Monoman

I totally agree. I never thought the MY22 I ordered wouldn't get built but now it is a MY23 order. I bought a few small items that will fit the MY23 but I definitely wouldn't jump on anything pricey.

I misread the context. Thanks.

Maybe not. Ford probably likes to gauge brand loyalty by knowing more about customers with unfilled MY22 orders How many customers re-ordered a MY23 and are staying with Ford How many customers bought a new or used Ford on a dealer lot How many customers bought another brand's new or used truck on a dealer lot How many customers placed orders with another brand.

Who cares if they seem annoyed? They sold you the truck and it is their responsibility to make it right. They need to do the job they are paid to do. If there is another dealer nearby you can have your service and maintenance done there AFTER the truck issues are fixed.

I think that is a lot longer than anyone else has waited for a shipment. There must be more to the story that someone is not telling. I am guessing the truck is missing and nobody wants to admit it.

Have your dealer look them up and tell you. Please reply back if there is one for your 22MY/23MY 'carryover' order because I am hoping for one as well.

1. Do you think the average person considers a car dealer trustworthy? Most people I know don't and do not like the car buying experience. They do it because they feel they don't have much of a choice. 2. Agreed but you should not have to. A customer should not be excluded from a price or incentive just because they were not aware of it. 3. I didn't say Ford should automatically choose anything. Ford can keep records of what was offered in a time period and make it easy enough for customers and dealers to look it up. 4. Is the average Ford customer supposed to even know what the smart Vincent report is? I only know about it from reading here and other forums. If more dealers focused on truly taking care of shoppers and customers (within reason of course) then they might be considered more trustworthy. I only know of one dealer in my area that customers consider above average and they only sell Toyotas. Toyota doesn't make 3/4 ton trucks so I chose to order a Ford based on Ford things, not based on my local Ford dealership.

If that is the case, then it is unfortunate since the dealers are not always the most reliable source of truth. in any case, if Ford finance is offering interest rate lock ins at order times then someone is keeping records ... I doubt it is up to each dealership.

It doesn't hurt to ask Ford. If their policy is to give you the rate advertised at the time your order was placed then they will keep records. I would not trust the dealership to get it right.

I believe most of the supply chain issues are labor related. There is an easy answer but it costs money. It goes along with the saying: "Fast, Cheap, Correct, Pick any two."

Or supply chain issues.

Does it not make you wonder if anyone has even tried to fix it. If there is a lot of labor turnover with the railcar loaders then I would not be surprised if they are just doing things the same way they have always been done or however someone sees fit that day/week. Even though it has been over two years, I would be surprised if anyone has taken the time to analyze and redesign the loading and shipping processes to adapt to the current circumstances.

I agree but Ford's behavior so far says otherwise. I don't like the dealership sales model. It can't go away soon enough.

Unfortunately, Ford's customer is the dealer and you are the dealer's customer.

I would rather have a truck delivered with blank badges than not have a truck delivered.

I believe it is a new order and your dealer is supposed to prioritize these "carryover" orders higher than all of their other orders. I do not know if Ford has any knowledge of the carryover orders and prioritizes them over new MY23 orders once they pick them up from the dealers.

You do have a point. The dealership model seems to be broken ... at least for customers.

Granger changed my order over to a MY23.

Random? He has over 7K subscribers! ? I don't know anything about him, he may know something but I sure as heck can't tell from his "About" section on YT. He's random for me. I'll stick to getting info from folks like https://www.youtube.com/@longmcarthur and https://www.youtube.com/@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod as well as known good sources here and BOF.

It might not be a worthless feature for co-drivers/spouses that may need to backup RVs in an emergency situation. I'll teach my wife how to backup the RV but will also see if the hi-tech feature is a better option for the 'rare' occasion where I am not the one doing the backing up.

Plenty of dealers were claiming “below invoice” pricing for a long time. These greedy dealers love competing as long as they think they are winning.

I think the MY23 order bank closed for Platinum and Limited trims only.

If we are all paying the same amount then I"m not going to be concerned. If there is an opportunity to save s significant amount of money (thousands in this case) then I care... that's why I ordered my truck through Granger.

Very true about who Ford's customers really are. There's nothing wrong with paying MSRP if that's the price for everyone. I will say our purchase experience with Tesla was one of the best. The warranty/repair/service experience has been mostly great or above average with one exception where an outside body shop dealt with a paint warranty issue. No offshore call center either.

Yep, plus service. There are plenty of opportunities for a dealership to make money even if sales are handled by the manufacturer. However, I suspect new vehicle sales are a significant portion of the dealership's profits.