 2009 by Indy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) That's the President of the United States you are talking about pal. No matter what you may think of him, show a little respect. I HATED Bush (and the guy who was really in charge.... Cheney..... *shudder*), I thought he made a mockery of the White House but I never called him a pig...... Whoops, double post..... Edited June 11, 2009 by Indy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 That's the President of the United States you are talking about pal. No matter what you may think of him, show a little respect. I HATED Bush (and the guy who was really in charge.... Cheney..... *shudder*), I thought he made a mockery of the White House but I never called him a pig...... If you remember, if you had shown this sort of dissention toward Bush's gov't you would have been cast as somehow "un-American" as well for not agreeing with his administration. More rhetoric from the liberals...you guys have short memories about how Bush was treated...now all of a sudden we have a moron running the country into the ground we are all suppose to come together and sing kumbaya.......I wouldn't say he's a pig...but I think an idiot or moron fits perfectly.....everyone to their own opinion, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longball Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Name calling....come on IF your smart enough, why not discuss the policies instead of this name calling crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Because its easier to argue names and labels than policies and timing. Besides policy ideas can be refuted and he isn't into that. Did you go back and look at the rates carter left.....how about a comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereswaldo Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Did you go back and look at the rates carter left.....how about a comment OK....I would put Dubya in the same boat with Carter. Obviously different situations,etc, but yeah pretty useless as far as leaders go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikem12 Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 OK....I would put Dubya in the same boat with Carter. Obviously different situations,etc, but yeah pretty useless as far as leaders go. At least Bush didn't wait for the polls to come before making decisions like Carter and the libs and he didn't flip flop like fish out of water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 At least Bush didn't wait for the polls to come before making decisions like Carter and the libs and he didn't flip flop like fish out of water. carter made very few decisions and when he did they were usually bad...like his attempt to recuse the hostages in Iran.......he had no balls... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cocheese Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 OK....I would put Dubya in the same boat with Carter. Obviously different situations,etc, but yeah pretty useless as far as leaders go. Just wait 'til the clown that is in there now gets the boot. 20 years from now people will realize how good Bush really was, and what a horrible mistake Barry was. Just hope by that point people still have the right to think for themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 i told you in the other thread you go back and look them up. i know what they are. Comment. they went up in Reagans first year just like they are going up in Barack's first year. Are they both morons because the rate went up after they got into office or just Obama? Let me suggest something to you....take a deep breath....count to 10...relax, take a few moments and go back and read all of the post.....because you are as lost as fart in a tornado......you have tried to change the subject 3 times....are you scyzophrenic?.....maybe just mild ADD?..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereswaldo Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 At least Bush didn't wait for the polls to come before making decisions like Carter and the libs and he didn't flip flop like fish out of water. Your kidding right ? I didnt say Jimbo was better. If someone has the balls to jump off a cliff doesnt mean you should join him. What a weak analogy. Amazing.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereswaldo Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Just wait 'til the clown that is in there now gets the boot. 20 years from now people will realize how good Bush really was, and what a horrible mistake Barry was. Just hope by that point people still have the right to think for themselves. Please explain to us what it is that we're missing, that we will wait 20 yrs b-4 an epiphany hits us in the face. Obama has only been in 6 months and I'm willing to wait another yr or 1 1/2 to see if things pan out. As far as all this left wing, socialistic,communistic,fascist conspiracy crap goes......one word paranoia. When someone cant help but spew their hate with all the name calling and to say that about Bush....lol....paranoia. Let me guess ...was that a family member that just walked into the Holocaust Museum in D.C. ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmccap Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 nope...i haven't tried to change the subject yet. you throw these wild ass figures out and still haven't actually supported them other than that lame ass video which is a joke. Watched it all. its a joke. the subject is...well subjects anyway because you keep switching them....Obama supposedly tripling the debt, which he hasn't and that the ten year yields have hit a 6 high and are climbing (and the sky is falling). I have pointed out that the yields are not climbing that drastically and that we have survived worse climbs before. What was the expected budget deficit when Bush left office? Considering the times, isn't it true they are climbing more than desired? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
end of time Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 carter made very few decisions and when he did they were usually bad...like his attempt to recuse the hostages in Iran.......he had no balls... napfirst you my friend are about the most ignormanis person in the world. carter was the president that most of the us really wants but due to the political scene he was back stabbed by the dems. and the repubs loved it . bottom line is when and if we ever get another president as true and honest as carter the crooks will stab him in the back also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikem12 Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 carter made very few decisions and when he did they were usually bad...like his attempt to recuse the hostages in Iran.......he had no balls... you got that right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 napfirst you my friend are about the most ignormanis person in the world. carter was the president that most of the us really wants but due to the political scene he was back stabbed by the dems. and the repubs loved it . bottom line is when and if we ever get another president as true and honest as carter the crooks will stab him in the back also. And you call me an "ignormanis person".....not sure what that means but I'm sure there's an attempted insult in there...anyway you go on to state that "carter was the President that most of us wants", again not sure exactly what you mean as in wanted him during the 1980 elections, where Reagan carried 46 states and sent carter back to his peanut farm or want him now, which is even more confusing....since now he's a feeble old has-been who goes around the world supporting terrorist organizations like hezbollah...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hvcpicker Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Nap you cant reason with these people....lcjdad is about the only one who wants to have some back and forth.....They are desperately trying to "equal" carter with bush. Not the same by any stretch. Bush had an unprecedented event in 9/11 that effected the economy in ways noone could have imagined. He got through that and the economy was fine. When did the economy fail.....try fannie and freddie mac! First the dems wanted fannnie and freddie unregulated because the angry white repubs were trying to screw minorities on mortgages....then when it goes bad they cry they (repubs) didnt regulate enough! Classic liberalism! Of course, Bush was the pres so it is his responsibility. Unlike the bammer lovers we will take credit AND blame when we are at the helm. Bammer has yet to do this....its always " my predescessor this and that" I think our most high esteemed leader has an issue with taking responsibility! NO matter what the people on here think if they scream the loudest they win! Let em think it, the fact is if the economy comes back ( as it would no matter who is in there) bammer will win reelection in a landslide, if however he does anything to get in the way of natural recovery (increase taxes, borrow MORE money etc.) He will be dismissed. Time will tell not our back and forth on here. I love the NEW recruits to political speech. Welcome aboard, glad you finally feel like this country matters now that you have a stake in it. We've been here for years, didnt know you cared!! Remember Michelle said" For the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country" ....Patriotism...catch it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napfirst Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Nap you cant reason with these people....lcjdad is about the only one who wants to have some back and forth.....They are desperately trying to "equal" carter with bush. Not the same by any stretch. Bush had an unprecedented event in 9/11 that effected the economy in ways noone could have imagined. He got through that and the economy was fine. When did the economy fail.....try fannie and freddie mac! First the dems wanted fannnie and freddie unregulated because the angry white repubs were trying to screw minorities on mortgages....then when it goes bad they cry they (repubs) didnt regulate enough! Classic liberalism! Of course, Bush was the pres so it is his responsibility. Unlike the bammer lovers we will take credit AND blame when we are at the helm. Bammer has yet to do this....its always " my predescessor this and that" I think our most high esteemed leader has an issue with taking responsibility! NO matter what the people on here think if they scream the loudest they win! Let em think it, the fact is if the economy comes back ( as it would no matter who is in there) bammer will win reelection in a landslide, if however he does anything to get in the way of natural recovery (increase taxes, borrow MORE money etc.) He will be dismissed. Time will tell not our back and forth on here. I love the NEW recruits to political speech. Welcome aboard, glad you finally feel like this country matters now that you have a stake in it. We've been here for years, didnt know you cared!! Remember Michelle said" For the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country" ....Patriotism...catch it! Thanks, good post.....I've been around for awhile......but it upsets me to see the direction that obama is taking this great country and uaw workers have been sold a bill-of-goods and have no idea what they're buying into.....most live in a very small world (themselves, or their next paycheck)...and don't realize that all of this money being thrown around will have to be paid back, with interest, or what that huge debt is going to do to this country.....I just don't get it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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