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Not too far from the truth

The further both parties stay away from arbitration the better

First ones in will be the first to transition to our rate of pay once we hit 20%.

Oh God no............ Don't tear the barn down..... Please, I plead... Not the barn We will have no sources for all of these rumors NNNNNNNnnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !!!!!!!

Its an analogy of the republican agenda. Kinda like snyder did to the Michigan citizens Ah yes........... The lie that Reagan started. We can call it Reaganomics or Trickle Down Economics or Bush Tax breaks for the wealthy 2% to create jobs I call them the same package of voodoo economics that dont work or create 1 job. The only thing trickling down on us is yellow and warm,,,, not one job!!! Remember the bush tax breaks for the rich Obama extended because they are the "job creators"...??? now you know the rest of the story............. that cash never finds its way back in the economy creating jobs. But the sheeple continue to buy into it.......... Oh well move along nothing to see here

After the previous 8 years change was good (finally). Stabilized economy, saved the auto industry and blessed the American people with health care raising our healthcare status with other industrialized nations all items he promised to do.............. Now again dont avoid my question Mr Spinner Where are the TEABAGGERS???? We have a breach in the Teabagger creed, a Governor Raised Taxes, Imposed New Taxes and is taking away our freedoms. Where art thou TEABAGGERS ??? Please answer Thank you

Well, at least you learned the process for next time.

I heard there was a secret meeting in the pole barn out at saline and they cut a deal where we all get $50,000

Here is the address in case you want to ask him why he is not a member of BOF. 8000 East Jefferson Avenue Detroit, MI 48214-3963 (313) 926-5000

What is amazing to me is snyder>>>>>>>> Raised taxes Imposed brand new taxes Installed jack booted thugs a financial manager to bust union contracts Cut K- 12 education And gave all of the revenue (from robbing the weakest citizens) to business to the tune of 1.3 BILLION DOLLARS !!!! All of this and not 1 peep from the teabaggers of Michigan Remember the teabaggers they are the ones protesting tax increases, new taxes and government taking away our freedoms I ask this............. Where are the teabaggers?????

He is demeaning and condescending in his comments. He could have easily achieved getting the message across with out using demeaning terms and innuendo. Fields said:"Last year, the company did well and ... we paid about $5,000 per hourly employee (in profit sharing) in a very difficult environment where their neighbors and friends otherwise are not working," said Fields, who added that the amount paid was significantly more than the profit-sharing formula in the current Ford-UAW contract required. Empires definition: We got $5,000 average profit sharing last year. Fields did not have to say that. He only said it to get public support for his extreme pay. If it wasnt for the UAW Fields would have paid us $2,500 of the $5,000. See what a good guy Fields is Joe Public !!!! Fields said;At a time when many of their neighbors still aren't working, he said, they shouldn't expect pay raises from a company whose average labor costs remain higher than those of its competitors. Empires definition:Don't even expect 1 item returned from the modifications. You are lucky to have a job. Look at your neighbors. Fields said "Job security is hugely important to them. For example, you go to our Chicago plant, which is running very well," he said. "But that's an area of the country where there's a lot of unemployment. Their neighbors aren't working." Empires definition:You are lucky to have a job. Look at your neighbors. Very pompous and demeaning I trust the UAW will hold the line on concessions. Our current rates are competitive, true. I also trust the UAW will be successful in bargaining a good agreement that will keep us competitive, get products and investment and some creative way see a small bump in our income through bonuses or other. And yes a republican response

8.8 million..... Typical Republican response...... Steal from the poor and middle class and pad the wallet a little more. How demeaning!!!

First I would like to ask how $70 - $30 = $58 Second I understand we only have around 100 entry level now. Hardly enough to lower 40,000 of our master level wages. Please read my post again cut and paste below >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. "I really dont understand why you continue to ignore the fact that the higher the entry level the lower out labor rates to gain job security and the fact we have nearly 3,000 entry level waged members now." I said entry level waged----- Understand??? That's 3,000 members that earn entry level type wages. That is a significant amount of people to substantially lower our rates to the current $58 per hour. The VEBA and COLA included with the 3,000 lowered our rates to $58. Is that so hard to understand??? I'm trying to be polite, but please read and understand the posts before you respond.

I really dont understand why you continue to ignore the fact that the higher the entry level the lower out labor rates to gain job security and the fact we have nearly 3,000 entry level waged members now. As stated below we are pattern with GM and Chrysler on hourly rate of pay and health benefits yet their labor rates are much lower than ours. (not healthy) Why???? Because they are in the hiring mode bringing shifts of entry level on and blowing us out of the water on wages and investment. Ford is high on labor rates..... $58 per hour is troublesome, yes better than $70 per hour but I am hopeful the IUAW will negotiate more product and investments based on hiring more entry level to get us competitive with GM and Chrysler. An impossible task to even hit 20%.( A hiring frenzy of 7,500 new people will not happen in 4 years to hit the 20% anyways) Also add the shift at TCAP to the numbers below that are mostly reloaded temorary full timers. You will quickly see that we are closer to 3,000 people at entry level wages. A benefit to gain a lower wage rate. The current $58 per hour is not attainable by VEBA alone. The close to 3,000 Entry Level waged currently working knocks down our labor rates substantionally. _________________________________________ Current labor rates for product and investments in USA/UAW facilities Chrysler $51 per hour - Higher entry level utilization than Ford entry level GM $55 per hour - Higher entry level utilization than Ford entry level but less than Chrysler Ford $58 per hour - Entry Level just under 100 members, LTS negotiated in 2007 around 800. Dropped our labor rates substantially from the 2007 $70 per hour rate as well as the VEBA and COLA. _________________________________________ Transition ALL LTS to entry level plus fill the CAP 3rd shift ( 1,100 people), LAP shortages with 3 shifts (1,200 people), MAP 3rd shift (manning shortfall 200 people). Once the 2007 investment windfall takes full effect these entry level needs will be hired ------> 2,500 new jobs>>>>>> Lowering our rates (closer to GM and Chrysler) again to get even more product in our under utilized Engine, Transmission and Stamping plants with another 4 year commitment of assembly cycle plans. I am thoroughly impressed with the vision of the UAW and the ultimate success in job security for our entire UAW-Ford membership in the worst economic conditions this country has ever seen.

Flat tax makes sense but the lack of the ability to write off line items will have the wealthy pushing away from a flat tax. Hence, Wealthy will not support = Republicans will not support

Bob King does not work for Blue Oval Forums and I really doubt he even knows this site exists. If you want to send him a letter here is the address. I have always gotten a response the several times I have written concerns and questions. 8000 East Jefferson Avenue Detroit, MI 48214-3963 (313) 926-5000

Ah yes........... The lie that Reagan started. We can call it Reaganomics or Trickle Down Economics or Bush Tax breaks for the wealthy 2% to create jobs I call them the same package of voodoo economics that dont work or create 1 job. The only thing trickling down on us is yellow and warm,,,, not one job!!! Remember the bush tax breaks for the rich Obama extended because they are the "job creators"...??? now you know the rest of the story............. that cash never finds its way back in the economy creating jobs. But the sheeple continue to buy into it.......... Oh well move along nothing to see here

Oh and the hiring people part..... No such provision. You would think if snyder truly was looking to lower the unemployment rate he would have given tax breaks for the businesses that actually hired. They wont even put an estimate out there to identify potential because there isn't any. This really was a political pay back to the rich............. Unemployment will stay in the 12-13% range during snyders dictatorship. This is a fallacy that hasn't worked since reagan. Remember the bush tax breaks for the rich Obama extended because they are the "job creators"...??? now you know the rest of the story............. that cash never finds its way back in the economy creating jobs. But the sheeple continue to buy into it.......... Oh well move along nothing to see here

From what I understand there are several recalls for the Senators and Congress that supported this travesty. There were some Republicans with sense not to increase and invent new taxes, so the republicans that had a lick of sense voted against this huge burden placed on our weakest citizens and will be supported by the voters. The republican voting was not by party line. Those are the types of Republicans that get my vote.

I dont know maybe you are also high. Your self proclaimed "loaded question" was not on the thread when I posted to Marginal Economist. I didnt ignore it simply was not posted when I responded to Marginal Economist. Now back to your "Loaded Question" I voted for Snyder on the platform of "reinventing Michigan" . I believed the whole spin on him not being a career politician. More for the people. A Nerd if you will. How wrong I was. He was actually a Wall Street insider who put a huge burden and taxed the snot on the poor, middle class and seniors while giving all of the new taxes directly to rich business. A complete shell game and one structured with the full court press of the republican agenda I did not organize the recall. Marginal Economist was just asking why there was a recall and I answered. I am not part or never have been part of a recall so I dont have any knowlwdge of a recall for Obama. The other poster gave you info that there is no such avenue to recall a President so maybe that answers your question. Party on Cheech

Current labor rates for product and investments in USA/UAW facilities Chrysler $51 per hour - Higher entry level utilization than Ford entry level GM $55 per hour - Higher entry level utilization than Ford entry level but less than Chrysler Ford $58 per hour - Entry Level just under 100 members, LTS negotiated in 2007 around 800. Dropped our labor rates substantially from the 2007 $70 per hour rate as well as the VEBA and COLA. Transition ALL LTS to entry level plus fill the CAP 3rd shift ( 1,100 people), LAP shortages with 3 shifts (1,200 people), MAP 3rd shift (manning shortfall 200 people). Once the 2007 investment windfall takes full effect these entry level needs will be hired ------> 2,500 new jobs>>>>>> Lowering our rates (closer to GM and Chrysler) again to get even more product in our under utilized Engine, Transmission and Stamping plants with another 4 year commitment of assembly cycle plans. I am thoroughly impressed with the vision of the UAW and the ultimate success in job security for our entire UAW-Ford membership in the worst economic conditions this country has ever seen.

good post The investments gained in 2007 were well negotiated and yes it was concessionary. We all benefited with solid job security, something that was quite dire before the 2007 agreement. I do agree if there was a way to keep our rates competitive without entry level one of these "labor groups" would have suggested it. These groups fall way short in offering an alternate plan and would have us on the path to losing jobs to mexico and canada. Job Security would be hard to find.

I didnt respond to your quote. I responded to Marginal Economist If I was responding to you I would have quoted your quote. Are you drunk???

New republican Governor - Check Majority Senate, republican - Check Majority Congress, republican - Check First 6 months as Governor 1) Raised taxes on Lower class 2) Raised taxes on Middle class 3) Imposed a new tax on Senior Citizens 4) Cut K 12 funding 5) Takes away communities elected officials power by assigning a jack booted thug finacial manager to take away collective bargaining agreements at the stroke of a pen All of this to balance a budget you say???? No,,,,, He gave tax cuts to the rich business community to a tune of 1.3 BILLION dollars Make no mistake these republicans want blood from the poor, middle class, unions and seniors to give to business. They simply are dividing this country.. Yeah, I would say the election was invalid because he never campaigned on doing any of these travesties

The car wash perk was not part of the buyouts. Thats a deal breaker for me!!!