Flying68
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9 hours ago, akirby said:
We’re talking past each other again. It was implied the only way to get price protection from Ford on a x plan order was if the plan pricing box was checked on the order. That’s the part I disagreed with. When the dealer submits to Ford for price protection Ford calculates the rebate based on the original order date and price code. You get it no matter what was on the Dora.Now it’s true that the Dora shows you the original x plan price but you could also just write it down or get it on a buyers order or the plan pricing worksheet. But that’s irrelevant unless the dealer agrees to charge you the original price up front. If they charge you the current invoiced price and you have to wait for the price protection rebate then it really doesn’t matter since Ford will calculate it and send you the check regardless.
If I’m missing something please point it out.
Certain dealers have been known to feign ignorance on price protection. Getting the current plan price on the DORA is one way to protect yourself and help keep a dealer honest. Also getting the plan pricing DORA allows you to sign and make the dealer sign a buy order stating that will be the price at delivery.
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2 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said:
Man, I don’t see how anyone could afford it. Timberline can get into the 6 figures, I can’t imagine what this would cost.
Is that with dealer markup, because build and price, fully loaded is in the mid to high 80's depending on accessories and the rear seat entertainment.
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So reading this it sounds like because of the engine rules changes for 2026, Ford and Red Bull will co-develop an all new engine package for the 2026 season that will run on sustainable racing fuel. Still 1000 Hp, but now 470 from the electric motor and 530 from the ICE. Also eliminating the electric motor connected to the turbos.
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4 hours ago, mackinaw said:
I wonder what's with that running board, or whatever you want to call it, that is directly beneath the doors?
31 minutes ago, twintornados said:It looks like part of the sidewalk on the other side of the car.
Nope, definitely part of the car. It just looks awkward because the bottom sill is black and then you have a bit of body color peaking out from under the black plastic wrap.
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2 hours ago, jasonj80 said:
Why do you think something will not be shown to replace it this year?Whatever they show this year needs to be available for sale in 2024. The problem Ford has had is introducing vehicles and then having it take 2 to 3 years for it to actually hit the showroom floor. I don't understand why they don't already have a Mach-e derived BEV for Lincoln. The incremental volume wouldn't be that great and would easily earn more than each Mach-e sale.
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On 1/24/2023 at 7:42 PM, akirby said:
So the Ford engines won’t have anything in common with production engines.
Just like NASCAR…….
Think of F1 as a engine R&D center for developing the next generation of motors.
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28 minutes ago, Rick73 said:
He’s not burning gasoline in addition to burning coal, he’s burning gasoline instead of burning coal. And since coal-fueled electricity to power BEV or PHEV generates more CO2 than equivalent-size ICE vehicle, he’s actually doing less harm than if he switched to a BEV or PHEV “today”.
Please keep in mind that EPA ratings expressed in MPGe are based on completely “clean” energy producing no CO2, but while that may be a future goal, it’s not what we are actually working with today. When you see a Tesla with 120 MPGe rating, powered from coal power plant (US average 33% efficient), it’s really closer to 40 MPG before transmission losses. Also, coal produces far more CO2 than gasoline for same amount of heat, so BEV and PHEV are no help in reducing global warming if electricity is generated by burning coal.
I was seriously considering buying a BEV, but the more research I do, the more I believe ICE or especially HEV is presently a better and cleaner choice.
What does the electric source have to do with MPGe? Nothing. The MPGe is purely a conversion of the amount of kWh in an equivalent gallon of gasoline. There are 33.7 kWh in a gallon of gasoline, so 120 MPGe equals 3.56 m/kWh. The Lightning Platinum has a combined MPGe of 66, which is 1.96 m/kWh. The source of the electricity or the gasoline has no impact on the efficiency ratings. And if you are going to consider the greenhouse gas emissions from generating said electricity, you also need to consider the emissions of creating gasoline. All in all, if you look at the data and research, BEVs generate less emissions over the entire process than ICE vehicles, from production to driving. That accounts for the total mix of electrical generation in the US and the actual production of the vehicles including batteries.
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One consideration is that as more PHEVs enter the market, the more likely they are to be bought by people that don't know how a PHEV is supposed to work, or by people that don't have access to charging infrastructure at home or work. They are just buying a vehicle because they need transportation and the window sticker MPG is high. So it isn't surprising to me that real world use of PHEVs is trending to be more like pure ICE vehicles. When PHEVs first came out they were limited supply on few models, so only those that really wanted one, and thus knew how to maximize their benefits from it, were buying them. Now not so much.
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The dealer in my home town had their Lincoln franchise pulled. Small town, rural farming community, didn't warrant spending $$$ on a standalone building when they have Ford, Chrysler, Jeep, and Ram all in one building. They also have no interest in EV's. I doubt they have the local infrastructure to handle DC fast chargers. Nearest one is 30 miles away.
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3 hours ago, Deanh said:
irony is givenCalifornias constant "drought" situation, they are literally dismantling Dams
There are a lot of valid reasons to eliminate dams, which were constructed a long time ago on the premise of flood control and irrigation when historical water flows and rainfall were much higher compared to the historical record of the southwest. Those reasons no longer exist, and the existence of many of those dams is killing the downstream ecosystems because there isn't enough water flow anymore. Hydro power was a byproduct.
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3 hours ago, rperez817 said:
Ram Revolution, Chevrolet Silverado/Sierra EV, and Tesla Cybertruck are all designed from the ground up as BEV and are not based on any existing ICE powered pickup trucks. By definition, that makes them BEV optimized.
For sedans and CUV / SUV I can see it making a significant difference. With a pickup, I don't think there is all that much to be gained or lost, it is just packaging. The optimization would be in the manufacturing cost, not necessarily the function or capability. As a traditional truck has a ladder frame, the battery pack placement is dictated by fitting within the existing frame rails. An optimized design would push out the frame rails wider in the center and use the battery pack structure to provide the torsional stiffness, leading to a bit less weight, however the function of the pickup is not going to be altered that much. I would venture to say that the TE1 platform based Lighting will still look like an F-150.
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32 minutes ago, rmc523 said:
Super Duty has shared the F-150 cab since the 2017 redesign.That F-150 cab got massaged (including new door skins and cabin) for its 2021 redesign. What we saw in the 2023 Super Duty was this same “massaging”, and now it seems we’re seeing it also apply to chassis cab models.
Whether they finally transition to this shared cab on the Heavy Trucks 650 and 750 remains to be seen. Personally, I’m not sure why you’d want to keep making a separate (older) cab for that low of volume on the heavy trucks even though they are a cheaper steel cabin, but I’m sure they have their reasons.
Tooling is already paid for and amortized out on the older cab. Switching to a newer cab would mean new tooling and redesign as the 650/750 aren't dimensionally the same as a 450/550/600.
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30 minutes ago, Bob Rosadini said:
Did you see the WSJ article a few days ago? Many chip producers are now faced with a coming surplus???
Recognizing that not all chips are "equal".
Those are the advanced process nodes, i.e. graphics processors and cpu's. TSMC scaled up considerably their advanced fab capability during the crypto boom and are now left with excess capacity on those fabs as demand cratered. Automotive chips are still built on older fabs. It would actually benefit the auto industry to consolidate their IC's to newer, more modern chips.
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2 hours ago, twintornados said:
So PHEV? Or more Chevrolet Volt style where the motor runs a generator that charges the BEV portion and is not directly connected to the drivetrain.
More like a BMW i3. The gas motor would be optimized to run a generator and isn't connected at all to the wheels. The current Volt is a standard PHEV with a direct mechanical linkage. Even the gen 1 volt had a clutch pack that could lock up to provide wheel torque in high speed driving. A range extender though can't do anything more than charge the battery and usually at a level of charge below what the drive motor power draw is.
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10 hours ago, FirstFord22 said:
I went with 50% over the entire windshield, but I actually wish I would have gone a little darker. Made a huge difference with the hot summer Florida sun.
Just an FYI for everyone, tint below the AS1 line on a windshield (or 4 to 6" below the top depending on the State) is illegal in every state.
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$TSLA is still trading at close to a 40x EPS multiple compared to ~20 for Toyota and ~10 for GM and Ford. Much of their higher multiple had been predicated on their near monopoly in EV's and the promise of fully autonomous vehicles. As investors have not only seen increased competition and shrinking market share but also have come to realize that FSD will not ever be more than level 2 driver assistance for the foreseeable future, they have been driving the price down. Once the share price is around 25x EPS, it will be a buy.
Elmo's lack of focus on operating Tesla is not helping either. Tesla needs a full time CEO, not one running 2 other companies.
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4 hours ago, twintornados said:
Hard to tell, but I don't see any leaf springs in the rear.
From the rear shot you can see the u-bolts on the axle where the spring perches would be. I don't know of any coil spring design that would use those.
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Just looked up what mine was, it had a paint code of DM for Peacock Blue and Wimbledon White. Interestingly enough, peacock blue cross references to winter park turquoise and pagoda green for Ford. So many blueish colors look identical to me.
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5 hours ago, akirby said:
It’s not that simple. It’s a business problem not socialism.
If every dealer gets allocation and one decides to sell below invoice then no issues.
But if you start giving extra allocation to lowballers then you’re taking allocation away from the other dealers and pretty soon only the lowballers get allocation and other dealers get nothing in the most extreme case and nobody is making any money and customers who want to buy from their local dealer can’t.
Ford has to juggle keeping dealers and customers happy because they need both. It’s a complicated situation. Incremental allocation was created to help smaller dealers with lots of orders get theirs built faster. I’m sure they didn’t envision the lowballers taking advantage of it.
As a consumer your view is screw it give me the best deal and I don’t care about dealers but Ford simply can’t do that.
2 hours ago, Monoman said:Not true in my case. I prefer to shop local and small if the price is fair. I tried to work with my local dealers to meet in the middle somewhere. They would not budge which was well within their right. They shouldn't complain to Ford but they probably are.
The internet changed things in favor of consumers. Dealers who don't compete on price and service should rightfully die. If a small dealer in a small market wants to survive they don't necessarily have to be the lowest price, but they need to be priced where it isn't cheaper to go elsewhere, i.e. don't make it cheaper for your customer to fly somewhere to buy than to buy from you. In the old days, dealers could charge whatever they wanted because it was harder for the consumer to get pricing and inventory data, now not so much. I firmly believe orders should be 1st come, 1st serve no matter who you ordered from. In some ways this may sting big dealers (with large overhead costs) harder than little ones.
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1 hour ago, 92merc said:
My dad had a 1967 F100 2WD in turqouis frost. I tracked down the guy my dad sold it to. But the trail went cold from there after he sold it. That was sold 20 years ago. So I'm guessing it's gone. Found this one, similar color same year. Had to buy it. Missed dad's old truck. Now I have my own.
My 68 is the that same color with the white cab top, it wasn't nearly in as good of condition though. It is now sitting with my dad's red 68, both collecting dust.
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2 hours ago, rmc523 said:
Another caveat to that is that the government was involved in the GM bankruptcy.
It was more the fact that Old GM had the franchise agreements. New GM was created out of the bankruptcy and was free then to negotiate new agreements or not with the dealers. It was more a function of the bankruptcy law than anything.
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The 6.2 in my dad's '19 F250 did just fine pulling an 8000lb camper up and over Berthoud Pass this summer. Gas mileage wasn't great ~8 mpg roundtrip, but I wasn't lacking power. I wasn't blowing past people like some of the diesels do, but was able to maintain the speed limit, which is fast enough going up and down the pass. Interstate I kept it at 75 on the flatlands. I would have been curious to see if the 10 speed would have improved things vs the 6 that it had.
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2 thoughts here. 1st you would need to make sure a 17" rim will clear the front brake calipers. Even if the steel spare is 17" doesn't necessarily imply a 17" aluminum wheel will. 2nd thought is if you do go down on the rim size, a 265/70R17 is identical in tire diameter to a 265/65R18. Tirerack has 132 tires listed at 265/70R17, with 77 of those being AT and 44 of those being 3PMSF rated.
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The capless filler port is pretty convenient, and it prevents vandalism by using a double flapper valve (second one doesn't open unless the first one is completely open), which is why you have to use the special filler nozzle that is included if you need to fill with a gas can.
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Need someone to review my website build against what the dealer ordered
in F150 & Raptor Forum
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Looks like there is a $40 difference in the base price (website is higher) and your web build didn't include the CHMSL Camera removal and the Auto Stop Start removals, otherwise they look the same. 301A is the mid package.