STAND UP MICHIGAN

[Die Wahrheit]

http://recallrick.com/

 

We are making headway in Wisconsin! Lets get rid of this nerd as well. LIke i said before you don't mess with the unions!

[DTP Nick]

Yeah, I'm sure there will be a mass recall going on if all these Governors start taking away collective bargaining rights.

 

I think public employee benefits should be looked at, but don't take away their full rights in one shot. That is not american, and it's against the constitution.

 

One perfect example is the US post office, those are government workers, they get great pay and days off, but they don't do their jobs. It's like teachers, some don't do their jobs so they either have to go or they have to be rated in terms of job performance or something. Any union rights tho should not be taken away from workers by illegal means like they did in Wisconsin.

 

Lets recall Snyder. After Ohio it will be Michigan.

 

I also want to say that each state has a budget, they should be following. When you were a kid and you got an allowance by your parents they told you to spend it wisely because you won't get anything more until next week. So you had to budget, even with a home business you have to budget. The reason why our country is so broke, is too much tax payer dollars are going to the government to be handed over to the states that can't budget, or overspend, or in many cases em-bezel from their coffers. This shit needs to stop. States need to stay within their budgets and not over spend. Cities (local gov) need to stay within their budgets and not over spend. We need to take away control of funds from these people that abuse our money!.

 

Fix the system first before you go after workers!.

Your all over the place with this post. First you say recall Snyder. Then you say this state needs to get its budget in line and compare its EXCESS, foolish spending to a child blowing his allowance(agree with that part)...Believe bit or not Snyder has a pretty good approval rating(he was elected by a HUGE margin) for what he is doing outside of the taxing retirees pensions thing which BOTH dems and republicans are against according to yesterdays Det News and have already rejected in michigans house and senate.... If you want to recall snyder wouldnt you have to recall michigans whole house and senate considering they are controlled by republican majoritys too?..Snyder is not going to be recalled and he is most certainly not comprable to wisconsins gov in that Snyder is NOT trying to limit Michigan teachers rights to bargain.....Snyder is here to stay...labor activist can protest all they want but..maybe these union folks need the excercise because thats all they are gonna get from these mindless protests...Chucky sit back and re read your post..outside of saying recall Snyder your ideas are REPUBLICAN

Edited April 2, 2011 by DTP Nick

[trailfndr]

Snyder is not going to be recalled and he is most certainly not comprable to wisconsins gov in that Snyder is NOT trying to limit Michigan teachers rights to bargain

 

Not in the Open he isn't. but he defiantly IS going to limit, or KILL teachers Unions, and public employee unions with his EFM law. By passing said law, AND cutting money to Cities and Schools, He is creating the perfect storm to toss out Union contracts completely on the whim of someone that is Appointed. It will also hurt cities in that the elected officials that residents voted in, can be dismissed at will by that same appointed person.

 

His other recent accomplishments will cut more jobs that this State desperately needs. With stores no longer having to individually price items, they can stock shelves with half the employees they currently use. Those excess employees will be collecting un-employment.

 

His cut to the time allowed on STATE unemployment from 26 weeks downward to 20 weeks, hits folks that do not have jobs, and are looking for work, right where it hurts most. Their ability to survive will be in jeopardy simply because the single 6 week cut, also applies to the extensions provided by the Federal Government. This will effectively cut unemployment from the 99 weeks allowed today, down to less than 80 weeks total. With no jobs in the State, what are those folks going to do? Move out? This would cost the state even more in lost tax collections. But it sure cuts the insurance premiums that the company now pays. By the way, NO other State give less than 26 weeks of unemployment.

 

We all had best wake-up Snyder is NOT a friend to the working class.

[DTP Nick]

Not in the Open he isn't. but he defiantly IS going to limit, or KILL teachers Unions, and public employee unions with his EFM law. By passing said law, AND cutting money to Cities and Schools, He is creating the perfect storm to toss out Union contracts completely on the whim of someone that is Appointed. It will also hurt cities in that the elected officials that residents voted in, can be dismissed at will by that same appointed person.

 

His other recent accomplishments will cut more jobs that this State desperately needs. With stores no longer having to individually price items, they can stock shelves with half the employees they currently use. Those excess employees will be collecting un-employment.

 

His cut to the time allowed on STATE unemployment from 26 weeks downward to 20 weeks, hits folks that do not have jobs, and are looking for work, right where it hurts most. Their ability to survive will be in jeopardy simply because the single 6 week cut, also applies to the extensions provided by the Federal Government. This will effectively cut unemployment from the 99 weeks allowed today, down to less than 80 weeks total. With no jobs in the State, what are those folks going to do? Move out? This would cost the state even more in lost tax collections. But it sure cuts the insurance premiums that the company now pays. By the way, NO other State give less than 26 weeks of unemployment.

 

We all had best wake-up Snyder is NOT a friend to the working class.

I cant tell you how many articles I read this week saying that the economy is adding jobs nationwide(Look at auto sales compared to last year-way up)...Sorry time to cut the cord on extended Unemployment and give people some incentive to look for work...EFM was passed in essence for the lovely prosperous city of Detroit who have proven time and time again they cant fix their own mess ie the EFM being appointed....Kudos to Snyder..this state needs some tough love financially

[Emigh]

I cant tell you how many articles I read this week saying that the economy is adding jobs nationwide(Look at auto sales compared to last year-way up)...Sorry time to cut the cord on extended Unemployment and give people some incentive to look for work...EFM was passed in essence for the lovely prosperous city of Detroit who have proven time and time again they cant fix their own mess ie the EFM being appointed....Kudos to Snyder..this state needs some tough love financially

 

To DTP here is my wish for you.

When you retire may your pension and 401K be reduced drastically. May the cost of your children's education be increased. May your medical insurance be taxed as a benefit. In other words, all of the empathy and sympathy that you are showing others be on your back.This is my curse and blessing for you. One day you will be there. I am sure that when the time comes you won't be so immune.

[DTP Nick]

To DTP here is my wish for you.

When you retire may your pension and 401K be reduced drastically. May the cost of your children's education be increased. May your medical insurance be taxed as a benefit. In other words, all of the empathy and sympathy that you are showing others be on your back.This is my curse and blessing for you. One day you will be there. I am sure that when the time comes you won't be so immune.

Or maybe I could not give a shit about my childrens future like you and keep supporting politicians and laws that are all about more borrowing and more spending of money we dont have. If this unchecked spending and entitlements do not end in this country dont worry what you just wished on me will happen no matter what. Keep voting democrat and you will get just what you wish on me

[Tsquare]

I cant tell you how many articles I read this week saying that the economy is adding jobs nationwide(Look at auto sales compared to last year-way up)...Sorry time to cut the cord on extended Unemployment and give people some incentive to look for work...EFM was passed in essence for the lovely prosperous city of Detroit who have proven time and time again they cant fix their own mess ie the EFM being appointed....Kudos to Snyder..this state needs some tough love financially

 

Maybe we should double check that. I think auto profits are way up not auto sales.

[ReDemption]

Please explain how this formula is going to fix our Michigan Debt?

 

1) Tax the poor and elderly by 1.7 billion

2) Allow big business to get tax cuts of 1.8 billion

3) Give self right to appoint City managers, yank out elected officials and appoint new un-elected ones.

4) Remove collective bargaining agreements with no merit

5) Diminish, or remove if you will, Democratic policy and right

 

I dont remember Snyder publicly speaking in his campaign about how he was going to do any of this if elected. We need to act quickly and recall this idiot.

 

A: He wants to tax pensions on Michigan retirees.

B: He wants dictatorial power to terminate Collective Bargaining contracts with his bills HB4214 and HB4215

C: He wants to make Michigan a right to work state

D: He wants to take the revenue gained from taxing retirees and the poor, and give tax breaks to big business (creating a larger deficit)

E: He wants to sacrifice our childrens education by lowering school budgets by $500 per student.

 

We all need to look past the smoke and mirrors.

1) Why are we not asking for a published audit of the spending?

2) Why arent the ones that created or let this mess happen fired or in jail?

3) Why are we, as Democrats, not banding together in protest?

 

To say that Michigan needs tuff love with budgeting, just plan crazy. We have lost hundreds of thousands manufacturing jobs and that’s the real and only issue that needs to be solved.

 

Do the things that are necessary to recover our Manufacturing jobs.

 

1) Give direct tax credits for legacy costs (close the final gap between big 3 and competitors)

2) Give direct tax credits for manufacturing structures

3) Give direct tax credits for employment health costs (helps all employers)

4) Give direct tax credits for export shipping.

5) Last but not least, dump NAFTA or at least make it right.

 

Seeing how Snyder is so keen on bills of removal, I think we need a bill that allows our Congressman to remove “out of control” Governors from office and temporary appoint real budget czar’s until a new election is held. All we would have to do (via this bill) is to have enough (you pick a number) signatures and the rest is history.

 

Jeff Hodges

DTP Body

Local 600

Edited April 3, 2011 by ReDemption

[DTP Nick]

Please explain how this formula is going to fix our Michigan Debt?

 

1) Tax the poor and elderly by 1.7 billion

2) Allow big business to get tax cuts of 1.8 billion

3) Give self right to appoint City managers, yank out elected officials and appoint new un-elected ones.

4) Remove collective bargaining agreements with no merit

5) Diminish, or remove if you will, Democratic policy and right

 

I dont remember Snyder publicly speaking in his campaign about how he was going to do any of this if elected. We need to act quickly and recall this idiot.

 

A: He wants to tax pensions on Michigan retirees.

B: He wants dictatorial power to terminate Collective Bargaining contracts with his bills HB4214 and HB4215

C: He wants to make Michigan a right to work state

D: He wants to take the revenue gained from taxing retirees and the poor, and give tax breaks to big business (creating a larger deficit)

E: He wants to sacrifice our childrens education by lowering school budgets by $500 per student.

 

We all need to look past the smoke and mirrors.

1) Why are we not asking for a published audit of the spending?

2) Why arent the ones that created or let this mess happen fired or in jail?

3) Why are we, as Democrats, not banding together in protest?

 

To say that Michigan needs tuff love with budgeting, just plan crazy. We have lost hundreds of thousands manufacturing jobs and thats the real and only issue that needs to be solved.

 

Do the things that are necessary to recover our Manufacturing jobs.

 

1) Give direct tax credits for legacy costs (close the final gap between big 3 and competitors)

2) Give direct tax credits for manufacturing structures

3) Give direct tax credits for employment health costs (helps all employers)

4) Give direct tax credits for export shipping.

5) Last but not least, dump NAFTA or at least make it right.

 

Seeing how Snyder is so keen on bills of removal, I think we need a bill that allows our Congressman to remove out of control Governors from office and temporary appoint real budget czars until a new election is held. All we would have to do (via this bill) is to have enough (you pick a number) signatures and the rest is history.

 

Jeff Hodges

DTP Body

Local 600

Typical Union propaganda...He has already stated he doesnt want to make this a right to work state so give up trying to use that to scare people. I realize all the jobs this state has lost etc and that they need to be recreated but what should we do in the meantime until they are recreated and we get the tax base back from these jobs?? Keep spending? Dont cut anything?..To be honest I hope this state develops a more diverse economy outside of manufacturing where it is globaly competitive.As it is now our work force is unskilled and competing with cheap labor. He is the right man for the right time who was elected by a large majority. You have seen the numbers of how the UAW has lost members and political influence. The UAW just doesnt carry the weight in this state to the degree it used to and its wants and wishes are NOT the will of the majority in this state. Sorry if im harsh..but im a realist who doesnt live in the past..unlike you

Edited April 3, 2011 by DTP Nick

[cinder]

To DTP here is my wish for you.

When you retire may your pension and 401K be reduced drastically. May the cost of your children's education be increased. May your medical insurance be taxed as a benefit. In other words, all of the empathy and sympathy that you are showing others be on your back.This is my curse and blessing for you. One day you will be there. I am sure that when the time comes you won't be so immune.

 

 

 

 

.Kudos to Snyder..this state needs some tough love financially

 

 

 

You don't practice tough love on Seniors pensions...... I would liked to have seen them make State employee's take some concessions like the Auto workers did.....

[trailfndr]

Typical Union propaganda...He has already stated he doesnt want to make this a right to work state

 

Nick, Nick, Nick.. Stop listening to propaganda. Snyder has NOT said he doesn't WANT to make Michigan a Right to work state...he said, He would not Pursue making Michigan a Right to work State. And while it is not on his agenda (so far) I am willing to bet that he will sign it into law when the republican stooges in the legislature send him a bill on it.

 

And if you are stupid enough to believe that all the new Republican Governors and legislators in this and other states don't have that on thier list for next year (or sooner) then you sir, are a FOOL.

[DTP Nick]

.Kudos to Snyder..this state needs some tough love financially

 

 

 

You don't practice tough love on Seniors pensions...... I would liked to have seen them make State employee's take some concessions like the Auto workers did.....

I have stated on here many times that I DONT support his taxation of pensions and his ending the movie credits....

[steve morris]

If you ask me, i think your all putting band aids on bullet wounds. The real problem we have in each state and this country is the "legalized bribery" that is allowed to go on under the name of lobbying. We have all these elected officials in the house and congress voting NOT for whats best for each state or the country, but what big business tells them to vote for in order to get campaign contributions and future jobs as lobbyists. No one in their right mind would have voted in these "free trade agreements" the way they are causing us to lose so many manufacturing jobs without being pushed and prodded by big business.

REPUBLICANS and DEMOCRATS do it. If we all switched over to Independent instead of voting blindly, maybe these elected officials would feel the need to earn our vote.

In the end, until lobbying is outlawed completely, the chances of electing an official that votes soley for whats best for the state and this country is next to impossible.

[DTP Nick]

Maybe we should double check that. I think auto profits are way up not auto sales.

Auto Sales were way up compared to last year at this time industry wide..What planet do you live on where you dont know that? Do you read newspapers? Watch the News? LOL

[tompor1]

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Recall-Governor-Rick-Snyder/113418962065885 Edited April 4, 2011 by tompor1

[Aces]

Some common sense...instead of the lies from the Republican/Scab party

 

April 4th, 2011 8:33 PM

They Only Have 400 Votes

By Michael Moore

 

Michael Moore's comments today delivered and relayed at the "We Are One" rally at the State Capitol in Honolulu:

 

Greetings!

 

I want to thank you for turning out today to make your voices heard -- and they ARE heard, even across ocean and land. Today, hundreds of thousands of Americans are joining with you to honor Dr. King by standing up for working people all over America. It was what he was doing in Memphis when he was killed 43 years ago today, supporting sanitation workers on strike.

 

Today everywhere is Memphis, and it's not just sanitation workers being attacked. It's teachers and firefighters and social workers -- yes, all those greedy public workers who caused the Great Recession we are in!

 

It was the greedy teachers who caused the crash on Wall Street!

 

It was the greedy firefighters who sent millions of jobs overseas!

 

It was the greedy social workers who insisted that GE pay no taxes and that CEOs should make 500 times what the average employee makes!

 

No, my friends, it wasn't! It was the top 1% of the country who did this. THEY brought on the mortgage crisis. THEY made off with billions of dollars from our economy. THEY have systematically destroyed the middle class. And THEY have bought and sold the very people elected to represent us!

 

America is not broke! It's just that the wealthy have absconded with the money! They've removed it from circulation and left us begging for school supplies and fire trucks and libraries. Even the Wall Street Journal admits that the uber-rich are currently just sitting on over $2 trillion of cash. They're not creating jobs with it. They're not re-circulating it. They're just hanging on to it hoping to make more money off it by continuing their casino games in the stock market, the derivatives market, the credit default swaps market and any other crazy scheme they can invent.

 

This has to stop. But it won't stop unless we make it stop. 400 wealthy Americans

now have more wealth than 150 million Americans COMBINED!

 

But what they don't have is the right to vote 150 million times. They only have 400 votes! Are we going to allow 400 bullies destroy the lives and livelihoods of 150 million of our fellow Americans? The time to act is now!

[napfirst]

The real micheal moore!

[Die Wahrheit]

The real micheal moore!

 

 

Thats why you are so broke now because you continue to fight the wrong fight. Keep on fighting for those who take from you. That pattern will be passed on from generation to generation.

[ReDemption]

Auto Sales were way up compared to last year at this time industry wide..What planet do you live on where you dont know that? Do you read newspapers? Watch the News? LOL

 

Nick, for one year your correct sales are up (not much), but the year isn’t over. So come down from your planet and take a look at the big pitcher. Investors and any economist will take a 10 year snap shot and analyze from that point.

 

Having said that, if you go from March 2001 until March 2011 here’s what you get.

 

GM – is down 8%

Ford – is down 9%

Chrysler – is down 7%

Honda – is up 2%

Toyota – is up 6%

 

Now if you take a look at the past year, Nick’s investment way of thinking, here’s what you have.

 

GM – is down 4%

Ford – is up 2%

Chrysler – is up 2%

Honda – is up 1%

Toyota – is down 4%

 

Now you tell me what planet you live on? I live on Earth where us "realist" look at the big pitcher.

_________________________________________________________________________________________

 

Nick, your all over the place with your posts.

 

First you say; “realize all the jobs this state has lost etc and that they need to be recreated but what should we do in the meantime until they are recreated and we get the tax base back from these jobs?? Keep spending? Dont cut anything?”

 

Then in a later post you say “I have stated on here many times that I DONT support his taxation of pensions and his ending the movie credits....”

 

Then you say say this “He is the right man for the right time”

 

Stand for what you believe in Nick. If you think he’s the right man for the job and you stand behind him, then debat and justify your reason for support with his cause. Debat is good and we need more of it.

 

We don’t need to fight each other to understand each other, is what I’m trying to say.

 

Jeff Hodges

DTP Body

Local 600

Edited April 5, 2011 by ReDemption

[DTP Nick]

Nick, for one year your correct sales are up (not much), but the year isn’t over. So come down from your planet and take a look at the big pitcher. Investors and any economist will take a 10 year snap shot and analyze from that point.

 

Having said that, if you go from March 2001 until March 2011 here’s what you get.

 

GM – is down 8%

Ford – is down 9%

Chrysler – is down 7%

Honda – is up 2%

Toyota – is up 6%

 

Now if you take a look at the past year, Nick’s investment way of thinking, here’s what you have.

 

GM – is down 4%

Ford – is up 2%

Chrysler – is up 2%

Honda – is up 1%

Toyota – is down 4%

 

Now you tell me what planet you live on? I live on Earth where us "realist" look at the big pitcher.

_________________________________________________________________________________________

 

Nick, your all over the place with your posts.

 

First you say; “realize all the jobs this state has lost etc and that they need to be recreated but what should we do in the meantime until they are recreated and we get the tax base back from these jobs?? Keep spending? Dont cut anything?”

 

Then in a later post you say “I have stated on here many times that I DONT support his taxation of pensions and his ending the movie credits....”

 

Then you say say this “He is the right man for the right time”

 

Stand for what you believe in Nick. If you think he’s the right man for the job and you stand behind him, then debat and justify your reason for support with his cause. Debat is good and we need more of it.

 

We don’t need to fight each other to understand each other, is what I’m trying to say.

 

Jeff Hodges

DTP Body

Local 600

Im not talking about Auto sales over the past ten years redemption LOL. Im talking auto sales compared to LAST YEAR just like the company just released which stated Ford is up 18% since last March(you stated 18%"Isnt much" Thats laughable!). To compare auto sales to the past ten years is ridiculous..of course they are down from ten years ago. If you would take time to read this whole thread I have been talking about how the economy is improving and jobs are slowly being added and refered to the recent uptick in autosales. Just because I believe Snyder is the right man for the right time doesnt mean i have to agree with EVERY single thing he proposes.(when you vote for someone do you support 100 percent of what they propose? Are you that much of a sheep) Like I stated I dont agree with his taxation of retirees...I also stated that most repuplicans dont agree either and it IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE to passs the house or Senate in this state..IE ITS GOING TO FAIL(IM GLAD)...Just because you dont support ONE ASPECT of his budget doesnt mean you cant support him on others...You never answered my question by the way...What should we do until we see a return of the tax base as far as income and property taxes that this state lost which is the reason we have so much less money in out budget?? Dont cut anything? Borrow MORE money to make up for the difference?...Add more state jobs therefore increasing the budget even more with no tax revenue to pay these employees? Or maybe make some cuts, though they are painfull, until we have and increased tax base and can afford these programs again when the economy recovers?? It just gets old listening to these Union protesters and their recall bullshit etc yet they offer no soloutions....Its like if you owned a business and your income was cut in half..would you be able to continue spending the same way even though you dont have close to the same income? Or you could borrow a bunch but that eventually will run out AND YOU STILL DONT HAVE MORE INCOME...Common sense would say make some spending cuts to fit your budget right?

Edited April 5, 2011 by DTP Nick

[DTP Nick]

Auto Sales were way up compared to last year at this time industry wide..What planet do you live on where you dont know that? Do you read newspapers? Watch the News? LOL

REDEMPTION..... read this post and what I said in it....I said auto sales compared TO LAST YEAR AT THIS TIME!!!!!(not over a ten year period) Stop arguing just to argue....You make some good educated points most of the time but you are taking things out of context here. Please reread whole thread

Edited April 5, 2011 by DTP Nick

[DTP Nick]

Im not talking about Auto sales over the past ten years redemption LOL. Im talking auto sales compared to LAST YEAR just like the company just released which stated Ford is up 18% since last March(you stated 18%"Isnt much" Thats laughable!). To compare auto sales to the past ten years is ridiculous..of course they are down from ten years ago. If you would take time to read this whole thread I have been talking about how the economy is improving and jobs are slowly being added and refered to the recent uptick in autosales. Just because I believe Snyder is the right man for the right time doesnt mean i have to agree with EVERY single thing he proposes.(when you vote for someone do you support 100 percent of what they propose? Are you that much of a sheep) Like I stated I dont agree with his taxation of retirees...I also stated that most repuplicans dont agree either and it IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE to passs the house or Senate in this state..IE ITS GOING TO FAIL(IM GLAD)...Just because you dont support ONE ASPECT of his budget doesnt mean you cant support him on others...You never answered my question by the way...What should we do until we see a return of the tax base as far as income and property taxes that this state lost which is the reason we have so much less money in out budget?? Dont cut anything? Borrow MORE money to make up for the difference?...Add more state jobs therefore increasing the budget even more with no tax revenue to pay these employees? Or maybe make some cuts, though they are painfull, until we have and increased tax base and can afford these programs again when the economy recovers?? It just gets old listening to these Union protesters and their recall bullshit etc yet they offer no soloutions....Its like if you owned a business and your income was cut in half..would you be able to continue spending the same way even though you dont have close to the same income? Or you could borrow a bunch but that eventually will run out AND YOU STILL DONT HAVE MORE INCOME...Common sense would say make some spending cuts to fit your budget right?

[ReDemption]

Nick, I read your post, and I understand that you said in the past year. I never said you didn’t. I have no idea where you’re coming from with that rant. Re-Read mine then maybe you’ll understand that “realist” as you put it, that live on Earth, take a TEN YEAR SNAP SHOT when making investment in manufacturing.

 

Take a look for your self, at some REAL figures: http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-autosales.html

 

As for answering your question: again re-read my post, but this time slowly and you’ll see I did in fact answer your question.

 

As for Sheep, you certainly lined up to vote for Snyder. You say that you don’t have to be behind everything the person you support. Ok here are the five things (NOT ONE, FIVE) I don’t agree with your pal Snyder.

 

A: He wants to tax pensions on Michigan retirees.

B: He wants dictatorial power to terminate Collective Bargaining contracts with his bills HB4214 and HB4215

C: He wants to make Michigan a right to work state (please read B again)

D: He wants to take the revenue gained from taxing retirees and the poor, and give tax breaks to big business (creating a larger deficit)

E: He wants to sacrifice our childrens education by lowering school budgets by $500 per student.

 

Here are my five answers to your question again. But let me point out Nick, you have never gave any kind of answers or solutions to any of the issues, that I have read yet.

 

1) Give direct tax credits for legacy costs (close the final gap between big 3 and competitors)

2) Give direct tax credits for manufacturing structures

3) Give direct tax credits for employment health costs (helps all employers)

4) Give direct tax credits for export shipping.

5) Last but not least, dump NAFTA or at least make it right.

 

All of these bring back manufacturing jobs in the US. The demise of our jobs led to the mess we are in, bottom line. Manufacturing middle class jobs are the only thing that will EVER fix any of our issues.

 

Step up to the plate Nick, lets see what you got.

 

Jeff Hodges

DTP Body

Local 600

[DTP Nick]

Nick, I read your post, and I understand that you said in the past year. I never said you didn’t. I have no idea where you’re coming from with that rant. Re-Read mine then maybe you’ll understand that “realist” as you put it, that live on Earth, take a TEN YEAR SNAP SHOT when making investment in manufacturing.

 

Take a look for your self, at some REAL figures: http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-autosales.html

 

As for answering your question: again re-read my post, but this time slowly and you’ll see I did in fact answer your question.

 

As for Sheep, you certainly lined up to vote for Snyder. You say that you don’t have to be behind everything the person you support. Ok here are the five things (NOT ONE, FIVE) I don’t agree with your pal Snyder.

 

A: He wants to tax pensions on Michigan retirees.

B: He wants dictatorial power to terminate Collective Bargaining contracts with his bills HB4214 and HB4215

C: He wants to make Michigan a right to work state (please read B again)

D: He wants to take the revenue gained from taxing retirees and the poor, and give tax breaks to big business (creating a larger deficit)

E: He wants to sacrifice our childrens education by lowering school budgets by $500 per student.

 

Here are my five answers to your question again. But let me point out Nick, you have never gave any kind of answers or solutions to any of the issues, that I have read yet.

 

1) Give direct tax credits for legacy costs (close the final gap between big 3 and competitors)

2) Give direct tax credits for manufacturing structures

3) Give direct tax credits for employment health costs (helps all employers)

4) Give direct tax credits for export shipping.

5) Last but not least, dump NAFTA or at least make it right.

 

All of these bring back manufacturing jobs in the US. The demise of our jobs led to the mess we are in, bottom line. Manufacturing middle class jobs are the only thing that will EVER fix any of our issues.

 

Step up to the plate Nick, lets see what you got.

 

Jeff Hodges

DTP Body

Local 600

Impressive thing you put together LOL. Im not going to get as detailed as you however. As I have stated many times in this post I agree with Snyders plan for this state outside of the issue Ive already stated. I must admit I agree with many of the tax credits you speak about in your post. However what you propose does nothing to help this Stae in the short term. Tax breaks etc take time to take effect(year at least) then there is the time in between when you implement a tax break and when you see the effects as far as job/manufacturing growth. In the short term I am simply stating that we have to make some drastic and unwanted cuts so that we dont get deeper in dept waiting for all of the tax breaks etc that you speak of to have any REAL effect. I love your ideas about tax breaks etc seeing that raising taxes on any one group does nothing to stimulate the economy

[xr7g428]

C'mon guys...

 

This:

 

D: He wants to take the revenue gained from taxing retirees and the poor, and give tax breaks to big business (creating a larger deficit)

 

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This:

 

1) Give direct tax credits for legacy costs (close the final gap between big 3 and competitors)

2) Give direct tax credits for manufacturing structures

3) Give direct tax credits for employment health costs (helps all employers)

4) Give direct tax credits for export shipping.

 

Basically this is asking tax payers for a massive big business subsidy, we just happen to like this big business...