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They should. They should also be earning full Ford UAW wages with benefits.

I think you can thank Ralph Nader and Kathleen Harris for W. These 2 aside, Al Gore did win the popular vote in 2000.

It might be best for them to just not say anything. Everything they have said did not happen so they would just seem more foolish than they already do.

NGP ACH temps are getting the bonus also.

Not according to what we were told. Kansas City and Chicago are "special opportunities contigent upon the sale to Zeledyne going through." We were told if the sale did not go through, "everything was off the table on the transfer options." We were also told that if the membership voted the Zeledyne contract sale down there would not be another vote, so we know how that went.

Things sure have gotten quiet, haven't they? It will be interesting to see if they try to enforce the flowback when we were all told by the IUAW that "all of the opportunities for flowback were contigent on the sale to Zeledyne".

100 to 1 odds he will be back. Maybe under another user id. What an embarrassment to the UAW and all unions.

I don't think some of the younger generation realizes how good they have it with the job security they have have seen. I was laid off for 9 years in a row on top of other layoffs. This is more time on layoff than a lot of them have on active seniority roles.

Should age even factor in to the equation? Is it our fault we a a year or two younger, or that someone was older when they came to work for Ford? Everyone lost time, some more, some less than others, so it seems the only fair way to give any time back is to include all who lost it, regaurdless of age. Time was already restored to some who hired in before June 1, 1977 as they were allowed to transfer to other facilities in 80's while others who hired in June 2, 1977 were not allowed to transfer. Now they want to exclude some of the same group again. The international reps at the contract ratification votes in Nashville for the previous 2 contracts before this one [1999 & 2003] told us we were getting our time back. They even showed us in the "Highlights" booklet where we were to get it back. Both times there was additional language in the national contract that excluded some of us by a few weeks of our reinstatement date. How much more expensive could it be to go back to age 48 for instance and get these people out of the system. In my case I will miss being 50 by 102 days. When I sell my house and move my family you can count on me staying at least another 10 years, maybe more. I might even stay longer, after all, I will have to be age 68 to receive full social security. I am not trying to shoot the messanger, just give food for thought.

I believe we had 89 Ford people to sign up for flowback to Ford plants at NGP & Carlite Warehouse combined. This number could be off a little.

Looks like the deal may be put off more just 30 days. Could be a while. It will be interesting to see how the transfers go as we were told we still had to meet the 5pm Friday deadline to sign up.

We were told the IUAW did not sign off on it because the salaried side did not take any significant pay cuts. Don't know if this is correct or not.

Looks like the closure date has been extended.

We were told yesterday that "there would not be any openings anywhere in the Ford system other than Chicago and Kansas City after the buyouts" by an IUAW rep. How do they know this in advance? Could something fishy be going on?

And now your sign will read ZELEDYNE by ACH. Go figure.

Yea. Nothing against these folks that got their time back, but a lot of them hired in 2,3 or even 4 years after some of us that did not get it back.

I think Ford missed a lot of people with this round of buyouts. With the 3 years of service added back I have 29.2 years and would take it rather than move but I will only be 49 years old. When I take the transfer I will stay prabably 6 or 7 more years.

ZELEDYNE by ACH We were told this is what our new outdoor sign would read. Could this be called "union busting at its finest" or was this a true transfer of ownership?

The opportunity may not be there, but if it is, it should be allowed on a seniority basis.

It just seems that if plants 300 miles closer to home have openings we should be offered these. If these plants don't have openings then Kansas City is not a problem. I think the catch is we will have to wait and see how many vacancies the Enterprise Wide buyout creates.

We have been told 2 different numbers on amount of temps in Chicago to be replaced. One number is 80, the other is 800.

You have to give them an A+. Mission accomplished in Nashville.

It is only for employees who already qualify for the 50 or 55 years old package. Age 49 won't work. It should come as a separate check to supplement your pension check. Check with your local rep to be sure.

Are these offers on the table for them now, recent past or when the plants closed?