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Oh I know it is a mystery. I have tried all of things that supposedly will work but no luck yet. I'll keep playing the lottery and keep my fingers crossed.

I did that almost a year ago. No PCO yet.

That's sad. The big guys are all about competition and a free market until someone else beats them. In the end, the losers are Ford's customers. Yeah, yeah, I know we're not really Ford's customers. We're the dealership's customers.

Very good point. The postings here and other places suggest Ford (and others) still haven't figured out how to adjust their existing systems to consistently build and deliver vehicles in the order they (the orders) were received. Dealers get incremented allotments for COVP orders so build & delivery time should not be affected by the dealer choice. The only factors should be priority, order date, and the availability of parts which is easier said than done because the system wasn't designed to operate that way. I think this has also been compounded by dealerships that haven't bothered to correctly submit and manage their orders.

Agreed. I was only adding to the conversation because it matched Granger's pricing exactly and haven't heard of any others. Sometimes people confuse Invoice and MSRP. Perhaps they were thinking Ford was allowing a specific amount over MSRP ...we will need for them to reply to be sure.

Granger Ford announced they are pricing MY23 Super Duties at $1500 over invoice which should be well under MSRP.

The lighting is definitely making it appear lighter. It almost looks like the Area 51 color on the Bronco and Maverick.

I was only talking about the process in general. I don't know any specifics about Ford's systems. Please excuse my ignorance.

Fair enough. The dealership is still basically powerless to change the situation.

Silly question. Why are the order guides not released before the order bank opens? It seems like that would potentially cause ordering errors.

My understanding based on previous discussions on this subject is that the the dealership has no control. Ford still 'owns' the truck and is responsible for delivery to the dealership. I would be asking the dealer and Ford to find to match or beat the interest rate.

We agree on the issues but have a different conclusion is all. You say the model isn't broken and then point of how some dealerships are screwing up things for the customers. IMO the current dealership model is broken but it could be fixed. Stronger policy enforcement from the auto makers and better customer support channels to deal work around bad dealers would be a big help.

Excessive and not even close to normal. The fact that you cannot get any real assistance from the dealer or Ford shows just how broken the dealership sales model is for some. Getting past the Ford zone/regional manager seems like an impossible thing. There should be a clear escalation path and process to get your situation resolved. If you cannot get the dealership owner (principal?) directly involved then I would avoid doing business with them again.

You can probably look them on on Ford's site for your dealer's inventory. Your salesperson should be able to get you the VINs to confirm. Don't be surprised if the window stickers indicates they are retail orders.

Everything I have seen groups the all F Series trucks together.

190 days? ... Take a look around. There are plenty of folks waiting a lot longer. The lower trim levels seem to be shipping sooner which makes sense because they have less parts. When I ordered (and confirmed) on December 6th I never thought I would be waiting this long. Back then wait times were up to 6 months so I figured ok June/July at the latest. Well it is now October and I still don't have a VIN and if I don't get a VIN by October 20th, when the MY23 order bank opens up, then I will have to order MY23 ASAP. Even if I order a MY23 on 10/20 I don't think Ford is going to ship higher trim lines right away because quite a few MY23 features state "available Spring 2023". If that happens then it will be about 18 months from my original order. I am not sure I can wait 18 months. Ford (as well as all auto makers) are trying to deal with supply chain issues but there are parts of their system are clearly broken. Dealerships are clueless and there is no clear communication on how customer orders are truly prioritized, selected, built, and delivered. Customer orders are definitely not "first come, first served" even after dealing with constraints. Good luck and be patient .. .or not ;-)

Easy mistake since SuperCrew and SuperCab are used in the 150. Super Cab is used in the Super Duty. As far as the hitch goes, I think they were showing it was not a 3". I would like to know what color that truck is since it looks different than the gray on the Ford site. Maybe it was just the lighting.

IIRC the MY23 order banks open in 3 weeks. It sure would be nice to have AT LEAST ONE WEEK to review the MY23 full specs/brochure before being forced order a MY23 on short notice because Ford is not going to build my MY22. Telling MY22 order holders after the MY23 banks open just puts them further back in line. My other concern is that some of the new features won't be available until Spring 2023 which adds to the delays. FWIW - I do like the MY23 but do I want to wait until April? No, I ordered in December 2021 so I can tow an RV we're getting in December 2022 ... never expecting it a year would not be long enough. It would be nice if Ford was up front with customers and said "This is what we can build you for 2022. Otherwise, you gotta wait." I'd probably order whatever I can get by December AND order a 2023. </venting>

or a liar ..maybe both. How could they move your order to a 2023 when the orders don't open until October 20th? This forum and others are full of posts about dealer lies, misinformation, 1/2 truths .etc. I would take my money elsewhere.

Sure but there seems to be quite a few things that won't be available until "Spring 2023". That is going to suck for folks that get skipped for MY22 and are hoping to get something early in '23.

Which I posted about in this thread just 9 posts above theirs asking the question. I even included key parts of the text. I don't think people even try to search anymore. I blame social media...people ask the same questions over and over because SM makes it so hard to find previous posts.

@ice-capades updated the Production Information thread - Looks like some trucks are going to having missing or alternate badging. I'll probably like having fewer badges. We don't need not stinking badging! INFORMATION Product Offering Changes: 22MY F150 & Super Duty Temporary Exterior Vehicle Badges ACTION REQUESTED Please be advised of certain 2022MY F-150 and Super Duty trucks being shipped with temporary and/or missing exterior badges due to a supplier shortage. Customers will be required to sign an acknowledgement letter, notifying them of the temporary and/or missing badges prior to vehicle sale. SUMMARY Due to a supplier shortage of exterior vehicle badges, some 22MY F-150 and Super Duty vehicles will be shipped and can be sold to customers with temporary or missing badges. Temporary/missing badges will not impact the vehicle performance in a functional capacity. Some vehicles may have temporary fender vent badges, or missing side door badges and/or tailgate badges. Not all trucks will have the same number of temporary badges and/or missing badges. All temporary badges will be molded in color black. F150 - Temporary F-150 badges could include both side fender nameplate/trim badges (e.g., F-150/XLT). Missing badges could include both door powertrain badges (e.g., PowerBoost), XLT Texas/Oklahoma badge and/or EcoBoost badge on tailgate, and/or King Ranch badge on tailgate. Super Duty - Temporary Super Duty badges could include both side fender nameplate/trim badges (e.g.,F-250/Lariat). Missing badges could include both door powertrain badges (e.g.,6.7L Power Stroke), and/or King Ranch badge on tailgate. Ford plans to restore all missing badging for all impacted 22MY F-150 and Super Duty customers. Customers will be required to sign an acknowledgement letter, notifying them of the temporary or missing badges prior to vehicle sale. Customers will be given a $50 VIN specific incentive claimed through SmartVincent. < --- snip --- >

It went from being a common business practice to a theory.

Good for you. Assuming it was your actions that got you a VIN, it really is sad that Ford still hasn't been able to properly adjust their systems to deal with the situation. Ford relies too much on the dealers ... many that seem to be lazy, incompetent, greedy, or some combination.

I don't know if it is the few or the many but this crap is why dealerships as we know them may follow in the path of the Dodo bird.