I can say from my experience that our union meetings are a joke and i don't think we have even had three in the past two years, but it seems that when we do have one, its full of personal attacks from the same old folks. They all sit together and throw rocks everytime. Instead of trying to offer solutions or help, they are dead set on bashing Kimmons or Big Ed. I'm not a Calvin basher, but it really opened my eyes to see him at the big meeting we had at Indian River. I have voted for him in the past, but hearing him defend foreign cars and crap like that, it changed my opinion. Its a sad thing when a an ex bargaining committee does what he has done and continues to do. Most turn a blind eye to it, but if they ever took the time to come to union meetings or seeked the real truth of what really goes on, then they would not rely on rumors and lies to make an opinion or plan thier life on and we would have a much better place to work. So I think we can all say who cares anymore, the plants closing.............the question is who cared before? :shrug: