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No,this is not my first agreement. Rather my 7th not including the 2 modifications. And u can believe what you want. All that i can say is that this friend would have absolutely ZERO reason to lie to me and has tipped me off to a few other nice tidbits throughout the years as he's come across them. I dont claim to know who the ad is for, could be Lear for all I know, but it does seem to be a fairly high dollar amount for Leer or the likes. And a full page ad would signify an immediate need for a lot of people. Just my take on the info ive been given.

A very close friend that works for Times just texted me that they received an order for full page ad in classifieds saying this: "Fortune 500 looking for help in the Auto Industry with wage of 20.00 dollars an hour. All applicants considered, previous experience preferred. Any experience as team leads may lead to higher wage." Make of it what you will, but it looks like we might have a fight on our hands.

While I agree that the timing of the 'announcement' is somewhat suspect. What in this contract would make you think that place was staying open? The Highlights specifically say at the bottom of page 2, "Twin Cities: As previously announced, the Twin Cities Assembly plant will close with the balance out of the Ranger at the end of 2011." Seems pretty open and upfront to me. Damn, was right in the 'Highlights'. Can't even complain that it was in part of the agreement you didn't get to read. Please quit bitchin just to bitch or at least do a little reading before you do so you don't appear to be completely in the dark.

Excellent point RN4! I want my production seniority as my trades seniority and vice versa! And while I'm at it, can I get my cake and eat it too?

Hello, I would like to bring your attention on a new post published on the UAWLAP.org Site. Details of the post follow. In Solidarity, Steven M. Stone Chairperson Update 5/25/11 Thanks to all the members who voted last week. About 70% of the active members voted. Please, take time next Thursday and Friday to vote in the runoffs. For our TLO's: TLO employees who have June eligibility will be paid for unused vacation and personal time less 16 personal hours in this period and the remainder in the next pay period. These payments are not wages and do not need to be claimed to unemployment We are waiting on the official timing on our TT Build (tooling tryout), the pre-production build and ‘Job 1’ date at the Louisville Assembly Plant were the plant can finalize plans for recall dates for the TLO's, Return Homes and the ILO's. Also, the plant is waiting for all the 'transfer of operations' from Kansas City and the posting of skilled and non-skilled jobs ‘out-of-zone' posting to be completed. This is affecting decisions of UAW members at Ford around the country including here in our own Region at the Indianapolis plant. Also, rumors in other plants about LAP manpower needs are getting ridiculous. Currently, the plant needs at least 80 additional tradespersons for a two-production shift and an additional 115 for a three-production shift. Of that number a total of 24 electricians are scheduled to start on June 6th and July 11, 2011 along with another group to start in August. LAP has put out a letter in the plant asking employees who know of qualified electrician to apply for potential opportunities. We will not be able to determine the number of jobs until the KCAP 'transfer of operations' is completed. There was a job posting recently for electrical journeymen throughout the country, including AAI, Indianapolis, Michigan Assembly, Milan, Rawsonville, Saline, Sandusky, and Sheldon Road. Only, one electrician accepted the posting. Eighteen electrical apprentices will be starting to take their physicals during the weeks of May 16, 2011 though June 6, 2011. Other skilled trade additions to LAP will though KCAP 'transfer of operations' and nationwide postings at eligible Ford facilities. As of May 5th, UAW/Ford has 7685 active skilled tradespersons, 495 at ACH plants, 284 in production and 36 on layoff. I have been in contact with other plant chairs and Presidents on a regular basis about our manpower needs especially with Dan Huddleston, President/Chairperson from Indianapolis whose plant is closing. Local 1111 and Local 862 are the only Ford locals in UAW Region 3, Ky/Ind. Hope all Laid Off Brothers and Sisters that want to go to Louisville or back to their homeplant get that opportunity really soon. Solidarity Forever!!!

Okay, maybe I've been under a rock. What are you talking about?

6+ YEARS? Wow, with no chances to transfer in 6 years? What kind of seniority? What Trades? That sucks!

No, I was merely stating the stipulations tied to the enhanced moving allowance language. If you've never accepted the enhanced then the 36 month rule wouldn't apply. A lot of people don't realize that there is a time limit or layoff requirement before you can re-qualify.

You do realize that if you haven't been at KCAP for at least 36 months or no one is laid off at your plant you can't qualify for the enhanced moving allowance($30K). Since when have you seen this company do what 'HAS TO BE DONE', as you put it, when it will cost double? Wake up you're not rolling in reality Twin!

Oh, so you guys have already received the Transfer of Ops postings? I guess you're right. It only makes good business sense to move you for $30K and then me to replace you for $30K. When all they had to do was offer to fill the original spots the first time with Laid Off folks. $60K to fill one spot? Looks like them LAP postings are gonna end up being a mighty expensive endeavor for the company.

LAP people had the opportunity to transfer because there were 600 jobs that went unfilled and they were out of SUB( ie. Laid Off). All but a handful reserved their RTBU rights and are now headed back. Please tell me how to interpret what it says if it doesn't mean what I said. Change in product with no reduced employment means transfer of ops SHALL NOT APPLY.

Twin try reading your Master Agreement Vol. 1. Art. VIII Sec. 24B. It clearly says that the Transfer of Ops language SHALL apply to a plant that is closing or continuing on a REDUCED EMPLOYMENT basis. It shall NOT APPLY to partial transfers of ops. incident to adjustments in production schedules or CHANGES IN THE PRODUCTS AT ANY LOCATION. Reduced Employment you WILL NOT have, but a change in product you will. So you tell me. What is the intent of that language and what does it say? What you think should happen is...while you're working a full time job, with the security of new product announced, you should be able to transfer just because. While others out here, some with as much as 20yrs seniority, should sit out in the street while they run out of Sub & TAP and should be told to get in line behind you because you don't want the job you've got you want to cherry pick where you live. And on top of that, they should be made to wait another 2 years with NO manner of income to provide for their families while they wait on KCAP's retool to be complete to take a job you didn't want to start with? How Union of you Twin. Screw Brothers and Sisters with NO job cause you want to get back to living 6 hours away from where you originally came. I contend that you're dead wrong on what the language says, if you've even read it. And that ANY effort by either KCAPs local Union or the International to give you guys transfer of ops opportunities is purely political with NO foundation in the contract. Are your 2 hours a month somehow better than mine? The International MUST follow the letter of the Agreement and follow the Hierarchy of placement. 1. In Plant laid off / RTBU., 2. In Zone L.O. 3. Out of Zone Laid Off and 4. ACH locations. TRANSFER of OPERATIONS DOES NOT APPLY in this circumstance. And for the record, in 2006 I put KCAP as my one and ONLY Flowback choice. So No it has nothing to do with where I'd rather work, just that I'd rather keep working.

Can anyone explain to me how or WHY Kansas City would have the 1st chance to transfer to LAP when the company has released press briefings claiming that there would be NO job losses at KCAP with the new product? Especially when we have people around the country currently on layoff and/or facing a certain closure and layoff with no in zone plants to go to? T of O language was specifically designed to make job assurances to those members that were being told that their job was going to be LOST and moved to plant X. Not just because you build an Escape and so love it that you should be paid $30K to get to keep building it somewhere else while your plant gets new product with NO job loss. Because we here in Indy had our 'Operation' 'transferred' to an outside company we get NO job assurances or priority Transfer opportunities. The IUAW should live up to the letter of the agreement on Transfer of Ops. No job losses = No Transfer of Ops. If jobs, at LAP, are still available after the RTBU and laid off have been given an opportunity then by all means KCAP should be given an opportunity the same as anyone else. Here is the article that says all current jobs will be retained http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=33930.

Yeah, at Indy we've had trades laid off long enough that they've already run out of their 39 weeks of Sub pay and are now on the TAP program.

Just would like the opportunity to keep working period let alone in a productive plant with caring employees. Indy is slated to close in late November/December and the company will not commit to a firm transfer opportunity. We have nothing in zone and no prospects outside of the 'promise' of some Louisville ops at this point yet IUAW nor Company have given us any insight as to what the future holds for us or any timelines. How are we supposed to plan for our families futures like this?

Has anyone heard a 'definitive' timeframe for trades postings yet or when the first group of trades transfers might be needed at LAP? Indy is dying a slow death and would love to know if there's going to be any light at the end of the tunnel soon or ever for that matter.

Did anyone else hear if the KCAP Transfer of Ops postings will be going up this week?

Yeah, I'd be really interested to know why all the interest since KCAP's trades DO NOT have transfer of Operations due to the new investment announcement. No lost work, No transfer of Ops. Trades are connected to a facility NOT a product line. Those Ford employees from plants that are being closed or sold should have first opportunity to transfer before an employee from a plant with new work announced.

What has happened to our Union? Rumor is they are allowing the company to not post openings before filling jobs with temps. All the 'Dearborn' people who are getting to go back home on the voluntary transfer are creating openings and those jobs HAVE to be posted or why do we have a Union?

Letter put out today at Indy by the Local Chairman.

Just read your Benefits book on Sub pay benefits. It's always been in there when figuring the Sub Pay formula. 95% of your take home(your personal exemptions will effect everyones differently) less $30 for expenses then taxes are assesed on the new amount. That's been the way they've figured Sub pay for TLO's for a long time. Now ILO's are figured on the same formula without the $30 a week taken out. This is straight contract language and was part of the 1st modification from last year. Don't take my word on it though check it out for yourself.

F#CKing WAAAAH!!! My employer GAVE me a computer that didn't last as long as I wanted. Most likely because of all the Beastiality Porn Sites you were visiting. I only get paid $70,000.00 a year to have a High School education and attach part A to Part B. How many thousands of people do you think would stand in the cold for days to have your job tonight? You're right we've given enough!! Look, I am a proud and appreciative 3rd generation Ford Motor Company United Autoworker. I don't take the life I've been able to provide for my family for granted. I'm thankful to the UAW. I also understand that the auto industry is cyclical. You can't always go to the table and ask for the moon and stars. Sometimes you have to actually look at the facts on the ground and play to your strengths. Get the work when you can and position yourself for the next negotiation. It's absolutely beyond me how anyone is voting NO on this. I wanted to hate this agreement as much as anyone when I heard the delegates were being called back up to Detroit. I was proud of my Chairman a couple of weeks ago when he came back and I heard how he and the entire delegation told King and Gettelfinger they were in no mood for more concessions. But then they came back with this agreement and I was shocked. I expected pay cuts, benefit cuts and possible retiree cuts. There was none of these. Just a no strike clause on something that we'd never strike on. And a pay freeze for the Entry levels for the life of this agreement. That means 2011 NOT the 2015 thats been highly reported. There's nothing that says that the Union can't ask for a raise either. Just that Arbitration would ultimately decide whether the company could afford it or not if the parties couldn't agree. Then you look at the gains, Trades pay for trades working production, something trades has been trying to get for years. Pay raises for the Pipefitters and Millwrights at my plant by working on a team. New work for almost every plant in the system, besides mine of course. I just would get a chance to move because we're not getting any product commitments. Yet, even without the Indy letter I'd still have voted YES. We need to build on our marketplace momentum. For the betterment of ALL. This going down will most likely stop that dead in its tracks. All I'm saying is think for yourself. Educate yourself with the agreement before you just get swept up in the Vote NO fervor. Mindless is voting NO based on misinformation and emotion.

"IT COULD NEVER HAPPEN TO US". Have you NO COMMON SENSE??? What happens to your workers if in the next 6 years inflation drives up 30% like it did in the early 90's, or 70% in the late 70's, or even 100% like it did in the late 1910's??? You'll be the first one out on the street with a sign saying, "WILL WORK FOR FOOD". INFLATION! INFLATION!! INFLATION!!!! WE ALL NEED TO WORRY ABOUT IT, IT IS A POSSIBILITY Did I say "IT COULD NEVER HAPPEN TO US"? No, I didn't. Why don't you tell me the last time the UAW struck the Big 3 over wage and benefit increases? We haven't struck since '76 and it wasn't for pay and bennies then. Striking over wages and benefit increases allows the company, by law, to lock us out and bring in Scabs. That's why it'll never be for pay and bennies. Sourcing and Health/Safety, yes. So what are WE really being asked to give up? Have you no common sense, sir? It's PR for Wall Street people wake up!