Toyota's labor attack

[Jared Jackson]

Just thought I would let people in on what is going on in other parts of the world regarding Toyota and it's attack on organized labor. Some of this is outdated, but is still on-going. If it's okay, I will post the links below:

 

http://www.labournet.net/world/0104/toyota1.html

 

http://libcom.org/news/article.php?story=t...-arrests-220106

 

http://www.labournet.de/branchen/auto/toyota6.html

[ricers-shaft-blueoval]

Just thought I would let people in on what is going on in other parts of the world regarding Toyota and it's attack on organized labor. Some of this is outdated, but is still on-going. If it's okay, I will post the links below:

 

http://www.labournet.net/world/0104/toyota1.html

 

http://libcom.org/news/article.php?story=t...-arrests-220106

 

http://www.labournet.de/branchen/auto/toyota6.html

 

no else gves a jck$hit about what you say! toyota employyes are the happiest and the most productive amogst all american auto makers; the uaw were shown the door each time they tried to organise in kentucky;

 

toyota is putting meat on the table for hardworking americans; paople are very grateful for this and showing thier gratitude by buying shedloads of toyotas year after year!

[RichardJensen]

toyota employyes are the happiest and the most productive amogst all american auto makers;

What about the temp workers? Are they the happiest and most productive among all American temp workers?

 

And what IS up with all the temp workers? Toyota is about the worst employer among auto makers, around the world. Did you know that worker SUICIDE is a major problem in Japan? So big that Toyota has actually ACKNOWLEDGED it? Did you know that Toyota's company controlled union allowed Toyota to start rolling back worker wages, once they reached a certain wage?

 

Toyota is a terrible employer. Armed guards working for Toyota shot protesters in the Philipines not even ten years ago. Toyota lockedout workers in India a couple weeks ago.

 

Toyota treats its workers unconscionably. Years of record profits, and not even cost-of-living increases to employees in the United States, the country that supplies about a third of Toyota's total profits?

 

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[foxrun]

What about the temp workers? Are they the happiest and most productive among all American temp workers?

 

And what IS up with all the temp workers? Toyota is about the worst employer among auto makers, around the world. Did you know that worker SUICIDE is a major problem in Japan? So big that Toyota has actually ACKNOWLEDGED it? Did you know that Toyota's company controlled union allowed Toyota to start rolling back worker wages, once they reached a certain wage?

 

Toyota is a terrible employer. Armed guards working for Toyota shot protesters in the Philipines not even ten years ago. Toyota lockedout workers in India a couple weeks ago.

 

Toyota treats its workers unconscionably. Years of record profits, and not even cost-of-living increases to employees in the United States, the country that supplies about a third of Toyota's total profits?

 

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Atleast we agree on Yoda.

[Jared Jackson]

no else gves a jck$hit about what you say! toyota employyes are the happiest and the most productive amogst all american auto makers; the uaw were shown the door each time they tried to organise in kentucky;

 

toyota is putting meat on the table for hardworking americans; paople are very grateful for this and showing thier gratitude by buying shedloads of toyotas year after year!

 

First off, I love your screen name! Secondly, few people at Toyota actually buy Toyotas. Most of the trucks in the parking lots are Fords. The cars seem to be made up of new 300 M's, and a collage of other cars including Ford 500's, and Toyota Camrys. However, most of the Toyotas are driven by managers, because they are persuaded to buy them.

 

As far as people not giving JS about what I say, that's your opinion. You are happy because ignorance is bliss. Do you work for Toyota? If you do, and don't see what's going on out here, you are a blind liar. If you don't, then you can't honestly speak for them, now, can you?

[zoomerjrt]

What about the temp workers? Are they the happiest and most productive among all American temp workers?

 

And what IS up with all the temp workers? Toyota is about the worst employer among auto makers, around the world. Did you know that worker SUICIDE is a major problem in Japan? So big that Toyota has actually ACKNOWLEDGED it? Did you know that Toyota's company controlled union allowed Toyota to start rolling back worker wages, once they reached a certain wage?

 

Toyota is a terrible employer. Armed guards working for Toyota shot protesters in the Philipines not even ten years ago. Toyota lockedout workers in India a couple weeks ago.

 

Toyota treats its workers unconscionably. Years of record profits, and not even cost-of-living increases to employees in the United States, the country that supplies about a third of Toyota's total profits?

 

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You don't think that GM and Ford would have temps if they could?? Plus GM and Ford have plant in all the same places as Toyota, so do you really think that GM and Ford are there because they want to treat the people better then Toyota??

[RichardJensen]

You don't think that GM and Ford would have temps if they could?? Plus GM and Ford have plant in all the same places as Toyota, so do you really think that GM and Ford are there because they want to treat the people better then Toyota??

GM and Ford behave better because systems in place FORCE them to behave better, management opinions aside. Unions, the media, Federal laws, shareholder activists, all of these things are effective at compeling good behavior from Ford and GM.

 

Now, upper management at both Ford and GM seem to have "gotten the religion", Ford, especially cooperates with NGOs on labor issues, and Ford hires auditors to investigate compliance with their labor code. It's not the most perfect system, or a system that is not open to abuse, but it is a LOT more than what Toyota does.

 

To read Toyota's materials, it is clear that they haven't had their revolution yet. The condescending and paternalistic tone of Toyota's sustainability report is not dissimilar to the relationship between the "happy peasants" and the Nobility in the days of absolutism. It's a bit of a stretch, I'll admit, but not as much of a stretch as you'd think. Toyota has antique ideas about worker/management relationships. Squeaky, rickety, flimsy ideas.

 

No one has forced Toyota management to get current. A more recent parallel to Toyota would be the Pre-union Ford Motor Company. Old Henry thought he was being generous to his employees, and couldn't imagine why any of them would want to unionize. Had Ford Motor Company written a sustainability report before he finally listened to his family and recognized the Union, it would be eerily similar to Toyota's sustainability report.

 

Nobody has made Toyota clean up their act. Japan is a very quiet society about some things, and what Toyota does there, it does in the dark.

 

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[one2gamble]

no else gves a jck$hit about what you say! toyota employyes are the happiest and the most productive amogst all american auto makers; the uaw were shown the door each time they tried to organise in kentucky;

 

toyota is putting meat on the table for hardworking americans; paople are very grateful for this and showing thier gratitude by buying shedloads of toyotas year after year!

 

 

were you drunk when you typed that out?

[06StangAwesomecar]

Well he proably made it to 6th grade,wait 6th graders can spell, and he probaly works for the truth finder liars.

[ricers-shaft-blueoval]

few people at Toyota actually buy Toyotas. Most of the trucks in the parking lots are Fords. The cars seem to be made up of new 300 M's, and a collage of other cars including Ford 500's, and Toyota Camrys. However, most of the Toyotas are driven by managers, because they are persuaded to buy them.

 

at least this proves my point! toyota is democratic; not a stainist dictatorship like ford forcing the workers to buy a ford or we'll make you walk a mile in the freezing cold to work and back" every day

[one2gamble]

well you did slightly better with that post but lets work on reality next time

[range]

Isn't this attack also an attack on the US middle class?

 

Why should hard working Americans have to compete in this environment?

 

Would car buyers still hold Toyota in high regard if they understood how Toyota turns a profit?

[swenson88]

Isn't this attack also an attack on the US middle class?

 

Why should hard working Americans have to compete in this environment?

 

Would car buyers still hold Toyota in high regard if they understood how Toyota turns a profit?

 

 

Clearly they would. You ever heard of Wal-Mart????!!!!

[partsisparts]

at least this proves my point! toyota is democratic; not a stainist dictatorship like ford forcing the workers to buy a ford or we'll make you walk a mile in the freezing cold to work and back" every day

I would rather walk in the cold than be treated like dirt for 8 to 10 hours a day.

[ebritt]

at least this proves my point! toyota is democratic; not a stainist dictatorship like ford forcing the workers to buy a ford or we'll make you walk a mile in the freezing cold to work and back" every day

 

What a dipwad! :rolleyes:

[bilge]

Looked like the UAW/Asian Car Companies have been in the coyote/roadrunner cartoon the last 25 years. The UAW or coyote buys paint from the ACME supply company (domestic car maker),, paints a dark spot on the side of a mountain, then the roadrunner/asian car company just steps right thru the nonexistent hole, then the coyote tries to follow em thru crashing into the mountainside. Operating on different rules of reality.

 

For example. UAW told asians in the late '70's early 80's that there would be no skilled workers in the proposed US cities where aisan plants wanted to build their cars unless asians transplanted UAW workers. asians proved that wrong. Then the plants were established, UAW says the cars will be rubbish, piles of junk, sounds like UAW is still spouting that as domestic's market share dwindles to more realiable asian vehicles. asians have jumped thru that hole in logic and are coasting down the hill on the other side while the UAW is still crashing into self imposed, self limiting, unrealistic contracts that limit them and their companies they work for to play at the same level of reality as asians.

 

UAW has created many of their own problems or UAW version of reality with help from the mother companies or ACME supply, not sure when or if that can improve. Please, don't get me wrong, personally I hope to never own a asian car due to a personal prejudice against asain companies if there is anything else offered. Might not have a choice in 5 years if US companies and UAW don't get their act together.

[BioDiesel]

Looked like the UAW/Asian Car Companies have been in the coyote/roadrunner cartoon the last 25 years. The UAW or coyote buys paint from the ACME supply company (domestic car maker),, paints a dark spot on the side of a mountain, then the roadrunner/asian car company just steps right thru the nonexistent hole, then the coyote tries to follow em thru crashing into the mountainside. Operating on different rules of reality.

 

For example. UAW told asians in the late '70's early 80's that there would be no skilled workers in the proposed US cities where aisan plants wanted to build their cars unless asians transplanted UAW workers. asians proved that wrong. Then the plants were established, UAW says the cars will be rubbish, piles of junk, sounds like UAW is still spouting that as domestic's market share dwindles to more realiable asian vehicles. asians have jumped thru that hole in logic and are coasting down the hill on the other side while the UAW is still crashing into self imposed, self limiting, unrealistic contracts that limit them and their companies they work for to play at the same level of reality as asians.

 

UAW has created many of their own problems or UAW version of reality with help from the mother companies or ACME supply, not sure when or if that can improve. Please, don't get me wrong, personally I hope to never own a asian car due to a personal prejudice against asain companies if there is anything else offered. Might not have a choice in 5 years if US companies and UAW don't get their act together.

Nissan's Canton Mississippi plant has nothing but quality problems BECAUSE of the inexperienced employees, both hourly and salary. It is glaring proof of how inexperience and under education play a part in building shoddy products. The leaders in the UAW are not dumb, they have a great deal of automotive experience and forsight. Too bad managers are too stubborn or just plain dumb to listen to the actual insiders, the employees who have the real experience in building product. These people who have been around the block more than once who can stand back and see all sides of the equations. The uaw, for the most part know the truth. Too bad the corporations won't listen.

Edited March 4, 2006 by BioDiesel

[Bluecon]

What about the temp workers? Are they the happiest and most productive among all American temp workers?

 

And what IS up with all the temp workers? Toyota is about the worst employer among auto makers, around the world. Did you know that worker SUICIDE is a major problem in Japan? So big that Toyota has actually ACKNOWLEDGED it? Did you know that Toyota's company controlled union allowed Toyota to start rolling back worker wages, once they reached a certain wage?

 

Toyota is a terrible employer. Armed guards working for Toyota shot protesters in the Philipines not even ten years ago. Toyota lockedout workers in India a couple weeks ago.

 

Toyota treats its workers unconscionably. Years of record profits, and not even cost-of-living increases to employees in the United States, the country that supplies about a third of Toyota's total profits?

 

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And in the USA have Ford and GM commiting suicide.

 

Don't forget that Walter Reuther was shot. Most believe it was his union brothers who committed the act.

[Bluecon]

Interesting take on the role of unions in GM's demise.

 

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/th.../01/188160.html

 

"One reason that General Motors has been losing market share for years -- going from selling about half the cars in the country to selling about one quarter today -- is that its union contracts put them at a disadvantage compared to its Japanese competitors.

 

Even though Toyota has factories in the United States, the American employees in those factories vote to keep their jobs by staying non-union. Toyota takes business away from unionized Detroit car makers, who are forced to lay off thousands of workers while Toyota is hiring additional workers."

Edited March 4, 2006 by Bluecon

[llog215]

It all comes down to cost. If your cost structure is significantly greater than your competitor, than you are at a serious disadvantage. Bad engineering and poor designs, in terms of badge engineering and infrequent updates, are due to cost pressures. Cost needs to be taken out somewhere and since they can't take it out of labor, due to contracts, it comes from other areas. It's one big vicious circle.......

[llog215]

The '96 Taurus had nothing to do with cost pressures. It was a terrible looking car that destroyed what the '87 did. Up to that point it was the best selling car in America.

 

I disagree. In '96, the Camry was already beginning to threaten the Taurus. Besides the "unique" styling, the Taurus trailed the Camry in quality, comfort, and convenience features. This is due to cost cutting efforts to try to maintain a profit margin on the vehicle. The difference in cost of production could have been used to improve it in these areas and keep it competitive. Instead, it kept being decontented and relegated to fleet status.

[mercblue281]

were you drunk when you typed that out?

 

'shedloads'

 

what's a shedload? 3 echos and a scion? or maybe 18 toyotas that ran into various structures that were built more substantially... fire hydrants... mailboxes... garage doors...

[BioDiesel]

And in the USA have Ford and GM commiting suicide.

 

Don't forget that Walter Reuther was shot. Most believe it was his union brothers who committed the act.

Walter Reuther was never, ever shot. You must be thinking of Martin Luther King. Bluecon you are one dumb dipshit.

[DearbornDerek]

Walter Reuther was never, ever shot. You must be thinking of Martin Luther King. Bluecon you are one dumb dipshit.

 

Actually, he was shot.

http://www.nathanielturner.com/laborsproblemrealwages2.htm

 

"Yet Reuther has his enemies. Since his rise to prominence, three acts of criminal violence has been perpetrated against him, his family, or his union. On April 20, 1948, an assassin shot him through a window of his home from a distance of 15 feet.

 

By a seeming miracle, Reuther escaped death, but suffered a badly mauled arm which kept him hospitalized for some time. In May, 1949, a similar attempt cost Victor Reuther one eye. Again, the assassin shot through a house window at short range, again the same type shotgun was used. Victor Reuther, Walter’s brother, is educational director of the United Automobile Workers. A third attempted crime occurred in December, 1949, when someone attempted to dynamite the U.A.W. building in Detroit. Every labor leader has enemies—few seem as ruthless and relentless as these.

 

Walther Reuther has commented that his shooting could be the work of “Communists, die-hard employers, or a screw-ball.†In truth, the crimes could be laid to almost anyone. They remain unsolved at this writing."

[BioDiesel]

Actually, he was shot.

http://www.nathanielturner.com/laborsproblemrealwages2.htm

 

"Yet Reuther has his enemies. Since his rise to prominence, three acts of criminal violence has been perpetrated against him, his family, or his union. On April 20, 1948, an assassin shot him through a window of his home from a distance of 15 feet.

 

By a seeming miracle, Reuther escaped death, but suffered a badly mauled arm which kept him hospitalized for some time. In May, 1949, a similar attempt cost Victor Reuther one eye. Again, the assassin shot through a house window at short range, again the same type shotgun was used. Victor Reuther, Walter’s brother, is educational director of the United Automobile Workers. A third attempted crime occurred in December, 1949, when someone attempted to dynamite the U.A.W. building in Detroit. Every labor leader has enemies—few seem as ruthless and relentless as these.

 

Walther Reuther has commented that his shooting could be the work of “Communists, die-hard employers, or a screw-ball.†In truth, the crimes could be laid to almost anyone. They remain unsolved at this writing."

Wow, I had no idea. I apologige to Bluecon. But, I still think he's a dumb dipshit.