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That's what I'm getting from what I'm seeing from Pierce as well

In that installation in the Pierce, with the Scorpion, isn't the 6R140 transmission the only option? I don't believe Pierce is installing the Scorpion with an Allison transmission. I'm not sure if that is due to the bell housing or if it is just the agreement between Ford and Pierce.

I have a 2016 Explorer 3.5L EcoBoost and I can run 87 in it.

Yep, Brush trucks, tankers, etc. Years ago, you could find Rescues on KW and Petes, but lately, most of even the Rescues in this area have been custom chassis.

It would look cool, but Pierce generally tends to be among the higher priced manufacturers in the fire apparatus arena. Granted, this particular chassis, the Sabre, is a more entry level chassis.

Not sure if this was the right place to post this but looks like Ford has found another home for the 6.7 PowerStroke http://www.piercemfg.com/fordpowerstroke Fire apparatus manufacturer Pierce will be installing Ford PowerStrokes in fire engines

I have only seen that small cab extension on U-Haul trucks, so I believe it is exclusive to U-Haul. I have seen maybe one or two E-Series Chassis used with a Stake body on them.

Thanks, tried to post it from my cell phone

://www.thetruckersreport.com/navistar-may-opened-2-billion-potential-fraud-lawsuits/

I've always liked the idea of using a tilt nose on these trucks, especially the way the 6.7 PowerStroke is shoehorned in the Super Duties. Sure seems better than removing the cab!

Cab over semis were popular years ago because of length restrictions, shorter cab, you could have a longer trailer and more cargo. Those restrictions were relaxed and everybody went conventional. As for the Cargo, didn't Ford sell the rights to the Cargo in North America to Freightliner when they sold the heavy truck unit?

You could pass anything on the road but a gas station! Heck, my 77 Cougar XR7 with a 351M and C4 got 12mpg on a good day!

My guess, Class 1-3 keeps the Duramax, LCF trucks Isuzu and the conventional mediums will be GM V-8 gas and Navistar Diesels

The biggest reason the Ford-Navistar JV didn't work out, as was already said, was the 6.0 Powerstroke mess. I have read that the new GM-Navistar JV will have a Gas Engine option from GM, not sure what Diesels they will use. I know different buyers around in my area (utilities and Rescue Squads) that were buying Internationals and have switched to Freightliner. The Navistars have not been very reliable here the past few years. Navistar just doesn't seem to be able to keep a JV going lately either. First the Ford-Navistar JV and the Cat also left Navistar. I guess time will tell.

In my area, the Police Interceptor Utility seems to be the vehicle of choice, with both local Sheriff's Offices and State Police buying them for general patrol duties, and a handful of Tahoes for specialized duty (K-9, Commercial Vehicle Enforcement, etc.) Maryland State Police has been switching to the Police Interceptor Utility, only without the Olive secondary color they had been buying on sedans.

I actually think the GM/Navistar JV is going to be pretty close to being a complete class 1-8 solution. GM already has class 1-3, Navistar is already class 6-8 and isn't the first product from their joint venture a replacement for the TeraStar, which was Class 4-5?

It has concerned me as well with the current sales of the F-650s. We know U-Haul only buys gas powered trucks, and they have been holding on to the GMC mediums for awhile. Once U-Haul completes their fleet replenishment, what will happen to the sales of the F-650? Currently, Ford is the only game in town, but what happens when Navistar and GM release their new medium. I believe I read it will also offer a gasoline engine as well. I would like to see Ford get serious in the Medium Duty sector.

I've enjoyed this thread!

Interesting thought on GM buying Navistar. I knew they were doing a Joint Venture on mediums, but hadn't heard GM was considering an outright purchase.

I point out the Ambulance market because it is pretty close to me. This is a market that Ford used to own. Baltimore city had gone back to F-Series ambulances over the past couple of years from International. Their latest batch under construction at Horton are Rams.

Even on the Fleet website they are still showing the old Blue Diamond chassis for Ambulance builders. Granted, the 650s were not very popular as an Ambulance chassis, but you would think they would update it with the new Mediums, and also update the Super Duty picture as well. http://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/ambulance/ At least the brochure has been updated to the new Medium chassis! http://www.fleet.ford.com/resources/ford/general/pdf/brochures/Ambulance_2016_LoRes.pdf

Like 7Mary3 said, it is not a big market right now. I think the main reason GM is selling the rebadged Isuzus was to quickly get back into the class 4/5 market and they already had a relationship with Isuzu. This allows them to have a presence while working on the deal with Navistar.

It is a nice improvement over the current F-150

I know we've discussed this at length before, but how long will Ford continue to manufacture the current 650s and 750s with an obsolete cab along with the current E-350/450. We know the Transit isn't able to support Class 3 & 4, which is why they are continuing the Econoline Cutaways. Time will tell, and the F-650 is selling well. Does anyone know how much of the current F-650 sales are to U-Haul for the replacement of their GMCs? This could be a big part of their sales, and the U-Haul mediums seem to be very cyclical. They'll buy a bunch over a couple years then run them into the ground.

Rosy has been a major player in Europe for years, they bought a couple of smaller manufacturers here in the US to expand here. Around here, Pierce is the big one, however Rosy is making inroads. Some houses that were all Pierce have been buying Rosy. I, too, miss the old Ford C-Series chassis Engines. It was one of the most popular choices for a chassis around here. The other was the old Mack CF. While it would be good to see Ford bring back a modern C-Series, I'm not sure there is enough demand to warrant the expense. For example, for years, pretty much your only choice for an Ambulance was a Ford E-Series cutaway with a box on the back. Even when Ford dragged EMS into Diesel kicking and screaming back in 1988, pretty much they were E-Series chassis. Fast forward to today, The PowerStroke since the 6.4 wouldn't fit in the E-Series, so when International finally stopped building the 6.0, Ford would only provide Gas engined E-Series. Since Chevrolet was the only ones putting a diesel in the van cutaway, they inherited what was left of the van based Ambulance market. Many departments went to either International or Frieghtliner, but those that didn't want something that big (and personally, they are too big) went Chevrolet. Now, Chevy has stopped building the cutaway with the Duramax. Even though they had a captive market, it wasn't enough to justify the expense. Same thing with the GM Mediums of the 2000s. Those chassis were very popular in this area for Ambulances. That wasn't enough demand for GM's Mediums to survive the bankruptcy. Basically your choices for an Ambulance chassis anymore is F-Series, Ram, International or Freightliner. I have only seen a handful of F-650s used for Ambulances.