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Is what you wrote a stereo type? Are stereotypes discriminatory? Is all this negative in general or just opinion? Are we entitled to our own opinions while on Blue Oval? "Some of the buyout people are negative" :stats: Too many questions so little time......

Obviously your degree arrived after 1985, otherwise you would be familiar with the phrase trickle down. Look it up in one of your college books

This is why the original Framers believed it was important to have a bill of rights with the Constitution. The Framers setup the Executive, Legislative & Judicial system as a means of checks, and balances to protect our rights against abuse. The early settlers felt it was necessary to leave England, to avoid the abuse of power which was occurring in England. The judicial system is suppose to keep the Executive and Legislative branches in check. This is difficult to do when the Bush administration fires Federal Judges...... politics at its worse. Our rights are under attack, WAKE UP AMERICA regardless of party platform, government is to be of the people, by the people. The American people should support publicly financed elections, set public spending limits, remove special interest from the campaign.....

What are the trades doing when they aren't installing or tuning new equipment? Meeting with vendors to discuss opportunities for improvement relating to the equipment they supplied, evaluating inventory in general stores looking for cost reduction opportunities, manpower reduction projects that TAR out (TAR is currently 100% ROI), Gas Fired equipment audits, Legionella audits, CPARS e.g. parts & purchases, Throughput issues, over cycle issues, etc.......On top of break downs and all the pet projects the IE's have. Oh and somewhere in there is planned maintenance a concept sometimes lost at Ford You really could be a Lean Manufacturing Manager with a question like that. FYI no company ever cut their way to profits, (hint) it's in the product.

Why is the line down? Parts shortage related to equipment? No production parts? Blown up gearbox? need more info... Maybe I should bury my head in the sand then I could be you, and things would be normal in a perfect world. The plumber shot was kinda shitty :shades: If I over simplified cycle time, it was because I wanted you to understand.

This was old Ford.... The programs in the new Ford have been cut to the point vendors will not serve coffee and donuts. Besides just repeat the same BS phrase "this is Ford Spec" or "this change has been bought off by VO." Repeat the same phrases for any question and you have a buy off meeting. Minus the coffee and donuts... I just realized I'm passing the blame... forget what I said, the automation will make cycle time on it's own. Even if the gearbox will explode because it can't handle the speed required to make cycle time. Those scum bag skilled trades cause all of this you know. :reading:

Cycle time, is the amount of time it takes to complete any given operation, on any given line. If 99.9% of the operation was designed by brand X vendor, WHY SHOULD IT TAKE TWO YEARS TO GET IT UP TO SPEED? I can throw all the "ethic" I want at the problem, but the more "work" I put into the operation will count against my efficiency. Which is called first time through or throughput. People on the outside know this as Harbor Hours.

May his soul rest in peace

"Ouch" I sense anger in your reply I respectfully disagree with your position "Other than making sure they are payed properly", but then again, isn't that what's being said when I wrote "if this is true then what is the supervisor doing". Let me explain, if I were to assign a job, and the people on the job did not show up until 2.5 hours into the shift then I would start their time when they started. Furthermore, the supervisor should do more than just pay people. Let's hope, for the sake of Ford, that the supervisor has more expertise than just being able to navigate the payroll system. In closing, I wouldn't suggest the supervisor chase grown men or women, but I would suggest that "you" tone down the sexist remarks..... Have a good day

Typical VO ME day: 7:30 arrive at plant meet with dept. ME, review failures (opportunities) from previous production day, compare the production loss of today, with the previous 12 production losses (opportunities) 8:15 am leave ass kicking meeting 8:30 am Meet with vendor at production line, and review alarm codes in PLC 8:45 Vendor states they followed VO specs when building automation, VO ME agrees with Vendor together they agree to reset alarm values, any alarms from this point will be new alarms; therefore, the issue is now a maintenance concern (opportunity) 9:00 am Vendor and VO ME meet with dept ME, VO explains how the issue has been fixed, the VO ME explains the problem was a plant maintenace concern (opportunity) 9:30 am The VO ME and Vendor leave, they travel to the next plant with a maintenace concern (opportunity), before leaving they send out a meeting notice trying to help the dept ME identify future maintenance opportunities 11:00 am somewhere in Ford the cycle repeats itself (not to be confused with cycle loss meeting)

If this is true, then what is the supervisor doing? If the supervisor allows this to happen, you may have identified part of the problem.

This discussion has been around a while. Merit and ability or Seniority. Every trade has people within the trade, with strengths and weaknesses. Just like a general practitioner and a heart specialist, if I have a heart problem I'm going to see the heart specialist. With that said, a fair process needs to be established when putting together a project crew. First of all, not every trade person is interested in working construction projects. When merit and ability are equal, seniority rules . The type of job will determine the requirements of the people who lead the task,(too many chiefs not enough Indians is no good) the rest of the project is filled with people from within the trade(s), any overtime follows overtime equalization. .........................................Just an "opinion"......................................................

Lets see... an apprentice comes into a trade after being on the line for X amount of years..... and a journeyperson teaches the apprentice how to do the job. The journeyperson passes on X number years of experience.... helping the apprentice become a journeyperson..... then the apprentice passes the journeyperson in seniority..... something wrong with this picture ......my guess is the apprentice may not get taught much... who knows the apprentice may even wash out of program based on journeyperson evaluation.

Rumor has it the shift reduction will affect: 940 production.... 43 trades divided amoung ele, m/w, pf, tm, carp etc.... Is that better no specific seniority range

I knew trades from the powehouse "May their souls rest in peace" and to the people who suffered through the experience I wish you well one and all.

Please excuse my humor. Algebra is that better, I was having fun with the electrician trade. The point is, if people are to switch trades in mid stream (so to speak) why box yourself into "millwright". It is just as easy to be an electrician, as it is to be a millwright, as it is to be toolmaker etc etc..... What test round peg square hole.... once agian this is humor, I have to stop I'm having too much fun.......wiggy wiggy wiggy

Why all the focus on welder / Millwright if you are going to change trades..... go for Electrician, a little algerber, a volt meter, add a little ladder logic and poof all the hard work is done by someone else, if you get into trouble call an automation engineer PLC this ..... too funny

Which is why the dues paying TPT are allowed to vote including buyout people.

Never worked there, but did hear a bunch a stories, when MCC opened up they took people from the Rouge (trades) and it was their choice to leave the Rouge yada yada, so they were giving up recall rights to the Rouge if MCC closed, turns out MCC closes, and all these people who choose to leave now want back in to the Rouge, and a big fight starts (verbally) turns out former Rouge people were allowed back, even though it displaced some people out of the Rouge yada yada Bottom line was you needed like 71 trade senority to hold the Rouge otherwise you ended up parts unkown. Any truth to the story, it's been along time since any discussions about it.... I think that issue is what lead to 84 leveling senoirity but don't quote me. 1974 (trade)... you must have what pushing 40 yrs senoirity unless you hired in off the street as trades

Brake pads have been changed since 03 when Ford discovered through JD Powers, that a small percentage of the Expedition owners were not completely satisfied with the wheel appearance, due to brake dust. While brake dust is a common appearance issue on all manufacturers, Ford in a effort to satisfy their loyal customer base, made a proactive change in the Expedition brake pad. As always, total satisfaction is the Goal at Ford, we thank all of our customers for that loyal support. JD Power surveys are an important tool for Ford and their customers so let your voice be heard.

It's trickle down 101..... Supply and Demand.... other Auto Companies are asking for reductions, Why shouldn't Toyodie get thiers, kick the dog when its down. This is Show Business NOT Show Friends Hey didn't the Air lines and Delphi do the same thing. Almost like they have this universal playbook and their playing it play by play. Word of advice to American Public EXPECT RIPPLE EFFECTS THROUGH THE ECONOMY.... Those damn auto workers

Sounds like a throughput issue. Why don't you DMAIC for us....

Hence the request for "VOLVO" engine... Ask any super duty owner about their truck... Love the interior, the room, the ride, cargo capacity, etc.... wish it had a different motor, man that Cummins sure is quiet..... VOLVO would put them over the top, talk about conquest sales, I thought Alan had questions about all the different platforms, maybe an opportunity exist to consolidate resources

OH!!! Baby now you're talkin the Ford 350 , 450 etc with a Volvo or Cummins diesel (perferably VOLVO)...I'm sportin a chubby just thinkin about it .... Just don't let Power Train or the bean counters touch it ..... Like use this wiring harness