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52k on my f350 and just got DW last week for the 1st time. Parts on BO..

Please stop making sense.. it isn't a good look.

There is nothing wrong with the EB. Your point is invalid. A NA 3.5 was pushing 290hp, 253tq and was terrible off the line really requiring you to rev the crap out of it. The 3.0 is 400/415, HUGE difference.. a NA 3.5 cant compete whatsoever. And yes,I'd love the 5.0.. 460hp, 420tq and can easily throw a SC on it.. and to add that roar. That isnt knocking the EB at all. You wont get a v8 roar out of a NA 3.5 lol.. so again, your point is completely invalid with what I said.

Then this just changed because Koons was doing it as little as 6 months ago when I was researching prices and talking to their Sales Manager.

Pricing doesnt include destination fee and the high doc fee which equals close to an extra $2,000 in fees. Koons remove the dest fee from proce to make it look like a bigger discount and adds it back into the low price after. And unless a very high demand vehicle, they sell all their vehicles at invoice - full holdback. This is a dealer thing, not manufacturer.

How many 2.0, 2.3, 2.7, 3.0 and 3.5s are out there? Just because one has had an issue doesnt mean the hundreds of thousands all have it. Everyone on here should know that by now. How about all the blown up 3.5s with the internal water pump that leaks all their coolant into the engine? I would sell my 2020 ST in a heartbeat if they offered the 5.0 in it. That V8 sound is really the only thing missing out of the current ST.

What?? You realize the 2.3 is rated quite a bit higher than the 3.5 that was in the 5th gen?

Already discussed here.

Coming 2020

This is a fantastic looking minivan. Always been a fan of this since it came out.

Sync 4 will have a 15" option.

I bought my ST because I wanted a performance vehicle. The ST has an insane amount of power and incredible cornering with a fantastic upgraded performance brake package. Nothing compares to it unless you look at a DodgeDurango SRT and even with that said, it's a Dodge. If it wasn't for the ST trim, we probably wouldn't have gone with an Explorer. Also with a $60k sticker, we paid $52,200 for it. With rebates and dealer discounts, I've seen people getting them for $50k with the same sticker now, even one quoted OTD with a $49,xxx price tag. The ST for me is an incredible trim and I love just about everything about it overall. So yeah.. that's what sold me from the get go on it.

That is just plain stupid. I can't wait to see everyone sell their stock and cash out on the quick profit.

There is no accumulating or tracking. When you buy the vehicle, you automatically get 42,000 deposited. You automatically get the first 3 services for free. I agree it isnt like Hyundai and I gove them credit for doing it but it is very simple. There is nothing you need to do but tell them to use your points.

So 42,000 points is worth $210. Here is the breakdown from the Ford owner report. 7,500miles (11,000 points), 15k miles (11,000 points) and 22,500miles (20,000 points) services are covered. Those 3 equal 42k which is what Ford gives you. If you buy a diesel you are issued more points (75k) to cover the same 3 services. All you have to do is tell the cashier who you would pay for the service that you want to use your points and they can pull up your account and use them.