Had enough of this economic uncertainty?

[local400future]

So is it ok for the Dems to force there's on everyone?

 

Like what?

[local400future]

Thats like the pot calling the kettle black. The problem with most democrats is they want to force their Marxist and Socialist ideology on us. And thats the way Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union believed. And we do know how'd that worked out for them. I believe in the constitution,capitalism and God and that might offend you. Thats what I'm willing to stand up and fight for. I can see you don't care or worry about it as long as it doesn't effect your pay check. And I feel sorry for you. Over 200 years ago The Founding Father put it all on the line for something bigger than themselves.

 

Really? The party that allows individual choice is the oppressive party? And I hate to tell you, the republican doctrin of telling people what they can and can't do is more representative of the the Nazi and Communist party.

 

Also, before you talk about socialism, you may want to know the definition:

a political theory or system in which the means of production and distribution are controlled by the people and operated according to equity and fairness rather than market principles.

 

So yeah, I do care and worry about how it affects my paycheck, along with everybody elses.

 

Lastly, this has nothing to do with God, period. No one is telling you how to worship and last I check, it's up to God to judge, not you.

[fmccap]

Like what?

The strong movement towards Socialism that the top Dems and top Repubs are trying to force upon us.

[fmccap]

Really? The party that allows individual choice is the oppressive party? And I hate to tell you, the republican doctrin of telling people what they can and can't do is more representative of the the Nazi and Communist party.

 

Also, before you talk about socialism, you may want to know the definition:

a political theory or system in which the means of production and distribution are controlled by the people and operated according to equity and fairness rather than market principles.

 

So yeah, I do care and worry about how it affects my paycheck, along with everybody elses.

 

Lastly, this has nothing to do with God, period. No one is telling you how to worship and last I check, it's up to God to judge, not you.

So the fairness that everyone should own a home(even if they can't afford it) which lead to this mess is the way to go?

[StrangeHighways]

Maybe you should look at the tax code again! Under Clinton a person making $60,000 in 1996 would pay around $11,600. Ten years later 2006, a person making $70,000 would pay around $11,000 under Bush. I dont see the $5K your talking about.

Yes anyone getting medical benefits would end up paying more under McCain's tax plan, no two ways about it. But I could care less about our medical, as soon as the UAW tells Ford that they dont have to cover its workers medical payments, the membership will cry and demand National Health Care that helps all working people. This will also help Ford save money, what all you Republican's want. I dont get the mentality that if its good for the master, its good for the slave! Then Ford will have more money and they can spend $10 billion in Mexico instead of $3 billion. Once they are fully invested in Mexico they can walk away for the U.S. and still make profits.

Although Clinton signed NAFTA, McCain is pushing for more unfair trade deals that help the rich but does nothing to protect American workers.

For people who make under $250,000 a year there really isnt a choice, Obama.

1999 tax table 13,460 11,211 14,249 12,316,,,,,, 2007 tax table 11,430 8,221 11,430 10,181 . In my case with 2 working = $5k

[fordtuff]

I can't believe that the banks were so stupid to make those loans. There has to be something bigger behind this whole mess. Maybe there is a plot to trigger inflation to deflate the national debt to pay for the war. The banks went along because they knew ahead of time that there would be a bail-out. Just a thought.

 

 

The banks were not stupid enough to make the loans. The Democratic congress and President Clinton wanted everyone to have the "American Dream" so Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac told the banks...you make the loan...even though some people had no money down and no credit...and we will buy the loan from you. So, the banks made the loans to people who had no business owning a home and the Gov bought the loans. The Republicans tried back in 2001 to tell congress that trouble was brewing but they were called Racist and that they didn't want Americas poor to have a home. So now we have the mess. yeah there may have been some predatory lending but it takes two to tango. Now we have the same idiots...the democratic congress...trying to get us out of this mess.

[99ktpbirdman]

Really? The party that allows individual choice is the oppressive party? And I hate to tell you, the republican doctrin of telling people what they can and can't do is more representative of the the Nazi and Communist party.

 

Also, before you talk about socialism, you may want to know the definition:

a political theory or system in which the means of production and distribution are controlled by the people and operated according to equity and fairness rather than market principles.

 

So yeah, I do care and worry about how it affects my paycheck, along with everybody elses.

 

Lastly, this has nothing to do with God, period. No one is telling you how to worship and last I check, it's up to God to judge, not you.

Socialism has many interpretations but it all comes to this. Is to take from the wealthy and give to the poor or tax the worker and give that to welfare programs. And if your o.k. with that thats fine. And if you don't believe that life begins at conception thats fine to. But I don't believe that way. I know you don't want God have nothing to do with any thing. And thats you not me. And you said it yourself all you do care about is your paycheck. I don't judge you speak for yourself.

[Indy]

Remember bill ayers,communist frank marshall davis,obama tutelage in saul alinsky's community organization methodology,also corrupt fixer tony rezko,his pastor a known black-liberation theologyof Reverend jeremiah Wright and his history with louis farrakham,there alot more i will say more later but u all need to look closely how he glot where he is today and vote for whoever u want ,it takes .*courage to being openminded

Ther was a poll today and it said 80 percentof our problems were created by congress and 5 percent said it was bush policy.think think before you vote and any actor or actress tell me how to vote i will no longer watch their movies and that oprah show i used to watch every day ,because it help me as a person ,i know longing watch ,because i feel she is a racist against white men ,i am a white man and i love her for all she did for hurting people in this world ,she is a phoney and i will pray for her racist views.

 

My post was meant to poke fun at all of the ridiculous things, all of which have nothing to do with the issues facing us this election cycle, that have been said about Senator Obama in the past and are still being said.....

 

I have thought, very much, about who I will cast my vote in favor of this November. And since you are into name dropping, how about:

 

Texas BILLIONAIREHarold Simmons, a major backer of John McCain’s presidential campaign and Swift Boat Veterans for Truth four years ago, the sole donor to an advertisement attacking Obama over his relationship with your aforementioned Bill Ayers.

 

..think about it...... Why would a Texas BILLIONAIRE be interested in funding a campaign against Obama? What sort of interests could he be protecting???? Hmmmmm.....

 

Bob Perry, another major Swift-Boat financier. This piece of work has been pumping money into campaigns against Obama and other Democrats this year. Currently $509,900 so far this year... $11,492,800 in '06 in case you are interested.

 

........What could yet another MILLIONAIRE be so interested in that it is worth MILLIONS to him to keep Democrats out of power???

 

Bruce Hawkins, the Executive Director of the National Campaign Fund... This piece of work is responsible for exposeobama.com and other trashy anti-democratic ads et. al. Has it been mentioned before that he was recently disbarred in Washington state for violating four rules of professional conduct, running a business that promised to reduce credit card debt (but did not), and lying about conflict of interest? The same year, Hawkins was "permanently enjoined" by the justice department "from promoting tax-fraud schemes" after setting up illegal offshore tax shelters. Great guy eh?

 

.....hmmmmm, why would he want to keep Obama out of the White House???

 

Just two more words: Karl Rove. 'nuff said. That slimebag needs to be tried and imprisoned for libel, slander, and election fixing.

 

If you would like to know how much folks are contributing and who they are, check out www.campaignmoney.com.

 

The list truly does go on and on. If you care to do a little research, neither side is crystal clean. They are politicians after all, but please look at the issues and vote with your head. Decide for yourself whose views most closely match your own. And really, question ALL of the rumors. Otherwise folks like "Dubbya" get into office.

[CSMJ]

Skilled1,

 

Obviously you have never faced your own mortality or you would not be so concerned for John McCain. I would remind you that none of us are promised tomorrow....including Senator Obama.

 

Maybe you will feel differently when you approach the age of 70. I'd like to think that with age comes experience. I know Joe Biden has said some things lately that make me question his thinking and he's no "spring chicken."

 

I believe many Americans are feeling "fed up" right now, so don't think have the market cornered on that.

 

It is time for us all to stand up and let our people in Washington know that we expect more of them. They need to listen to the people who elected them. We are the greatest nation in the world and we need to remember that.

Ford my friend did make $$ last yr. minus the charges. So they paid taxes....

All companies pay a minimum tax regardless of profit

[Pioneer]

The democrates voting down 700 billon dollar bailout to help this country get back on its feet again

 

Hey, dumbass. Look at the vote totals. More Republicans voted "no" than Democrats.

 

LINK

The vote against the measure was 228 to 205, with 133 Republicans turning against President Bush to join 95 Democrats in opposition. The bill was backed by 140 Democrats and 65 Republicans.

[Texas30]

GOD BLESS OBAMA

 

 

NO,NO,NO, not God Bless Obama..........GOD DAMN OBAMA

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, :eek5: I was having a Rev. Wright moment...................

[cal50]

Hey, dumbass. Look at the vote totals. More Republicans voted "no" than Democrats.

 

LINK

 

 

 

BFD.

 

......and the democrats could have passed it themselves IF they voted together. They do run the house and senate. It makes zero difference if it looses by one vote or 100.

The problem for all of them is they are up for re-election next year and they do not want to take a position.

 

Pelosi is one incredibly stupid person to lecture anyone placing blame. Instead of doing what is right they are all posturing.

[Pioneer]

BFD.

 

 

It is a big deal, when the original poster doesn't check his facts.

[udontkno]

Ford my friend did make $$ last yr. minus the charges. So they paid taxes....

All companies pay a minimum tax regardless of profit

 

Maybe you can look at Ford's 10k and tell me where they paid Federal Taxes in 2007. I see a $39 million benefit.

 

FORD MOTOR COMPANY AND SUBSIDIARIES

 

 

NOTES TO THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS

 

 

NOTE 19. INCOME TAXES

 

 

Components of income taxes, excluding discontinued operations, cumulative effects of changes in accounting principles and equity in net results of affiliated companies accounted for after-tax, are as follows:

 

 

2007 2006 2005

Income/(Loss) before income taxes, excluding equity in net results of affiliated companies accounted for after-tax (in millions)

U.S. $ (6,374 ) $ (15,814 ) $ 40

Non-U.S. 2,225 335 743

Total $ (4,149 ) $ (15,479 ) $ 783

 

Provision for/(Benefit from) income taxes (in millions)

Current

Federal $ (39 ) $ — $ 26

Non-U.S. 313 372 764

State and local 1 (8 ) 43

Total current 275 364 833

Deferred

Federal (1,710 ) (4,281 ) (762 )

Non-U.S. 410 1,112 (822 )

State and local (269 ) 150 (104 )

Total deferred (1,569 ) (3,019 ) (1,688 )

Total $ (1,294 ) $ (2,655 ) $ (855 )

[No_Fear]

Ford my friend did make $$ last yr. minus the charges. So they paid taxes....

All companies pay a minimum tax regardless of profit

 

 

 

CSMJ,

 

Don't know why you are replying to me, I never said anything about Ford $ or whether they paid taxes.

[fmccap]

The banks were not stupid enough to make the loans. The Democratic congress and President Clinton wanted everyone to have the "American Dream" so Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac told the banks...you make the loan...even though some people had no money down and no credit...and we will buy the loan from you. So, the banks made the loans to people who had no business owning a home and the Gov bought the loans. The Republicans tried back in 2001 to tell congress that trouble was brewing but they were called Racist and that they didn't want Americas poor to have a home. So now we have the mess. yeah there may have been some predatory lending but it takes two to tango. Now we have the same idiots...the democratic congress...trying to get us out of this mess.

You guys need to realize that they are all to blame.

1. They had a chance to do the right thing but didn't.

 

2. They actually made things worse also.

 

How the Bush Administration Stopped the States From Stepping In to Help Consumers

What did the Bush administration do in response? Did it reverse course and decide to take action to halt this burgeoning scourge? As Americans are now painfully aware, with hundreds of thousands of homeowners facing foreclosure and our markets reeling, the answer is a resounding no.

 

Not only did the Bush administration do nothing to protect consumers, it embarked on an aggressive and unprecedented campaign to prevent states from protecting their residents from the very problems to which the federal government was turning a blind eye.

 

Let me explain: The administration accomplished this feat through an obscure federal agency called the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC). The OCC has been in existence since the Civil War. Its mission is to ensure the fiscal soundness of national banks. For 140 years, the OCC examined the books of national banks to make sure they were balanced, an important but uncontroversial function. But a few years ago, for the first time in its history, the OCC was used as a tool against consumers.

 

In 2003, during the height of the predatory lending crisis, the OCC invoked a clause from the 1863 National Bank Act to issue formal opinions preempting all state predatory lending laws, thereby rendering them inoperative. The OCC also promulgated new rules that prevented states from enforcing any of their own consumer protection laws against national banks. The federal government's actions were so egregious and so unprecedented that all 50 state attorneys general, and all 50 state banking superintendents, actively fought the new rules.

But the unanimous opposition of the 50 states did not deter, or even slow, the Bush administration in its goal of protecting the banks. In fact, when my office opened an investigation of possible discrimination in mortgage lending by a number of banks, the OCC filed a federal lawsuit to stop the investigation.

[local400future]

The strong movement towards Socialism that the top Dems and top Repubs are trying to force upon us.

 

Look, I am not advocating that we become a pure socialist country, but clearly our capitalist system is not working. We need to find a middle ground and maintain it as best as possible. This country has gone too far to the right and look what that has done for us.

[local400future]

So the fairness that everyone should own a home(even if they can't afford it) which lead to this mess is the way to go?

 

No, that is not what I mean. Everyone should contribute to society. Granted, under the what is typically considered democratic doctrine, there are some miscreants that will benefit fromt the system. Regardless of who is running the system, there will always be someone who learns how to play it.

 

Like I said in the previous post, we need to find middle ground.

[fmccap]

Look, I am not advocating that we become a pure socialist country, but clearly our capitalist system is not working. We need to find a middle ground and maintain it as best as possible. This country has gone too far to the right and look what that has done for us.

We don't have a true capitalist system.

[local400future]

Socialism has many interpretations but it all comes to this. Is to take from the wealthy and give to the poor or tax the worker and give that to welfare programs. And if your o.k. with that thats fine. And if you don't believe that life begins at conception thats fine to. But I don't believe that way. I know you don't want God have nothing to do with any thing. And thats you not me. And you said it yourself all you do care about is your paycheck. I don't judge you speak for yourself.

 

I didn't give an interpretation, I gave the definition. It doesn't mean I fully support it either, but under our capitalist system, the wealthy kept taking from everyone and now the wealthy are out of money because the middle and the poor have nothing left. In order for the wealthy to stay wealthy, everyone beneath them needs money to spend, the wealthy just got too greedy.

 

"So yeah, I do care and worry about how it affects my paycheck, along with everybody elses."

 

The implication in that statement is that when everyone benefits, I benefit also. Of course as a republican, you only hear what you want to hear.

[local400future]

We don't have a true capitalist system.

 

We don't have a true any system. We have people who advocate capitalism and people who advocate socialism while the best system, imo, is a combination of both.

[99ktpbirdman]

I didn't give an interpretation, I gave the definition. It doesn't mean I fully support it either, but under our capitalist system, the wealthy kept taking from everyone and now the wealthy are out of money because the middle and the poor have nothing left. In order for the wealthy to stay wealthy, everyone beneath them needs money to spend, the wealthy just got too greedy.

 

"So yeah, I do care and worry about how it affects my paycheck, along with everybody elses."

 

The implication in that statement is that when everyone benefits, I benefit also. Of course as a republican, you only hear what you want to hear.

The definition of socialism is quite long. But whatever part of the definition you use for your own benefit It makes know difference to me. And yes as you have said before all that matters to you is your paycheck I get that loud and clear. But if you must you can say it again. And forgive me I'm not trying to judge, but you do sound like you have some marxist views. And as an American I listen to both sides And and then I base my conclusion on my feelings and not my paycheck.

[StrangeHighways]

All I can say is I'm going to vote for someone that wants to drill for oil.That will lower gas prices and get our truck and SUV plants running again.I dont want to hear the same bullshit about taking 10 years to get oil.Did you know it only took 3 years to build 800 mile Alaska pipeline? Did you know its only 74miles from ANWR to Prudhoe bay where the pipeline starts? If we can build 800miles of pipeline and the oil rig that sits there in just 3 years,I dont see how it could take 10 years to only go 74 miles.Thats just more tree hugger bull.

[disabled]

All I can say is I'm going to vote for someone that wants to drill for oil.That will lower gas prices and get our truck and SUV plants running again.I dont want to hear the same bullshit about taking 10 years to get oil.Did you know it only took 3 years to build 800 mile Alaska pipeline? Did you know its only 74miles from ANWR to Prudhoe bay where the pipeline starts? If we can build 800miles of pipeline and the oil rig that sits there in just 3 years,I dont see how it could take 10 years to only go 74 miles.Thats just more tree hugger bull.

I hate to say it but the era of the old Suv and Truck market is gone. Trucks and SUV"S will still be bought by sportsman, farmers and construction companies but the average guy or gal that got one cause they were neat is gone. As for lowering gas prices you can see even when gas went back it made little difference. I agree with you we have got to stop funding these programs that support people who do little for the economy. I just went grocery shopping and pulled next to a brand new lexus that was doing the same. I went in and shopped I got to the grocery counter and was behind the person I had pulled next to and talked to as we went in. She bought $250 worth of the best steaks, beef roasts, all kinds of snack foods etc. needless to say stuff I cannot even begin to afford. She pulled out a LINKS card which is food stamps in IN. all the whilt telling me about her new car and that she was late for her nail appointment and she stated that she would have to come back because she still had $400+ to spend on the link card. Tell me that there is not something wrong with this entitlement society that some candidates want to keep building.

[local400future]

The definition of socialism is quite long. But whatever part of the definition you use for your own benefit It makes know difference to me. And yes as you have said before all that matters to you is your paycheck I get that loud and clear. But if you must you can say it again. And forgive me I'm not trying to judge, but you do sound like you have some marxist views. And as an American I listen to both sides And and then I base my conclusion on my feelings and not my paycheck.

 

What? I never gave part of the definition, I gave THE definition. Also, how can I be socialist and selfish? Do you even do any research before you argue, or do you seriously believe that your opinion is fact?

 

If everybody is doing well, then by default, I am doing well. That is the entire basis of my arguement. When it comes down to brass tacks, human beings believe in self preservation. Now I personally want to see everyone do well, which includes me, than for just me to do well.

 

Lastly, based on your posts, you don't listen to both sides, you've already made up you mind based on your faith.