Bagrah01

suv_guy_19- Will you grow a back bone or are all Canadians like this? Ed- You must be epidome of the lowest common denominator, at least that is what coming across in your posting. Step away from the computer and calm down, this is just my opinion. Feel free to purchase any vehicle you like, even a Lincoln. No need to take my posting into account. Yes Ecoboost sounds promising, but its not available now, odd again considering Mazda has "Ecoboost" vehicles currently in production. Furthermore, if these ecoboost engines are wrapped around any of Fords current NA sheetmetal and interiors, why bother?

My my things sure have gotten vile around here. Rich- No I don't think myself better than anyone. Just work hard for my money and can't justify, currently, spending it on a Ford Mike- "If the Edge had HID headlights and three rows of seating I would have one." If Grandma had balls she would be Grandpa. If and but don't cut it, either you can live with the products they have now or you simply don't buy them, as you have chosen not to do. J-150- Sorry about your mother's Benz, they are beatiful fast cars, albiet unreliable, but beatiful and fast. Alas, it seems you were unaware of reliable competiting models, let's see. There is the Infiniti G35, Cadillac CTS, Lexus IS 350, Acura TL. Honda Accord Toyota Camry, Nissan Altima, Chevrolet Malibu, Infiniti FX, Lexus RX, Cadillac SRX, Lexus GX, Acura MDX, Honda Civic.............. Should I continue?

First, why do you guys take my personal criticism of Ford so personally? Second, what is a negaspasm? Third, there is just nothing to heap praise on? This shouldn't be the case especially with the engineering talent of Mazda, FoE, , at their disposal. I want a desirable sedan or hatchback, not a truck, not a SUV, not a Crossover, I am not getting that from FoMoCo. I expect a competive power train, modern conviences, above average quality, low maintenance cost, some personal luxury, emotional design aspects, and exceptional safety. That leaves me with what? Mazda Speed3 and............?

Yes, superior to a "lowly" Ford. No I'm sticking around, just venting my fustration. BTW, why don't you drive a core Ford brand product, being such an advocate and all I thought that would be a simple choice?

But superior none the less.

I have watched this board go back and forth over the years, and I have come to this conclusion. Continue driving your Fords Mercurys, and Lincolns. I can't do it, at least until this company builds a product that has trully competive in all aspects and not boiled down to the lowest common emotional, mechanical, and functional denominator :boring: . It appears this business model has attracted an audience, I just can't be a part of it. It is trully saddening as I was once a proud supporter of the Blue Oval. There is no life or passion here. I just can't spend my hard earned coing for a (especially Lincoln) ___________ when I can have any number of its superior competitors for the same price? I am begging you Ford, give me a reason, and yet here I am still waiting all these years later.

I wonder where Ford got this idea?

Actually toyota is well cushioned. Plenty of cash, new product (gas efficient vehicles at that), blah, blah, blah. I know its sickening but it fact.

The number to look at was Highlander sales, especially in comparison to November.

What I'm saying demand for the Edge will most likely go down as newer competition, (Flex, Murano, Pilot, Venza, etc.) comes online and recession fears give pause to buyers, December is the beginning. BTW Tim a Highlander comes with the 3.5 V6 Standard and only optional powertrain is the hybrid synery drive.

Please don't take my word for it. October http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/index...showtopic=17978 November http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/index...showtopic=19004 December http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums/index...showtopic=19708 All referenced from here and competing websites. http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=27379

Yes the Highlander was the best selling mid-sized CUV of December. Although it was introduced in October slow sales start was due to ramp up of production. I believe they're selling like hotcakes now, at the Edges expense. I believe this trend will continue with the introduction of the New Murano, Pilot, and aforementioned Venza and Flex.

The Highlander is Toyota's 7 Passenger CUV not the Venza and the Highlander was #1 in December.

Other than the questionable interior center console design, think its quite hansome, however I also think the Highlander and Murano are absolutely stunning. On a side note, the Venza is based on the Toyota FT-SX concept that debuted at the 2005 Detroit Auto Show, pre-dating the Ford Edge. I hope Ford can withstand the one-two punch (Highlander and Venza) of Toyota, let a long pile on by Nissan and Honda. Sales for the Edge are already slipping and when is the Flex going to be available at dealerships?

We can only wish. I'm sold. http://jalopnik.com/342341/detroit-auto-sh...eaks-officially

Yes and no. There are many many players in this segment and the Fusion isn't offering anything the Camry doesn't have.

Full of venom, dude we aren't Toyota apologist, we all acknowlege Toyota has performed to their usual Toyota standard, but it had to happen at some point in time. Nobody is perfect. Why can't you acknowledge Toyota, gaining market share, at any cost (again because they can afford to do it) is a threat to a very crucial segment for a cash strapped Ford that needs every F-series sale it can smuster. Furthermore big HP and accerlation brings buyers to your showrun, especially buyers you didn't have before. You bought the best truck, maybe the slowest, but arguably the best. BTW it must really stick in your crawl that you line of logic follows could be applied to the majority of FoMoCo core brands? :reading:

Hit a nerve I see.

At the end of the day, your last sentence is all most buyers care about. Everthing else is a bit esoteric. Toyota dumps it down into real world results everyone, buyers included, can see. The F-series may be the work horse of the bunch, unfortunately only real truck buyers and automobile enthusiast know this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uH_qnCCBY0...feature=related

Please, please, please, remember this statement when people talk about the Fusion, Focus, Edge, Taurus, All Lincolns, All Mercuries. :shades:

If they could borrow some tech from Land Rover and make it at least as off-road capable as the LR2 that would be fanstastic.

Now if Ford could translate this relatively unchanged in production form, they would have me back in a heart beat. http://www.autoblog.com/photos/detroit-200...concept/558338/

Grasping? Just answer the question. The fact that Toyota was still able to sell that many vehicles even with quality gaffs and shrinking market share, put simply is disturbing. We all acknowledge Toyota is making mistakes, but they're also hitting homeruns and have boatloads of momentum. What is Ford doing to stop this, shrinking and producing stop gate products? Frankly its not good enough to get me or many other buyers back to their core brand vehicles. If Toyota, Honda, BMW, Subaru, Mercedes, Nissan, Hyundai, etc. can build "cars" people want in the US, why can't Ford?

Yes I was quite aware of the fact you were using the FJ only as an example. My point missteps by Toyota aren't as disbilitating as missteps by Ford, especially in a hostile market. :shades: What if the F-series was in a similar situation as the Tundra? So again you can harp on the Tundra all you want its not going to be Toyota's undoing.

Only if competitors have products to compete. Fusion, Explorer, Focus, Escape, Taurus X, All Lincolns, All Mercuries, ain't cuttin it and currently "hot" products are looking old compared to newer competition. BTW Exactly how many FJ competitors are there and BTW didn't I acknowledge Toyota's mistakes in my previous post?