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Did you get an answer yet? I'm guessing the reason no one has responded is because they can see from your photo that the car has been extensively modified and the odds of it having the original drivetrain appear to be pretty slim. The size of the clutch is anyone's guess...BTW, nice car! Any plans to sell it?

If the UAW goes on strike I will also feel a whole better about finding a loaded '23 on the lot and at a discount. Ordering a '24 could become a real headache in more ways than one.

Now that I've put a couple of thousand miles on the Tremor I thought it would be interesting to make a few comparisons to my previous 2018 F-150. The drivetrains are very similar with both being the 5.0L V8, 10-speed auto, 4x4 with the 3.73:1 axle ratio. The biggest difference is tire size with the 275/60R18 General Grabber ATs being about 1" larger in overall diameter than the 255/55R20 Hankooks that came on the '18 which were part of the Special Edition package back then. That effectively changes the final drive ratio due to the Tremor's tires being taller and that probably also contributes to Tremor feeling a little less quick on acceleration. The greater rolling resistance of the Generals could also be part of why the fuel mileage is a little lower as well. Speaking of the 5.0L, so far the gen IV is night and day better in the NVH department. I truly hated all the nasty sounds coming from the gen III Coyote, or at least the one in my '18. It was so noisy that it was actually embarrassing to drive at times. And I'm not referring to the exhaust sound. The engine rattled and clanged so badly at times that anyone who stood near it while idling could easily have assumed it was a Diesel. So far, knock on wood, the '23 sounds like a fine watch in comparison. As far as on-road handling is concerned, the '18 was actually quite a bit better. Most of that is probably due to the lower center of gravity and the slightly less off-road oriented FX4 suspension and tires compared to the Tremor. The Tremor is not bad, it just doesn't feel as planted when cornering and has more body roll than the '18. A better set of shocks would probably fix some of that, especially the jittery feel of the rear axle. I haven't done any serious off-roading with the Tremor yet but just based on the differences in suspension and tires it should be significantly more capable than the '18. Both trucks have the electronic locking rear differential but the Tremor also has the Torsen limited slip front differential which the '18 did not have. That alone should make a huge difference, especially in low-speed traction. While the '18 had the really nice black cloth with red stitching SE package interior, the full leather interior in the Tremor, which is part of the 402A High Equipment Group package, is a significant step above. The Tremor also has heated and cooled front seats along with a heated rear seat while the '18 only had heated front seats. The Tremor should also have a heated steering wheel but that was deleted on my truck due to parts (chip?) shortages. Hopefully that can be restored at some point. The Tremor also has the B&O Unleashed 18-speaker sound system which is a huge step above what the '18 had but I'm not convinced it is worth the cost of that option over the standard 8-speaker B&O system that comes with the 402A package. Had I ordered this truck I doubt that would have been included. The Tremor also has the Interior Work Surface option and the dealer installed console safe which are nice but, again, neither of which probably would have been on the truck had I ordered it. Both trucks have the panoramic moonroof and power sliding rear window so no advantage there. As far as electronics are concerned, I have some mixed feelings there. While the Tremor can do some amazing things with cameras, driver assists, etc., I seriously doubt I will ever really need a lot of that stuff and it just adds to the cost of the vehicle. I would have been perfectly fine with what came as part of the 401A Standard Equipment Group except for the fact that it does not include the 4A (AWD) setting for the transfer case. Exterior lighting is worlds better on the Tremor. On a recent trip I had to drive after dark on country roads for about 50 miles. The auto setting on the headlights is amazingly good IMO. It was better than me when it came to dimming the lights for oncoming traffic, which isn't saying much. The only minor glitch was that it would dim the headlights if it detected a high enough reflection off of road signs on the left side of the highway. Road signs on the right side had zero effect which is a huge improvement over the auto dimming lights on my old Thunderbird SC. LOL Both trucks have the 36 gallon fuel tank so no advantage there either. The towing and payload ratings are also very similar. While I liked the exterior appearance of the '18 I was never really sold on the SE stripe package, especially the hockey stick side stripes. The orange accents on the Tremor are a little more subtle, which I like better. I have always been a fan of silver paint but I do have to say that the Azure Gray on the Tremor is even better. I also prefer the Raptor-like 18" wheels on the Tremor over the 20" SE wheels on the '18. The Raptor style side steps are also better looking and more functional. Overall I think the Tremor just has a more aggressive look. Advantage: Tremor.

While I appreciated how the system that was on my 2007 Sport Trac worked for highway use, I hated it for everything else. Any slight indication of wheel spin or instability, especially in deep snow, would automatically kill engine power. The exact opposite of what was needed. Best solution was to turn that nonsense off under those conditions.

My '23 Tremor with Dearborn consecutive build #80761 must have been built before the bed camera delete happened. I didn't order the truck. It does have three other feature deletes - Auto Start/Stop (YAY!), Advanced Security Pack (yawn) and Heated Steering Wheel (bummer) with $240 in credits. Anyone know if the heated steering wheel feature can be activated once parts (chip?) are available? I'm also seriously considering swapping the steering wheel for a Raptor wheel with the paddle shifters. The new setup with the manual shift button hidden underneath the console shifter is really annoying compared to my old '18 which had a separate "M" position on the console shifter. And, yes, I realize a raptor steering wheel won't solve that problem.

Both of my recent 5.0L F-150s ('18 and current '23) came with the 3.73:1 axle ratio so I can't compare that to any other ratio. The '18 had 32" tires while the '23 has 33s. I actually liked the throttle response better with the 32s and, so far, it actually got slightly better fuel mileage than the new truck even though the '23 has cylinder deactivation. With the larger tires and lifted suspension of the Tremor there is more rolling resistance and more aero drag so I'm sure that doesn't help. The new truck is still has less than 2k miles so hopefully the fuel mileage will improve over time. The electronic locking diff is nice but because it does "lock" both wheels turn at the same speed and it can be really annoying on gravel surfaces when making slow, tight radius turns like pulling into my garage. I specifically wanted the transfer case to have the 4A setting which is why I went with the 402A High Equipment Group on the Tremor. This truck also has the Torsen limited slip front diff. Not only does all of that make this truck way more capable off-road, but it should also eliminate tearing up the gravel driveway, especially once winter sets in.

And just to be clear, even though this truck was delivered with some damage, I still believe that I got a decent deal on a fully loaded truck. As a matter of fact, it has stuff on it that I never would have even considered ordering but am not at all disappointed that it has. As I said before, they also gave me more for my trade than I expected and discounted the new truck by several thousand dollars under MSRP. Once these few issues are taken care of, and especially after I get the supercharger installed, this will definitely still be the truck I have always dreamed of having. Kind of a middle class Raptor R that can still do things a truck should be able to do. Notice I didn't say "poor man's" which IMO is a totally ridiculous statement given the price of all trucks these days. Over the past few days I have done a couple of other mods. After seeing what the drop-in bedliner did to the floor of the old truck's bed I debated whether or not I wanted to use it on this new truck even after going to the effort of removing it from the old truck's bed. Accessories don't add anything to the trade-in value so why just give them to the dealer? I could have also gone with a spray-in liner but why spend money on something else? Besides, the drop-in liner will do a better job of protecting the aluminum bed just in case the truck is ever used in a GM commercial. I had some felt-backed vinyl upholstery material left over from another project so I decided to put some of that under the liner in the highest wear areas. Hopefully, that will prevent any serious paint damage. I did have to cut some extra openings in the liner for the Pro Power outlets and the in-bed light switch which was in a different location on the old truck. Has anyone ever tried to install a drop-in bedliner by their self? It sucks because you have to somehow get the top edge on each side underneath the top side rail of the metal bed. Removing the plastic top cap on each side would do no good as the metal flange extends down to the bottom edge of the plastic cap. The only way I could find to do it without causing major damage to the metal was to first lift the liner up on the driver side so that I could tilt the entire liner while sliding it under the passenger side of the top rail and then once that side was in place, lift the middle of the liner floor up so that the driver side of the liner could be tilted and slid under the top rail on that side. I doubt that's the way the pros do it but it worked. I also kept the rubber bed floormat that I had in the other truck. That stops most stuff from sliding around on the hard plastic bedliner and is thick enough to add even more protection against stupid GM tricks. I also added a new set of Husky brand plastic inner fender liners inside the rear wheel openings. Sorry about the crud in the photo but it's been raining here and that's exactly why I added them. Well, that and the fact that this truck will see some semi-serious off-roading, especially once archery season starts in about a month and a half.

No kidding. What happened was the truck had some body damage when it was delivered and the dealer knew about it but tried to hide it from me by, I believe, intentionally delivering the truck after dark and making sure the damaged side never saw any light while sitting in my driveway. Yes, I should have done a better job of inspecting the truck but it was supposedly a brand new truck and who would honestly suspect a dealer would pull a stunt like that? I probably should have been more alert that something was up when they were so anxious to deliver the truck. I had expressed a desire to pick the truck up in person but the salesman insisted that they would deliver it and do it for no charge. Great, or so I thought. Long story short, the damage was so minor that I didn't see it until the next day. I took the truck to my local Ford dealer whose body shop manager inspected the damage and told me at first that it could be fixed under the bumper-to-bumper warranty. I also gave him a hard copy of the correspondence I had with the dealer after I discovered the damage. However, when he talked to the selling dealer they admitted that they knew about it and claimed that it was done by the company that delivered the truck from the plant to them which means that company will ultimately be charged for the repairs. How convenient. Ford doesn't get a warranty charge and the dealer avoids a much deserved black eye. That might be true but it doesn't explain why the stock photos of the truck sitting on the dealer's lot do not show any of the damage. The dealer even installed several accessories including splash guards which are visible in the photos from their lot. That was all done before I inquired about the truck. They could do all that but couldn't repair obvious body damage? There's still something rotten in Chicago. Whatever. My guess is that it happened sometime after those dealer photos were taken and probably during a test drive. Perhaps even by the customer who originally ordered the truck. I realize that I will never know what really happened but I also have absolutely no reason to believe anything I have heard from the selling dealer. The bottom line is that it will be fixed at no cost to me or my insurance company. What pisses me off more than the damage is that the dealer thought they could get away with hiding it. How stupid can a business be to knowingly jeopardize future business with a customer that they knew had a nearly perfect credit score? Idiots. BTW, the damage on the passenger side of the bed will require that the dents be fixed, that area be re-painted and then the entire bedside be sprayed with a clearcoat blending agent. The Tremor decal will also be replaced. So, yeah, not exactly a cheap repair. Oh, and there is also a small dimple on the top of the driver side fender. I assume that happened sometime during the dealer installation of the Roush CAI. The local dealer's dent specialist should be able to pop that out without any re-painting.

Not only was McDowell's win at Indy the third in a row for Ford but it was also in a sense the third in a row for RFK because Front Row is a Roush affiliated team. Who would have guessed that even a few weeks ago?

I probably could but they are the 265s and would look a little small on the Tremor. They were borderline too small on the other truck but it didn't have a lifted suspension. The brand new 285/70R17 KO2s are the same overall diameter as the 18" Generals that came on the Tremor. I sat one of the mounted 17" Raptor wheels next to the truck and even with smaller tire it actually looked really good IMO. I thought I would have to paint them solid black or even the same dark argent as the stock Tremor wheels but I think the machined finish spokes of the Raptor wheels look great with the Azure Gray color of the Tremor. Been having quite the adventure with the dealer in Indiana. I'll pass more info on once the dust settles. Let's just say I would never buy another vehicle from those shysters. You'll be shocked by what they did. Or maybe not...

I've never had any wear issues with KO2s. As a matter of fact, I had a set of 265/70R17 KO2s on my 2007 Sport Trac for the last 15k miles that I owned it and then mounted that same set of tires on a set of 2019 Raptor wheels and ran them on my '18 F-150 for about 30k miles. I kept those wheels and tires and put the original 20" wheels and Hankook tires back on the F-150 before trading it. Those old KO2s still have at least another 10k left on them. I also have a brand new set of 285/70R17 KO2s that I intended to use on the '18 but couldn't wear the other set out before I traded the truck. At some point I will probably mount those 285s on the 17" Raptor wheels and use them on the Tremor.

On the supercharger question, I just got off the phone with the performance salesman at Beechmont. He wanted to know where as what at with everything. I had to tell him that I had already purchased the Tremor. As a matter of fact, before I made the deal with Currie Motors, I had asked him if he could get the truck I ended up buying from Currie. His response then was something about not being able to trade a Superduty for an F-150 right now. Anyway, I told him I was planning to wait a few months before getting too serious about a supercharger installation. While I had him on the phone I mentioned the fact that the Tremor has Pro Power Onboard and that I knew Ford Performance has a SC kit for that application but was not sure about Roush. He confirmed that Roush does not.

Agreed! The day the Tremor was scheduled to be delivered I was standing in the garage looking at my old '18 and questioning if I had done the right thing. I even took several photos of the old girl to remember her by. But as soon as I saw the Tremor in person all my doubts flew right out the driveway with the old truck.

Yesterday evening was the first time I had a chance to put a few miles on the Tremor and those were all on country back roads around my home. I noticed a lot of road "feel" that I didn't notice in the '18. At first I thought it was just the suspension difference but when I got home I checked the tire pressures with both the on-screen display and a hand held gauge. All four tires were at 42 PSI. I dropped that down to 34 PSI but haven't driven it since. I'll be making a road trip today on mostly interstate highways and hopefully the ride quality is not as sensitive and less choppy. Only mods so far have been installing the shorty antenna, rubber bed mat and Ford branded BAK 4 tonneau cover, all of which came off the '18 before trading it in. One thing I hadn't noticed before is the little "Gurney flap" on the plastic tailgate cap which wasn't on the '18. Next mod will be ordering and installing rear fender well liners. Those General Grabber ATXs have a little more open tread pattern than the BFG KO2s that I normally use and they pick up a bunch more of the limestone gravel from my driveway. Not cool. At some point I will probably get tired of that and install the '19 Raptor wheels I had on the other truck along with a brand new set of 285/70R17 KO2s that I bought a couple of years ago for that truck but never used. This truck came with the Generals in 285/70R18. Before I do that I will definitely need to paint those 17" Raptor wheels the same argent gray as the 18" wheels that came on the Tremor. I also included a pic of the dealer installed Roush CAI. Under that you can also see the extra alternator that is part of the Pro Power Onboard setup. The last pic is of a large foam insulation "cap" on the driver side cam cover. There's are similar caps on the fuel rails. I've seen some talk lately about the VCT solenoids on that side of the engine being one of the causes of the engine "rattle" noises common to the Gen III Coyote. Wonder if this insulation cap on the Gen IV has anything to do with that?

Haven't crossed that bridge yet. The salesman said something about a "customer loyalty" discount. When I'm ready to do the SC I'll shop around but right now it still looks like Beechmont might be the best place. They're half the distance and probably less money. The truck was delivered last evening (7/26/23). I'm just happy to get the truck for now. I can't explain why but no matter how I try to photograph it the pictures do not show the true color. The color, at least under the garage lights, is much darker in person. Almost like charcoal. If you didn't know better you would think it was Carbonized Gray. The attached photo comes the closest but it is still too light. Most of the other pics I took looked more blue than gray. All I can say is Azure Gray looks ten times better in person than in photos. Very impressive at night. I can't wait to see it in direct sunlight. The other odd thing about Azure Gray Metallic Tricoat is that on my window sticker it says NO CHARGE. I wonder if that's because this is a 402A truck or if that's typical on all Tremors? Like I said in an earlier post, on another 402A Tremor there was a $795 charge for Star White Metallic Tricoat. BTW, both trucks were built in Dearborn. I hope this doesn't change with more miles but right now the Gen IV Coyote sounds worlds better than the Gen III in my '18. No goofy tapping sounds or any of that nonsense. That was the one thing that I truly hated about that truck. At times the engine literally sounded like a piece of junk. Not all the time but when it did it was disgusting. The '23 dealer demo that I test drove with 1400 miles was also quiet as a mouse. Tomorrow will be tonneau cover day. ?

Too late anyway. LOL. The Tremor will be here sometime this week and surprisingly they are delivering it at no additional charge from 500 miles away. They will also be taking the '18 back with them. Here are some stock photos from the dealer's website:

I just got off the phone with the dealer who has that truck with the extras. Turns out it also has a Roush CAI which is not mentioned on the window sticker. They are also a Roush dealer and the salesman I talked to said they would probably offer a customer loyalty discount if I had them install the supercharger. I also sent them a copy of an offer I had from the local dealer with the dealer demo Tremor. That showed the trade-in allowance the local dealer had offered for my '18 and they are willing to honor that. The salesman is sending me a sales agreement form as we speak. Oh, the truck I found is Azure Gray Metallic Tricoat (which is similar to Area 51) and has the 402A High Equipment Group along with a slew of other options including the moonroof, Pro-Power Onboard, Trailer Tow Pkg, B&O Unleashed 18 speaker sound system, Torsen front diff, Bed Utility Pkg (which includes the tailgate step), Splash Guards, Wheel Lock kit, etc. There is also a possibility that they can deliver the new truck and pick up my old truck, for a charge of course, which I haven't heard yet. I would keep the Ford drop-in bedliner, rubber bed mat and Ford tonneau cover from the '18 to use on the new truck. Those are all things that I added myself. You said you are looking for a used truck? How does a 2018 F-150 with under 39k miles sound? All you have to do is beat their trade-in enough to cover the sales tax difference. LOL

Beechmont is about 300 miles from the truck I found with the $5400 discount. I've asked them if they could get that truck. I doubt they would offer the same deal as the listing dealer but it's worth a shot. If not, I have no problem driving the extra 200 miles to get the discount. Also depends what either of them is willing to give me for my '18. The truck I found also has some dealer installed extras including the $400 in-cab storage vault.

And you're right about that. I was just doing a search and came across a new '23 V8 Tremor fully loaded with everything I would order plus more for about $5400 off MSRP and the dealer is about 500 miles away.

Speaking of good deals, what do you know about Grainger Ford?

That's definitely a fun read. That exact same truck was at the Cralisle Ford Nationals show this summer. Unfortunately, I was so focused on the Ranger Raptor that I walked right by it and had no idea what it was. They also had a blue crewcab 4x4 there with the same setup. Of course that was also the same day Ford announced the FP700 package so I had no idea what I missed until a few days later. Have you seen any of Cleetus McFarland's youtube videos? He had a giveaway truck with a blown Coyote that was totally insane.

Paid off the '18 F-150 today. Decided to save myself some interest. Had seven months remaining on the loan had I continued making payments.

Naw. Bragging would be if I lined up all of my real Fords and posted pics of those. ?

I picked up 18 Ford 1/18 scale die casts this past weekend. A friend is selling off his approximately 400 piece collection and I was able to cherry pick what I thought were some of his best Ford pieces. I got several iconic Ford racers including Parnelli Jones' Ole Bull Baja Bronco and his '70 Trans AM champion Boss 302, three of Ohio George Montgomery's Mustang and Willys gassers, two '64 Thunderbolt drag cars driven by Phil Bonner and Les Richter, the '67 Fairlane Georgia Shaker super stock drag car driven by Hubert Platt, the original '70 F-250 Bigfoot monster truck, the '68 Shelby Trans Am Mustang coupe driven by Jerry Titus, a '66 GT40 MKII in Gulf Blue, several Boss and Shelby Mustangs including a '69 Black Jade Boss 429 which is identical to the actual car I owned back in the mid '70s, an R code 427 '67 Fairlane, a '70 Cougar Eliminator and the '68 Steve McQueen Mustang from the movie Bullitt. He still has a few Fords remaining and tons of GM and Mopar cars including Bill Jenkins and Sox & Martin drag cars. He is a Mopar guy so there are lots of other historic Plymouth and Dodge drag and street cars all in excellent condition with the original boxes.

I just got off the phone with the Ford Performance rep at Beechmont. Really nice guy and he was able to answer most of my questions. The main difference between the two SC kits is the fact that Roush uses the Eaton TVS R2650 (2.65L) blower while Ford uses the Whipple 3.0L blower. Even though the Roush has less displacement it is tuned to provide more horsepower (705 vs 700) and more torque (635 lb ft vs 590 lb ft). I'm not sure if Ford does their warranty the same way or not but Roush gives you a 3/36 warranty on the powertrain which cancels the factory 5/60 powertrain warranty. I haven't researched which kit is considered better nor have I seen any comparisons but that is something I plan to do. Although this doesn't effect the '21 and up gen IV Coyote, which uses a belt driven oil pump, the guy at Beechmont also told me that if you change the oil pump gears on a pre gen IV Coyote that will void your Roush warranty. He also claimed they have never had any issues with the factory oil pump gears. Right....? Another interesting thing I just discovered is that Ford Performance offers two different F-150 kits for the '21 and up, one for trucks with Pro Power Onboard and another for trucks without that option. That could play a part for me as I would like to have Pro Power Onboard but was under the false impression that you couldn't install a blower on a truck with two alternators. Assuming Roush doesn't offer that option, that could sway my decision in favor of FP. This is getting better all the time. ? https://accessories.ford.com/products/2021-22-f150-5-0l-supercharger-kit-w-pro-power-onboard