spankis_maximus Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Hello all... I am looking into ordering a 2013 Ford Explorer XLT. I am looking at ordering it through my brother-in-law who is a Ford Dealership Salesman. I have a few questions regarding this process as I have never bought a vehicle through any of the Ford plans, so I am wanting some clarifications. 1. Is the D plan the correct plan? I have done some research and found the the D plan is for the Ford Dealership employees, but my brother-in-law's manager is telling him that they are quoting me for the Z plan price?! 2. What is the process on ordering a vehicle through the D plan? Do I go through my brother-in-law or his manager or can I go through the D plan site? I am not getting too many answers on this and I have trust issues when it comes to dealers... Not that I don't trust my brother-in-law, he's a great guy, I just don't trust his boss. 3. Is it even possible to order a 2013 Explorer through the D plan yet? I wasn't sure if they didn't allow you to purchase them through the plans since they have just come out. Any other advice or suggestions would be great. I know that dealers are very good at what they do and I would like to be as educated as possible on this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Hello all... I am looking into ordering a 2013 Ford Explorer XLT. I am looking at ordering it through my brother-in-law who is a Ford Dealership Salesman. I have a few questions regarding this process as I have never bought a vehicle through any of the Ford plans, so I am wanting some clarifications. 1. Is the D plan the correct plan? I have done some research and found the the D plan is for the Ford Dealership employees, but my brother-in-law's manager is telling him that they are quoting me for the Z plan price?! 2. What is the process on ordering a vehicle through the D plan? Do I go through my brother-in-law or his manager or can I go through the D plan site? I am not getting too many answers on this and I have trust issues when it comes to dealers... Not that I don't trust my brother-in-law, he's a great guy, I just don't trust his boss. 3. Is it even possible to order a 2013 Explorer through the D plan yet? I wasn't sure if they didn't allow you to purchase them through the plans since they have just come out. Any other advice or suggestions would be great. I know that dealers are very good at what they do and I would like to be as educated as possible on this! You order the vehicle through the dealer (or pick one off the lot) just like a normal sale. No difference. The only difference is the price you pay and the doc fees which are limited to $100. D plan is for dealership employees and I don't think brother-in-laws qualify. Ford has rules for plan purchases - the purchaser must be qualified and the dealer receives a spiff check in return to make up the difference to the dealer. If they're quoting you Z plan (retirees) then that means they're probably not doing an official plan sale and are just giving you a very good price (as long as they're not making it up with huge doc fees or other fees). A plan is 4% below dealer invoice and D plan is $100 more than A plan. I forgot whether Z plan was the same as A or D but it's one or the other. Just find out if it's a real plan sale or if they're just giving you a 'brother-in-law' deal on the down low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spankis_maximus Posted May 15, 2012 Author Share Posted May 15, 2012 According to the Ford website, I'm pretty sure that brother-in-law is considered family... Mainly because if they won't sell me the vehicle, I would just buy through my wife, his sister. I am almost 100% sure that the Z plan is not correct, as you stated. As far as finding out if its the real plan, how do I do that... Especially with ordering a vehicle. I believe that the dealer invoice states the Plan Pricing at the bottom of the invoice. But what about when ordering a car? How can I verify that it is in fact the D plan? The first quote he gave me was around 4% less than the invoice on an Explorer in Ginger Ale(Not a fan), but I am having a hard time finding a 2012 in a color I like with the towing package. So i figured I would just order a new one with exactly what I want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 It appears that brothers-in-law are eligible for D plan so I don't know why they'd be quoting Z plan unless they're the same price. You still get the same invoice with prices on an order - just ask for a copy of it when you place the order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spankis_maximus Posted May 18, 2012 Author Share Posted May 18, 2012 Hello there, FINALLY got a number back on the Explorer XLT... It is coming in just $450 less than the invoice... Does that sound right? Doesn't to me! I believe that the D plan should be about 3-4% less than invoice, plus $100. I didn't know if maybe the D plan isn't as discounted on the 2013 models? What do you guys think? I left a message asking for the invoice, I guess that will tell the truth, I just wanted to see what you guys thought. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 Hello there, FINALLY got a number back on the Explorer XLT... It is coming in just $450 less than the invoice... Does that sound right? Doesn't to me! I believe that the D plan should be about 3-4% less than invoice, plus $100. $450 less than which invoice? The one from Ford or the one you calculated using internet sites like edmunds or kbb? If so those don't include the advertising fee which is another $600 or so added to the invoice price. Just wait and see the invoice. Hard to say without data. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spankis_maximus Posted May 18, 2012 Author Share Posted May 18, 2012 Ok... You are right.... I got the invoice and kbb doesn't include the advertising assessment and fuel charge... When I take those out of the invoice price, I am getting the exact invoice number that KBB is coming up with. Ok, so the difference between the invoice and plan is coming out to be just under $1,400. That sounds more like it! Now on to my next questions! Is it normal to pay the adv assesment and fuel charges with the a, z, or d plan? What should I expect on other "fees," of course excluding tax, tag and title? I believe you state a $100 doc fee... I have read elsewhere that they supposedly raised this a couple months ago to like $250ish, is this true? Thanks again for all your help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 Is it normal to pay the adv assesment and fuel charges with the a, z, or d plan? What should I expect on other "fees," of course excluding tax, tag and title? I believe you state a $100 doc fee... I have read elsewhere that they supposedly raised this a couple months ago to like $250ish, is this true? The advertising fee and fuel charge is already figured into the dealer invoice and A/Z/D/X plan charges as stated on the invoice. You do not add those back in or pay them separately. Just ignore them. The only thing you should pay on top of the D plan price is tax, tag, title and the doc fee. I haven't seen anything that says the doc fee was raised. I only have access to X plan so you'd need an employee to check that on the plan website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spankis_maximus Posted May 18, 2012 Author Share Posted May 18, 2012 So if they try to charge a prep fee or dealer fee... That shouldn't be correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 So if they try to charge a prep fee or dealer fee... That shouldn't be correct? NO fees allowed other than the doc fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spankis_maximus Posted May 20, 2012 Author Share Posted May 20, 2012 Got the final price... No fees! $75 doc fee and a $6.50 battery fee. No dealer fees or anything like that! Thanks again for your help on this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Got the final price... No fees! $75 doc fee and a $6.50 battery fee. No dealer fees or anything like that! Thanks again for your help on this! I forgot that A/Z/D plan only pays $75 doc fee. X plan is $100. Glad you got a good deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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