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I push the break peddle in too, and I have let it time out quite often since mine is set for only 5 minutes No problems for me.

Ford Escape sales drop again but set sales record Business FirstDate: Thursday, January 3, 2013, 12:58pm EST Ford Motor Co. reported increased U.S. sales for December, with vehicle sales rising 2.9 percent, according to a news release. Overall, the company sold 214,222 vehicles in December, capping a year when total sales rose 4.7 percent to 2.25 million. “Ford finished 2012 strong, with retail sales showing improved strength as more customers returned to dealer showrooms,” Ken Czubay, Ford’s vice president of U.S. marketing, sales and service, said in a news release. “Ford’s fuel-efficient cars and hybrid vehicles showed the most dramatic growth for the year, and we achieved our best year for commercial vehicle sales since 2008.” Ford’s car sales rose 22.8 percent in December and 5.3 percent in 2012. Sales of utilties, including the Louisville-made Escape compact sport-utility vehicle model, fell 3 percent in December but rose 7.1 percent for the year. December Escape sales fell 21.3 percent, to 20,131 units, but sales for the year rose 2.6 percent, to 261,008 units. The Louisville-built had a record sales year in 2012, surpassing 2011 record sales of 254,293 vehicles. Ford’s F-Series sold 68,787 vehicles in December, up 0.7 percent. For the year, F-Series sales, including sales of Super Duty models made in Louisville, rose 10.3 percent, to 645,316 vehicles. Dearborn, Mich.-based Ford (NYSE: F) operates the Kentucky Truck Plant and the Louisville Assembly Plant in Louisville.

yes I like the old way much better

Now that, is an over reaction. Only $2,000

Wow only $2,000 dollars more. That was one expensive Escape. I think the dealer sales person saw you coming from a long ways off and said looks like I just made my bonus for the month. But hey look on the bright side you have a 2.0 that will take to to and from work.

I believe the reaction on these message boards are a overreaction. I think the ones that post are the people that are frustrated and are venting. Yes they had problems with their Escape's and yes been threw the recalls maybe more than once, some are fed up, I believe that, but the new Escape for the most part will be a great little car. When a person only reads these message boards they may walk away with a very distorted view, for the most part people are very happy with their car, minus the inconvenience with taking their car in. In my honest opinion. Owner of a SEL 1.6 150 miles 21 city 30 HWY. approximately so far. Thoughts?

EVEN BETTER. http://www.at.ford.com/news/cn/Pages/QA%20with%20Raj%20Nair%20Regarding%20Fix%20in%20Voluntary%20Safety%20Recall%20of%202013%20Escapes%20and%202013%20Fusions%20with%201-6-liter%20Engines.aspx Q&A with Raj Nair Regarding Fix in Voluntary Safety Recall of 2013 Escapes and 2013 Fusions with 1.6-liter Engines Dec-10-2012 1:00 PM ET DEARBORN - @Ford recently interviewed Raj Nair, group vice president, Global Product Development regarding the fix in the voluntary safety recall of the 2013 Escapes and 2013 Fusions with 1.6-liter engines. ​ Q. What is today’s announcement? A. Today, we announced corrective action to address potential engine overheating that could result in engine fires in 2013 Ford Escape and Ford Fusion models equipped with 1.6-liter engines. The vehicles were subjects of a voluntary safety recall announced Nov. 30, 2012. We are making updates to the cooling system software to better manage engine temperatures during a unique overheating condition. The original cooling system design was not able to address a loss of coolant system pressure under certain operating conditions. The new software will resolve this issue. The software update fix is to approximately 73,500 2013 model year Escapes and 15,800 2013 model year Fusions equipped with the 1.6-liter engine. Q. Why did it take more than a full week to find out what was wrong and to find a fix? A. We took the time that was necessary to conduct a detailed engineering analysis to find the root cause and to find and validate the remedy. The timing of the remedy was fully dependent on conducting the proper analysis and fully validating the solution. We recalled the vehicles before having the fix identify because it was in the best interest of our customers. Q. Is this the same issue as earlier this year when we recalled 2013 Escapes for potential fires? A. The prior recalls addressed specific root causes that are not related to this recall. We are making updates to the cooling system software to better manage engine temperatures during this unique condition. Our software was not robust to a loss of coolant system pressure under certain operating conditions. The new software will resolve this issue. Q. Are these changes you made to fix the issue in North America going to be implemented in the 1.6 liter engines in Europe? A. No. We conducted a thorough investigation in Europe with the 1.6-liter engine and have determined there is no similar issue in Europe and no need for a recall. Q. Do EcoBoost engines run hotter than non turbo charged engines. Is this a problem with all EcoBoost engines? A. No. All internal combustion engines have components that run hot. This cooling issue is unique to the North American 1.6-liter engine. Our data shows that the European 1.6-liter and our other EcoBoost engines are not affected. Q. Are we concerned about multiple recalls? A. Our focus is on providing the highest-quality vehicles to our customers and responding quickly when we identify potential issues. The recalls are part of our process and our commitment to quality and to customers.

EVEN BETTER. http://www.at.ford.com/news/cn/Pages/QA%20with%20Raj%20Nair%20Regarding%20Fix%20in%20Voluntary%20Safety%20Recall%20of%202013%20Escapes%20and%202013%20Fusions%20with%201-6-liter%20Engines.aspx Q&A with Raj Nair Regarding Fix in Voluntary Safety Recall of 2013 Escapes and 2013 Fusions with 1.6-liter Engines Dec-10-2012 1:00 PM ET DEARBORN - @Ford recently interviewed Raj Nair, group vice president, Global Product Development regarding the fix in the voluntary safety recall of the 2013 Escapes and 2013 Fusions with 1.6-liter engines. ​ Q. What is today’s announcement? A. Today, we announced corrective action to address potential engine overheating that could result in engine fires in 2013 Ford Escape and Ford Fusion models equipped with 1.6-liter engines. The vehicles were subjects of a voluntary safety recall announced Nov. 30, 2012. We are making updates to the cooling system software to better manage engine temperatures during a unique overheating condition. The original cooling system design was not able to address a loss of coolant system pressure under certain operating conditions. The new software will resolve this issue. The software update fix is to approximately 73,500 2013 model year Escapes and 15,800 2013 model year Fusions equipped with the 1.6-liter engine. Q. Why did it take more than a full week to find out what was wrong and to find a fix? A. We took the time that was necessary to conduct a detailed engineering analysis to find the root cause and to find and validate the remedy. The timing of the remedy was fully dependent on conducting the proper analysis and fully validating the solution. We recalled the vehicles before having the fix identify because it was in the best interest of our customers. Q. Is this the same issue as earlier this year when we recalled 2013 Escapes for potential fires? A. The prior recalls addressed specific root causes that are not related to this recall. We are making updates to the cooling system software to better manage engine temperatures during this unique condition. Our software was not robust to a loss of coolant system pressure under certain operating conditions. The new software will resolve this issue. Q. Are these changes you made to fix the issue in North America going to be implemented in the 1.6 liter engines in Europe? A. No. We conducted a thorough investigation in Europe with the 1.6-liter engine and have determined there is no similar issue in Europe and no need for a recall. Q. Do EcoBoost engines run hotter than non turbo charged engines. Is this a problem with all EcoBoost engines? A. No. All internal combustion engines have components that run hot. This cooling issue is unique to the North American 1.6-liter engine. Our data shows that the European 1.6-liter and our other EcoBoost engines are not affected. Q. Are we concerned about multiple recalls? A. Our focus is on providing the highest-quality vehicles to our customers and responding quickly when we identify potential issues. The recalls are part of our process and our commitment to quality and to customers.

One of the better explaination I have read is here. The problem, it turns out, was a combination of two issues, says Raj Nair, Ford's vice president of global product development. "We had a sequence of events that caused the cooling system software to restrict coolant flow," he says. Normally, he says that occurrance wouldn't be that big a deal. But if a car has another coolant issue that could result in low pressure, like a loose filler cap or a pinhole-sized puncture in a hose, the coolant could boil. If the coolant boils over, it starts streaming into the engine where it can catch on fire if it comes in contact with the hot exhaust system. Engine fires could result, and Ford said it had seen 12 of them in Escape and one in Fusion. The problem stems from how coolant is needed in different parts of an engine depending on conditions, such as cold weather or during warm up. Ford engineers found that in certain conditions, water was being directed to the radiator, but a closed valve prevented from momentarily returning back into the engine for a short period, like 15 seconds. Again, normally not a problem because the engine can easily handle the very short term without coolant. But when pressure is also as well, the coolant never makes it back. The software flash will ensure that water is not sent to the radiator unless the electronically controlled return value is ready to take it back. Nair says the repair will take about a half day. Mechanics will check customers' cooling systems to make sure they have not overheated already. He says he has full faith in the 1.6-liter EcoBoost engine. More than 80,000 have been made in Europe, where it uses a different cooling system.

Dealer called me a little while ago Tomorrow is my time. My Dealer has been top notch with me since this whole thing happened. I will finally get to drive my own car for the first time. Ordered it 10 weeks ago and have made my first payment already.

Was it really a fix, or was time passing by and they were getting short on answeres? Did the fix just keep the engine cooler and the warning lights coming on sooner thus releiveing the fire threat somewhat. How do we really know that we will not have to worry in the future about the 1.6ltr. I guess we will just have to keep our eyes on the warning lights a little more. Any experts out there that can help us out?

Just came back from my dealer, service manager said they will try to get to my car today still got 3 hours left to go. I have yet to put 1 mile driving in my new Escape. Myself, the salesman, and the service mananger spoke at length about the fix, and I am sure that FORD has taken care of the problem. Will there be another problem ? I dont care FORD will fix it. :stats: Taking it 1 mile down the street is not a problem for me. I believe its not the end of the world that my Escape that has not seen my garage yet, after a 7 week wait to have it delivered and a 2 week wait to have a fix because of the recall. Its all good. Tri Coat White SEL Light Stone Leather Technology Package

Why are people losing faith in the 1.6? I read some do not trust the cooling system and would rather own the 2.0. But dosnt the 2.0 have the same type of cooling system and is seems to reason the exact same thing can happen to the 2.0. It was a software glitch thats it, right? And why trust the 2.0 more than the 1.6 if that is the case?

Ford’s 2.0-Liter EcoBoost Engine Wins Second Consecutive Ward’s 10 Best Engines Trophy; GT500 Engine Also Honored Powerful, fuel-efficient 2.0-liter turbocharged, direct-injected EcoBoost® engine wins for exceptional performance in Ford Taurus and Focus ST Shelby GT500 5.8-liter V8 –the world’s highest-horsepower regular production V8 engine – also a winner No competitor has won more 10 Best Engines awards than Ford in the last five years An EcoBoost engine has won a 10 Best Engines trophy every year since launch 2.0-liter EcoBoost® Four-cylinder Engine | 5.8-liter V8 Engine Click to download images. DEARBORN, Mich., Dec. 12, 2012 – Ford Motor Company’s fuel efficient 2.0-liter EcoBoost® four-cylinder engine is one of two Ford engines this year to win a highly coveted 10 Best Engines trophy from the editors of WardsAuto World. The 662-horsepower 5.8-liter V8 – the world’s most powerful production V8 engine – in the 2013 Shelby GT500 has also won a 10 Best Engines trophy. Each fall, Ward’s editors evaluate the latest powertrains from the world’s automakers in rigorous testing to determine which engines deliver the best blend of performance, value, fuel efficiency and refinement. Ford has won eight 10 Best Engines awards in the last five years – more than any other domestic automaker and tied with Germany’s BMW for most wins. The 2.0-liter turbocharged, direct-injected engine, produced in Valencia, Spain, is Ford’s global workhorse EcoBoost engine, powering everything from the rear-wheel-drive Falcon sedan in Australia to vans in Europe and the high-performance Focus ST. Last year, the 2.0-liter won a 10 Best Engines award in the Ford Edge crossover. “The EcoBoost Taurus and Focus ST really show just how versatile and capable the 2.0-liter EcoBoost engine is,” said Joe Bakaj, Ford vice president of Powertrain Engineering. “The Focus ST is the first performance application for EcoBoost, and it really delivers the goods,” he added. “The 2.0-liter EcoBoost in the Taurus replaces a V6 and delivers great all-around performance, along with best-in-class 32 mpg on the highway.” In the Focus ST, the 2.0-liter cranks out 252 horsepower and 270 lb.-ft. of torque. Magazine reviews have shown Focus 0-60 mph acceleration in the mid-six-second range. In Taurus, the 2.0-liter engine has a completely different demeanor. It is exceptionally smooth and quiet and provides outstanding performance and best-in-class large car fuel economy at 32 mpg highway. “There are lots of 2.0-liter turbocharged engines out there now,” said Drew Winter, editor in chief of WardsAuto World magazine. “What impresses us most this year is EcoBoost’s versatility. It is very entertaining as a performance car engine in the Focus ST. But what really amazes us is that it also is a perfect match for the two-ton Taurus family sedan. Even loaded down with passengers, the engine delivers all the power needed and better fuel economy than a V6.” The 5.8-liter V8 engine in the Shelby GT500 impressed Ward’s staff not just with its incredible 662 horsepower, but also its efficiency. The GT500 is not subject to a gas guzzler tax, and is rated at 15 mpg city and 24 mpg highway. “Very few engines deliver the balance of power and fuel efficiency the 5.8-liter does,” said Jamal Hameedi, GT500 chief nameplate engineer. “The team spent countless hours dyno testing, tweaking and calibrating to make sure this engine would deliver the high-level power and performance Shelby customers expect. But they also took into account the reality of today’s volatile fuel prices. All SVT engineers are very proud of the GT500, its engine, and the responsible fuel efficiency it delivers.” Added Winter: “The 5.8-liter V8 in the Shelby GT500 is the world’s most powerful production V8 engine, yet it is so efficient at squeezing power from every drop of gasoline that there is no gas guzzler tax. It actually delivers better fuel economy than many engines with a fraction of the horsepower. Plus it squeaks in under our $55,000 price cap. That’s pretty incredible.” Since launch in summer 2009, Ford has sold more than 520,000 EcoBoost-equipped vehicles globally. Ford’s global family of EcoBoost engines consists of the award-winning 1.0-liter three-cylinder (coming to North America next year in the 2014 Fiesta); the 1.6-liter available in Escape and Fusion; the 2.0-liter available in Focus ST, Fusion, Taurus, Edge, Escape and Explorer; and the 3.5-liter V6 in the Taurus SHO, an engine also available in the F-150, Flex, Explorer Sport and Lincoln vehicles. EcoBoost combines downsizing with turbocharging, direct fuel injection and variable valve timing. Ford holds more than 125 patents for its EcoBoost technologies. This year’s 10 Best Engines award is the third for an EcoBoost engine. Last year, the 2.0-liter in the Edge won, while the 3.5-liter in the Taurus SHO won in 2010.

Ford Escape wins inaugural Car of the Year from Popular Mechanics Popular Mechanics has unveiled its 2013 Automotive Excellence Awards, and not only is the Ford Escape among its 10 best vehicles, for the first time ever the magazine names a Car of the Year and Escape is editors’ choice for the award. Escape earned the honor for being “an affordable vehicle that excels in multiple auto excellence categories,” for its “excellent engine options, abundance of technology and great price.” Reviewers pointed out that “Escape is freshly minted, with a solid new chassis shared with the European Ford Kuga. The driving experience feels like it’s two full generational leaps ahead of the old Escape.” Read the full report here.

I hear so much complaining about the 1.6 engine over on a complaint board everybody wants to be compensated a new 2.0 for all the grief. :heartbreaker: My question is for those that know Ford, Auto's and Engines ????? Do you feel that the 1.6 is a turd and that we should try to get some type of rebate and or get a new 2.0 put in our Escape? And is the 2.0 so much better? :chairshot: Will these problems just keep coming or are we close to haveing a car that will run good and not have to worry about the next recall? I feel it is a new product, stuff like this happens, a Software glitch and fix is not the end of the world is it? :angel: Everything should be just fine with the fix. Wont it?

Just called my Ford dealer, :slug: They do not even know about the fix as of yet, sigh. Probably next week at the soonest.

Ford blames coolant system for Escape, Fusion fires Chris Woodyard, USA TODAYShare 1 Comments The automaker announces a fix to start next week that should end the problem. (Photo: Ford) Story Highlights Cause finally pinpointed, cars recalled a week ago Problem is software, not mechanical parts Repairs of owners vehicles will begin next week 1:10PM EST December 10. 2012 - A week after it announced a big recall, Ford Motor believes a simple software update will quickly fix 2013 Fusion sedans and Escape crossovers with a 1.6-liter EcoBoost engine that is susceptible to catching fire. Starting next week, owners of the 89,153 vehicles in question will be urged to come to their Ford dealers for the software "flash" aimed at ensuring the cooling system can't dangerously overheat in the turbocharged engine. Ford hopes it will cap an embarrassing period in which it was forced to order the recall, but could not immediately pinpoint a cause or say how it was going to solve it. Owners have been urged to contact Ford dealers to arrange for rental cars until the problem was solved. The problem, it turns out, was a combination of two issues, says Raj Nair, Ford's vice president of global product development. "We had a sequence of events that caused the cooling system software to restrict coolant flow," he says. Normally, he says that occurrance wouldn't be that big a deal. But if a car has another coolant issue that could result in low pressure, like a loose filler cap or a pinhole-sized puncture in a hose, the coolant could boil. If the coolant boils over, it starts streaming into the engine where it can catch on fire if it comes in contact with the hot exhaust system. Engine fires could result, and Ford said it had seen 12 of them in Escape and one in Fusion. The problem stems from how coolant is needed in different parts of an engine depending on conditions, such as cold weather or during warm up. Ford engineers found that in certain conditions, water was being directed to the radiator, but a closed valve prevented from momentarily returning back into the engine for a short period, like 15 seconds. Again, normally not a problem because the engine can easily handle the very short term without coolant. But when pressure is also as well, the coolant never makes it back. The software flash will ensure that water is not sent to the radiator unless the electronically controlled return value is ready to take it back. Nair says the repair will take about a half day. Mechanics will check customers' cooling systems to make sure they have not overheated already. He says he has full faith in the 1.6-liter EcoBoost engine. More than 80,000 have been made in Europe, where it uses a different cooling system. He says the recall won't have any effect on Ford's earnings, with the cost covered by a warranty reserve. Advertisement

http://www.nasdaq.com/article/ford-motor-produces-fix-in-voluntary-safety-recall-of-2013-escapes-2013-fusions-20121210-00786#.UMYp5YYQ4jw Ford Motor Produces Fix In Voluntary Safety Recall Of 2013 Escapes, 2013 Fusions (RTTNews.com) - Ford Motor Co. (F) announced a corrective action to address potential engine overheating that could result in engine fires in SE and SEL models of the 2013 Ford Escape and Ford Fusion models equipped with 1.6-liter engines. The vehicles were subjects of a voluntary safety recall announced November 30. Ford said that to fix the condition, it will make software updates to the cooling system of the 1.6-liter engine available in the SE and SEL models of the 2013 Ford Escape and 2013 Ford Fusion. The software updates will better manage engine temperatures during a unique overheating condition that could occur under unique operating conditions. The original cooling system design was not able to address a loss of coolant system pressure under certain operating conditions, which could lead to a vehicle fire while the engine was running, the company said. Ford stated that it is now working to deliver the software and repair procedure to its dealers. The company will begin notifying customers so they can schedule service appointments with dealers. Beginning early next week, customers will be able to get the software update at their dealer. Until the cooling software is updated, customers driving 2013 Escape vehicles equipped with the 1.6-liter engine and 2013 Fusion models equipped with the 1.6-liter engine have been advised to contact their dealer to arrange for alternative transportation at no charge, the company said. The company noted that 2013 Escapes equipped with 2.0-liter and the 2.5-liter engines are unaffected. 2013 Fusions equipped with the 2.5-liter and hybrid engines are also unaffected - as are all Titanium models. For comments and feedback: contact editorial@rttnews.com http://www.rttnews.com

This I found interesting. Ford said it is issuing the recall after reports of engine overheating that was followed by engine fires while the vehicle is running after reports of 13 fires, including 12 in Ford Escapes. Ford told the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration late Friday that the first report of an Escape fire was on Sept. 7 in Florida from a vehicle that didn't have an engine dipstick, which allowed oil to be expelled. A second fire was reported Sept. 24 in Virginiaand a third fireon Oct. 22 in Arizona. Since Nov. 8, Ford has become aware of five more fires. Ford formed a task force Nov. 12 to investigate the fires. In total, Ford said it is aware of nine fires in the United States — including a pre-delivery fire in Tennessee and two fires at the Louisville Assembly plant. http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121130/AUTO0102/211300465/1361/Ford-recalling-Escapes--Fusions-to-prevent-engine-fires

Still no news on the fix on the "wires". I was hoping today would be the day, still early though. Anyone hear anything?

YEA RIGHT.... Worst thing that came happen they recend the recall give us back our cars. The best thing that can happen we get free 2.0's in our car I get the feeling there will be a fix ...DONT CHA THINK In the mean time I am driving a new 2.0 Escape with more features than I ordered. Wow that is painful.

Ford won't recall EcoBoost vehicles in Europe Chris Woodyard, USA TODAYShare 0 Comments Ford says there is no pattern to the seven fires under hoods reported there (Photo: Peter Dejong/ AP) Story Highlights Ford won't recall any of the models with 1.6-liter turbocharged engines in Europe It recalled 2013 Fusions and Escapes with the engines in the U.S. on Friday Seven fires were reported in Europe and 12 in the U.S. 7:26PM EST December 6. 2012 - Ford Motor is opting not to recall vehicles in Europe with the same 1.6-liter EcoBoost turbocharged engine that is the focus of a recall in the U.S. "We conducted a thorough investigation of the vehicles in Europe with the 1.6-liter engine and determined there is no similar issue in Europe and no need for recall," Ford of Europe spokesman Mark Truby tells USA TODAY. Ford reported earlier this week that it was probing seven fires in vehicles in Europe equipped with the engine. On Friday, it ordered the recall of 73,320 2013 Ford Escape crossovers and 15,833 Fusion sedans in the U.S. with the fuel-saving engine after 12 fires were reported. Owners of U.S. are being told to contact their dealers for loaner vehicles until Ford figures out what is causing overheating, and the subsequent fires, and comes up with a solution. The engine under scrutiny is still being made in a United Kingdom factory. More than 80,000 have been made there since 2010 in six vehicles lines -- Ford Focus, C-Max, C-Max Grand, Mondeo, Galaxy and S-Max. Yet engineer there determined the fires didn't appear connected and no recall is deemed necessary. In the U.S., Ford says in a letter to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration that drivers received warning on their vehicles' instrument panels that their cars were overheating before the fire began. No injuries have been reported.

Might be rated that I am getting 18 in town and I live in a small town, no hills ,no traffic to push me along ,so I am really easy with the peddle, it is a 4x4 which could make the difference I want a 2WD We shall see what comes up with the fix.

True.... but I think I will wait till we see what the problem realy is before I try that. The main reason we wint with ford and the 1.6 was the MPG I want better than 18 and 24 in the 2.0